MLB Awards: Who wins?

[AdropOFvenom]

Predictions? Here is mine. AL MVP: Jermaine Dye (And All of New York screams of some Anti-Yankee Bias

)NL MVP: Carlos BeltranAL Cy Young: Roy HalladayNL Cy Young: Brandon WebbAL ROY: Jered WeaverNL ROY: Dan UgglaAL Manager: Jim LeylandNL Manager: Willie Randolph

 

[Nebkreb]

i agree with that except Jeter at MVP (and im not accusing you of Anti-yankee-ness, just thats ur opinion.) and i think that Girardi at NL Manager of the Year...the Mets were SUPPOSED to do well...randolph has done well but what Girardi has done in Florida is amazing

 

[Karlos]

As actually agree with the Jermaine Dye pick...

 

[Jon_Vilma]

AL MVP: Derek Jeter. (He just straight deserves it)NL MVP: Albert PujolsAL Cy Young: Chien-Ming WangNL Cy Young: Carlos ZambranoAL ROY: Kenji JohjimaNL ROY: Ryan Zimmerman (by a mile)AL Manager: Depends on PlayoffsNL Manager: Depends on Playoffs

 

[DevinHester23]

AL MVP: PapiNL MVP: Ryan HowardAL Cy Young: Chien-Ming WangNL Cy Young: Big ZAL ROY: LirianoNL ROY: Dan UgglaAL Manager: Whoever wins the AL CentralNL Manager: Joe Girardi

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dan Uggla</div> Why over Zimmerman?

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dan Uggla</div> Why over Zimmerman?</div>Because Uggla has carried the Marlins offense all year pretty much? Zim has had good players like A-Fons and Nick Johnson there too. I don't know though. I wouldn't pick either.AL MVP: Jermaine Dye (

)NL MVP: Ryan HowardAL Cy Young: Johan SantanaNL Cy Young: Brandon WebbAL ROY: Francisco LirianoNL ROY: Josh JohnsonAL Manager: Tiggers guy. Leyland (sp?)NL Manager: Joe Girardi

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AL Cy Young: Chien-Ming Wang</div>Coughbiasedcough.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Sep 4 2006, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AL Cy Young: Chien-Ming Wang</div>Coughbiasedcough.</div>Says the guy who listed Santana and Liriano....

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dan Uggla</div> Why over Zimmerman?</div>Better production, plus at a position not known for Offensive output.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

Zimmerman:.287 BA.353 OBP9 SB18 HR93 RBIUggla: .290 BA.352 OBP6 SB21 HR79 RBI<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 4 2006, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dan Uggla</div> Why over Zimmerman?</div>Better production, plus at a position not known for Offensive output.</div>I beg to differ.

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Sep 4 2006, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AL Cy Young: Chien-Ming Wang</div>Coughbiasedcough.</div>Says the guy who listed Santana and Liriano....</div>Where's Wang on the AL era leaders list? I don't see him sitting there at #1. Jeeze, he's sitting there at #10. ERA is the most important statistic for a pitcher, so that means there are 9 pitchers better than him. The only reason his record is great is because he probably gets 30-35 runs per game in his support. I could probably win 15 games with that Yankee offense. Here's another stat which I think factors in big time.Chien-Ming Wang on the road: 6-3 (thanks Yankees offense), 4.88 era.To win the Cy Young you have to at least pitch reliable on the road. I wouldn't consider an era not much under 5 reliable, and definitely not Cy Young worth.Johan has the same record as Wang, and an era 0.67 runs lower. Not to mention Johan has 143 more strikeouts. Sure, you can say Wang isn't a strikeout pitcher.. more of a control guy? Well Johan has 9 less walks in 8 more innings.

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Uggla: .290 BA.352 OBP6 SB21 HR79 RBI</div>Uggla now has a .291 ba, with 22 HR and 81 RBI. And Uggla has a better slugging percentage by 23 points.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

[quote name='Brooksie5' post='67881' date='Sep 4 2006, 09:50 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='67878' date='Sep 4 2006, 11:43 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='67877' date='Sep 4 2006, 09:40 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='67842' date='Sep 4 2006, 08:11 PM']AL Cy Young: Chien-Ming Wang[/quote]Coughbiasedcough.[/quote]Says the guy who listed Santana and Liriano....[/quote]Where's Wang on the AL era leaders list? I don't see him sitting there at #1. Jeeze, he's sitting there at #10. ERA is the most important statistic for a pitcher, so that means there are 9 pitchers better than him. The only reason his record is great is because he probably gets 30-35 runs per game in his support. I could probably win 15 games with that Yankee offense. Here's another stat which I think factors in big time.Chien-Ming Wang on the road: 6-3 (thanks Yankees offense), 4.88 era.To win the Cy Young you have to at least pitch reliable on the road. I wouldn't consider an era not much under 5 reliable, and definitely not Cy Young worth.Johan has the same record as Wang, and an era 0.67 runs lower. Not to mention Johan has 143 more strikeouts. Sure, you can say Wang isn't a strikeout pitcher.. more of a control guy? Well Johan has 9 less walks in 8 more innings.[/quote]Of the pitchers tied among wins, only Halladay has a better ERA.And Wang has the same number of Runs Allowed per start.

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Zimmerman:.287 BA.353 OBP9 SB18 HR93 RBIUggla: .290 BA.352 OBP6 SB21 HR79 RBII beg to differ.</div>Uggla - .291 / .353 / .499 / .852Zimmerman - .286 / .352 / .476 / .828Uggla - 94 R / 24 2B / 7 3B / 22 HR / 81 RBI / 6 SB Zimmerman - 70 R / 40 2B / 2 3B / 18 HR / 93 RBI / 9 SBUggla - .981 Fielding %Zimmerman - .969 Fielding %You can beg to differ all you want, but as I see it Uggla should be the better choice.....now granted, all the Florida rookies will likely split vote and someone like Zimmerman will probably end up winning it, but that doesnt make Zimmerman the best choice.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 4 2006, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Zimmerman:.287 BA.353 OBP9 SB18 HR93 RBIUggla: .290 BA.352 OBP6 SB21 HR79 RBII beg to differ.</div>Uggla - .291 / .353 / .499 / .852Zimmerman - .286 / .352 / .476 / .828Uggla - 94 R / 24 2B / 7 3B / 22 HR / 81 RBI / 6 SB Zimmerman - 70 R / 40 2B / 2 3B / 18 HR / 93 RBI / 9 SBUggla - .981 Fielding %Zimmerman - .969 Fielding %You can beg to differ all you want, but as I see it Uggla should be the better choice.....now granted, all the Florida rookies will likely split vote and someone like Zimmerman will probably end up winning it, but that doesnt make Zimmerman the best choice.</div>ESPN has Zimmerman with a better OBP, I'll trust them on that.

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

AL MVP: Jermaine DyeNL MVP: Albert PujolsAL Cy Young: Johan SantanaNL Cy Young: Chris CarpenterAL ROY: Justin VerlanderNL ROY: Dan UgglaAL Manager: Jim LeylandNL Manager: Joe Girardi

 

[Brooksie5]

[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='67886' date='Sep 5 2006, 12:19 AM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='67881' date='Sep 4 2006, 09:50 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='67878' date='Sep 4 2006, 11:43 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='67877' date='Sep 4 2006, 09:40 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='67842' date='Sep 4 2006, 08:11 PM']AL Cy Young: Chien-Ming Wang[/quote]Coughbiasedcough.[/quote]Says the guy who listed Santana and Liriano....[/quote]Where's Wang on the AL era leaders list? I don't see him sitting there at #1. Jeeze, he's sitting there at #10. ERA is the most important statistic for a pitcher, so that means there are 9 pitchers better than him. The only reason his record is great is because he probably gets 30-35 runs per game in his support. I could probably win 15 games with that Yankee offense. Here's another stat which I think factors in big time.Chien-Ming Wang on the road: 6-3 (thanks Yankees offense), 4.88 era.To win the Cy Young you have to at least pitch reliable on the road. I wouldn't consider an era not much under 5 reliable, and definitely not Cy Young worth.Johan has the same record as Wang, and an era 0.67 runs lower. Not to mention Johan has 143 more strikeouts. Sure, you can say Wang isn't a strikeout pitcher.. more of a control guy? Well Johan has 9 less walks in 8 more innings.[/quote]Of the pitchers tied among wins, only Halladay has a better ERA.And Wang has the same number of Runs Allowed per start.[/quote]Well considering Johan has the exact same record as Wang, and Johan has a better ERA... that makes 2 pitchers with a better era than him (with the same amount of wins).

 

[FSUViking]

<span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">Johan Santana is either #1 or #2 in the following categories:WinsERAStrikeoutsWHIPWalks/K's per 9Opponents Batting AverageNo other pitcher in BASEBALL can boast that. His name is already being engraved kids.</span></span></span>

 

[chang]

As much as I want Chien-Ming Wang to win, he won't.As someone stated, ERA is pretty important and if it's only a 1 or 2 win difference, ERA & SOs determine the tiebreaker and Wang has no shot at competing with Santana and/or Halladay there. If Wang ends up with the most wins, he'll be hard to overlook but if Halladay and Santana continue on the same pace, Wang finishes 3rd.I personally think Alfonso Soriano should win the NL MVP. Especially if he hits 40-40. And definately if he hits 50-45. Howard is just as deserving though. I would take Travis Hafner for the AL. Not sold on Dye being this great MVP candidate, having a good year but the White Sox are loaded, same goes for Big Papi.AL Rookie I would have to go with Nick Markakis, 2nd half of the season, he lit up the league and led the 2nd half AVG for quite awhile. Liriano was injured way too long to win it. NL Rookie, Dan Uggla with Zimmerman a vote behind him.AL Cy Young, Johan Santana. NL, Chris CarpenterAL Manager, Leyland, did an amazing job with the Tigers. NL Manager, Joe Girardi, taking a young and cheap team to being in a wild card race is a helluva job.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 5 2006, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As much as I want Chien-Ming Wang to win, he won't.As someone stated, ERA is pretty important and if it's only a 1 or 2 win difference, ERA & SOs determine the tiebreaker and Wang has no shot at competing with Santana and/or Halladay there. If Wang ends up with the most wins, he'll be hard to overlook but if Halladay and Santana continue on the same pace, Wang finishes 3rd.</div>Wang isn't a K pitcher, he's a ground-ball pitcher. People need to understand that it's a different type, but not a worse pitcher by any means. There is a reason Johan Santana has given up Twice as many Home Runs as Wang. Because while Wang doesn't get the K's, he doesn't give up the big hit's either. A cold-ball grounder to 2nd is just as good as a K usually.And when I said the Wins-ERA thing above, ESPN hadn't listed Santana as a 16 game winner yet.In Reality, Santana is the winner, but I hate that Wang is discounted just because he's not a flame-thrower, he's a coldstone thrower.

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rex Grossman 8 @ Sep 5 2006, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AL MVP: Jermaine DyeNL MVP: Albert PujolsAL Cy Young: Johan SantanaNL Cy Young: Chris CarpenterAL ROY: Justin VerlanderNL ROY: Dan UgglaAL Manager: Jim LeylandNL Manager: Joe Girardi</div>OMG!!!! He picked Leyland over his guy Ozzie

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 4 2006, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ESPN has Zimmerman with a better OBP, I'll trust them on that.</div>Im too lazy to look it up, but even if it is slightly different does it really matter if the difference is only .002 or something? :whistling:

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ Sep 6 2006, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rex Grossman 8 @ Sep 5 2006, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AL MVP: Jermaine DyeNL MVP: Albert PujolsAL Cy Young: Johan SantanaNL Cy Young: Chris CarpenterAL ROY: Justin VerlanderNL ROY: Dan UgglaAL Manager: Jim LeylandNL Manager: Joe Girardi</div>OMG!!!! He picked Leyland over his guy Ozzie

</div>Yup. Amazing isn't it?

 

[FSUViking]

<span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">They put some of Santana's stats up last night during Baseball Tonight and SportsCenter (season and career), and wow........</span></span></span> :beerbang2:

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rex Grossman 8 @ Sep 6 2006, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ Sep 6 2006, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rex Grossman 8 @ Sep 5 2006, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AL MVP: Jermaine DyeNL MVP: Albert PujolsAL Cy Young: Johan SantanaNL Cy Young: Chris CarpenterAL ROY: Justin VerlanderNL ROY: Dan UgglaAL Manager: Jim LeylandNL Manager: Joe Girardi</div>OMG!!!! He picked Leyland over his guy Ozzie

</div>Yup. Amazing isn't it?

</div>I got a heart attack when I read that.