MONCADA TO THE RED SOX

[yankeesince59]

Get over YOURSELF with your convalescing little snide insulting comments.
You're beginning to act some little impatient dictator who stamps his feet and and shakes his head when he has a problem with people trying to explain their reasoning when it doesn't quite jibe with your expert, never wrong viewpoint.

..."convalescing" ?....huh?

 

[yankeesince59]

Okay....I said "300 mil"..... take me out to the woodshed and give me a sound thrashing.....in the meantime, by not signing Max and/or Lester that saves ABOUT 20 mil, Prado's 11mil is gone, they saved 5 mil over the contract of Miller over Drob (plus a draft pick after the 1st round), McCarthy no 12,5 mil, Ervin Santana no 13.5 mil, maybe a deal for Howie Kendrick no 9.8 mil, the great Masterson? No 9.5 mil there, Nelson Cruz? lol.forget his 14.2 mil, Shields? No 10 mil there, your boy Jed Lowrie? No 8 mil here...lol.....Asdrubal Cabrera no 7.5 mil.....



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...lol...more approximations?...actually the way DRob's contract is structured, the Yanx would have saved only $1 Mil not $5 Mil this year over what Miller cost...furthermore, the "draft pick" reference is not even worth mentioning because the Yanx also get a draft pick from Detroit who signed DRob. .

...and it's silly to suggest that the Yanx would have signed ALL of the players you mentioned. (4-5 pitchers & 3 position players and 1 DH).

 

[blgridesagain]

...lol...more approximations?...actually the way DRob's contract is structured, the Yanx would have saved only $1 Mil not $5 Mil this year over what Miller cost...furthermore, the "draft pick" reference is not even worth mentioning because the Yanx also get a draft pick from Detroit who signed DRob. .

...and it's silly to suggest that the Yanx would have signed ALL of the players you mentioned. (4-5 pitchers & 3 position players and 1 DH).

They saved 5 mil over the course of Miller's contract who may I add was more dominant and effective than Drob and I didn't expect them to sign ALL of the big ticket free agent pitchers, but I'm sure there were plenty who wanted them to sign Max OR Lester AND McCarthy......Ervin Santana was also on some posters' radar screen.

Point was....yes I did exaggerate of course.....but the point was/is the Yanks are really trying to hold the line on the payroll while they play the wait and see game concerning a few of their own very highly paid players.
I think it is a sensible disciplined "plan" and I think they're showing some balls with the SP by going with Warren, Eovoldi possibly Severino later on and waiting on Nova.

No doubt the kid Eovoldi got knocked around last year.....there's also no doubt it wasn't long ago when he was highly touted and he does have a good live arm.

I know this will make you laugh, but if just Eovoldi and Gregorious are early pleasant surprises, the Yanks will already be ahead of "schedule".

Okay, go ahead and laugh at me.....its all good. lo!

 

[yankeesince59]

...sigh.

 

[Rick2583]

And so on & so on & so on.

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^if the Yanx are truly trying to "hold the line on payroll", why didn't they keep Prado instead of signing Headley?...Prado's contract is more friendly. He points to the Yanx "saving $5 Mil" (actually only $1 mil this year) on Miller over DRob...but discounts the fact that the Yanx turned around and spent $52 Mil ($13 Mill x 4 years) on Headley instead of keeping Prado for $22 Mil ($11 Mil x 2 years)...and Prado is more versatile defensively and better offensively.

...is this the "new math"?

 

[blgridesagain]

^^^if the Yanx are truly trying to "hold the line on payroll", why didn't they keep Prado instead of signing Headley?...Prado's contract is more friendly. He points to the Yanx "saving $5 Mil" (actually only $1 mil this year) on Miller over DRob...but discounts the fact that the Yanx turned around and spent $52 Mil ($13 Mill x 4 years) on Headley instead of keeping Prado for $22 Mil ($11 Mil x 2 years)...and Prado is more versatile defensively and better offensively.

...is this the "new math"?

They received Eovoldi, Garrett Jones (see help in 1b, DH production) and young pitcher Domingo German who done very well so far in his short ML experience.

My gosh, you must really despise me. Jeez.... lol

 

[Messiah717]

How about someone talk about this teams non existent bench and complete lack of depth? Injuries will likely come as they always do and then it will be another parade of mediocrity gracing the roster.

 

[Rick2583]

They received Eovoldi, Garrett Jones (see help in 1b, DH production) and young pitcher Domingo German who done very well so far in his short ML experience.

My gosh, you must really despise me. Jeez.... lol

When did he have ML experience?

 

[Rick2583]

How about someone talk about this teams non existent bench and complete lack of depth? Injuries will likely come as they always do and then it will be another parade of mediocrity gracing the roster.

The way I see it now Vic as far as bench players, Garrett Jones, John Murphy, Chris Young & the powerful hard hitting Brendan Ryan.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Just glad he didn't go to the dodgers

The giants have a sneaky large payroll, I think they are at around 170ish, 4th in baseball behind the dodgers, Yankees, and red Sox. And they aren't predicted to be great either (despite the continued WS titles, I think they won like 88 games last year) and they got worse IMO. I would compare the giants more to the Yankees in that regard.

Giants have some Money coming off the books after this season (Timmy 17+, I think around 40 total), but the gulf between them and the top 3 spenders is real, there was no talk about moncada, in fact a deflating "hes too rich for our blood" quote from sabean, before the bidding even started! Its depressing but the dodgers are just in a whole another world financially. The ability and willingness to go over the luxury tax is a serious advantage when you get down to the big ticket guys.

 

[Rick2583]

Just glad he didn't go to the dodgers

The giants have a sneaky large payroll, I think they are at around 170ish, 4th in baseball behind the dodgers, Yankees, and red Sox. And they aren't predicted to be great either (despite the continued WS titles, I think they won like 88 games last year) and they got worse IMO. I would compare the giants more to the Yankees in that regard.

Giants have some Money coming off the books after this season (Timmy 17+, I think around 40 total), but the gulf between them and the top 3 spenders is real, there was no talk about moncada, in fact a deflating "hes too rich for our blood" quote from sabean, before the bidding even started! Its depressing but the dodgers are just in a whole another world financially. The ability and willingness to go over the luxury tax is a serious advantage when you get down to the big ticket guys.

Whether they got worse or not remains to be seen. I mean much like the Yankees there's a lot of IF'S, Cain coming back strong, A full season of Belt who was hot before his early season injury, Hopefully a healthy Pagan (who missed most of last season) back at the top of the lineup, and perhaps the reconciliation of Lincecum with his dad (who taught him how to pitch) will improve his game. And hopefully McGhee could be a nice replacement for Sandoval.

 

[blgridesagain]

When did he have ML experience?

My bad, excuse me - but its not all that bad.
German was one of the Marlins top young pitching prospects.
He'll turn 23 in August, in his minor league career, he has a 2.33 ERA and 1.15 WHIP.
Last year he made 25 starts/ 123 IP with a 2.48 ERA and 1.14 WHIP.

He came along in the Eovoldi trade and I think its safe to say he adds more "good" young pitching depth. My mistake for saying he had MLB service but I wouldn't be surprised to see him up here unfortunately if injuries hit the SP.

 

[Rick2583]

My bad, excuse me - but its not all that bad.
German was one of the Marlins top young pitching prospects.
He'll turn 23 in August, in his minor league career, he has a 2.33 ERA and 1.15 WHIP.
Last year he made 25 starts/ 123 IP with a 2.48 ERA and 1.14 WHIP.

He came along in the Eovoldi trade and I think its safe to say he adds more "good" young pitching depth. My mistake for saying he had MLB service but I wouldn't be surprised to see him up here unfortunately if injuries hit the SP.

Its all good, just thought I was missing something.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

They saved 5 mil over the course of Miller's contract who may I add was more dominant and effective than Drob and I didn't expect them to sign ALL of the big ticket free agent pitchers, but I'm sure there were plenty who wanted them to sign Max OR Lester AND McCarthy......Ervin Santana was also on some posters' radar screen.

Point was....yes I did exaggerate of course.....but the point was/is the Yanks are really trying to hold the line on the payroll while they play the wait and see game concerning a few of their own very highly paid players.
I think it is a sensible disciplined "plan" and I think they're showing some balls with the SP by going with Warren, Eovoldi possibly Severino later on and waiting on Nova.

No doubt the kid Eovoldi got knocked around last year.....there's also no doubt it wasn't long ago when he was highly touted and he does have a good live arm.

I know this will make you laugh, but if just Eovoldi and Gregorious are early pleasant surprises, the Yanks will already be ahead of "schedule".

Okay, go ahead and laugh at me.....its all good. lo!

Ervin Santana, you sure you don't have your Santana's crossed, b/t Johan or Carlos, certainly NOT Ervin....

Living in So. Cal, and getting all Home and Away Halos/Bums games, when Ervin first began his career, in 05, he caught my attention, but Ervin couldn't do much to retain any fans attention let alone Team(s) plural. I'd venture to say, plenty of Teams were desperate for anyone who could throw a strike, on occasion or eat up innings, while allowing more runs, hits, walks than the average bear. Ervin fit that bill only....

On the flip side,

Santana's career, as illustrious as it has NOT been.

119 Wins - 100 Losses, His 4.17 ERA, nothing less than Stellar, 1,882.2 IP, with 1827 Hits, 937 Runs, 245 HR's, 589 Walks, with another stellar 1.283 WHIP.....you gotta' be kidding me....!!! Ask Scioscia what he thinks, or why did he let Ervin go, since Santana is such a stellar SP....?


Ervin is proof, Teams are downright desperate for Pitchers of Mediocrity. These Teams think Ervin can eat up innings, or finish a CG, yet, its actually quit the opposite. Santana is a misfit, cast out of one org after another. If one considers the Twinkies multi-year Contract a bargain, those few are fooling themselves. NTM-Santana has shown to be consistent in one area alone, ie, Unable to win the big game(s). Let alone survive on the mound for more than 5 innings of Big Must Win Games.....

If one is going to even mention Ervin Santana, then at least hi-jack the thread to a real class act Santana:

One Paul Reed Smith guitar owned by the great Carlos, is worth more in hand than a dozen Ervin's on a mound...

 

[yankeesince59]

They received Eovoldi, Garrett Jones (see help in 1b, DH production) and young pitcher Domingo German who done very well so far in his short ML experience.

My gosh, you must really despise me. Jeez.... lol

...to use your woefully misguided term, are you being "convalescing"?...lmao

...and "despise you"?...I don't even know you...wow, just wow.

...I didn't mention the players you referenced because they are fringe players or prospects...I also didn't mention the Yanks trading away Phelps but evidently that escaped you as well.

...and instead of blindly building up players to support your agenda, try educating yourself first on their actual value and experience.

 

[blgridesagain]

Its all good, just thought I was missing something.

Oh Rick, by the way regarding German, you may recall when the Yanks made that trade highlighted by Eovoldi, many/most of the baseball media outlets didn't even mention the inclusion of German also being acquired in that trade which had many of us scratching our heads after looking over both his "numbers" and age.

Not farfetched to think of this kid as a possible "sleeper" in that trade.
Certainly has done very well last year as a SP (25 minor league starts) under his belt with over 120 IP - 2.48 ERA, 1.14 WHIP

 

[Mattingly23NY]

They saved 5 mil over the course of Miller's contract who may I add was more dominant and effective than Drob and I didn't expect them to sign ALL of the big ticket free agent pitchers, but I'm sure there were plenty who wanted them to sign Max OR Lester AND McCarthy......Ervin Santana was also on some posters' radar screen.

Point was....yes I did exaggerate of course.....but the point was/is the Yanks are really trying to hold the line on the payroll while they play the wait and see game concerning a few of their own very highly paid players.
I think it is a sensible disciplined "plan" and I think they're showing some balls with the SP by going with Warren, Eovoldi possibly Severino later on and waiting on Nova.

No doubt the kid Eovoldi got knocked around last year.....there's also no doubt it wasn't long ago when he was highly touted and he does have a good live arm.

I know this will make you laugh, but if just Eovoldi and Gregorious are early pleasant surprises, the Yanks will already be ahead of "schedule".

Okay, go ahead and laugh at me.....its all good. lo!

And I thought I was the only one who rambled on.....but.....at least I told a story.....this (noted above & quoted, is just pure childish gibberish)........

The Nightmare is over, you can put your sword back in its sheath, and your cap-gun, back in yer little holster....and.......unplug the Key Board...! Hell, just turn off the PC....!

 

[blgridesagain]

And I thought I was the only one who rambled on.....but.....at least I told a story.....this (noted above & quoted, is just pure childish gibberish)........

The Nightmare is over, you can put your sword back in its sheath, and your cap-gun, back in yer little holster....and.......unplug the Key Board...! Hell, just turn off the PC....!

And I thought I was the only one who rambled on.....but.....at least I told a story.....this (noted above & quoted, is just pure childish gibberish)........

The Nightmare is over, you can put your sword back in its sheath, and your cap-gun, back in yer little holster....and.......unplug the Key Board...! Hell, just turn off the PC....!

0ff.

"This is just pure childish gibberish". ?

They saved 5 mil over the course of Miller's contract who may I add was more dominant and effective than Drob and I didn't expect them to sign ALL of the big ticket free agent pitchers, but I'm sure there were plenty who wanted them to sign Max OR Lester AND McCarthy......Ervin Santana was also on some posters' radar screen.

Point was....yes I did exaggerate of course.....but the point was/is the Yanks are really trying to hold the line on the payroll while they play the wait and see game concerning a few hugely paid players of their own.

I think it is a sensible disciplined "plan" and I think they're showing some balls with the SP by going with Warren, Eovoldi possibly Severino later on and waiting on Nova.

No doubt the kid Eovoldi got knocked around last year.....there's also no doubt it wasn't long ago when he was highly touted and he does have a good live arm.

I know this will make you laugh, but if just Eovoldi and Gregorious are early pleasant surprises, the Yanks will already be ahead of "schedule".

 

[blgridesagain]

...to use your woefully misguided term, are you being "convalescing"?...lmao

...and "despise you"?...I don't even know you...wow, just wow.

...I didn't mention the players you referenced because they are fringe players or prospects...I also didn't mention the Yanks trading away Phelps but evidently that escaped you as well.

...and instead of blindly building up players to support your agenda, try educating yourself first on their actual value and experience.

lol, my "agenda". WThey saved 5 mil over the course of Miller's contract who may I add was more dominant and effective than Drob and I didn't expect them to sign ALL of the big ticket free agent pitchers, but I'm sure there were plenty who wanted them to sign Max OR Lester AND McCarthy......Ervin Santana was also on some posters' radar screen.

Point was....yes I did exaggerate of course.....but the point was/is the Yanks are really trying to hold the line on the payroll while they play the wait and see game concerning a few of their own very highly paid players.
I think it is a sensible disciplined "plan" and I think they're showing some balls with the SP by going with Warren, Eovoldi possibly Severino later on and waiting on Nova.

No doubt the kid Eovoldi got knocked around last year.....there's also no doubt it wasn't long ago when he was highly touted and he does have a good live arm.

I know this will make you laugh, but if just Eovoldi and Gregorious are early pleasant surprises, the Yanks will already be ahead of "schedule".

hatever it is, it sure beats waving the white flag before the season/SF

^^^^^

...just take a look at the players from last year who are no longer with the team and then look at the players that were added this off-season.

Gone; Jeter, Kuroda, Prado, Greene, Phelps, DRob, Cervelli, McCarthy, et al. ====New; Jones, Gregorius, ARod, Miller, Wilson, Eovaldi




...yeah, I've got a nice warm and fuzzy feeling about this year....and I think before the year is over we're gonna miss Greene, Prado, and Cervelli.

Phelps, lol, Cercelli's DL partner.
And your man Tiger Woods is more well done than Arod.
My "agenda", lol......it sure beats waving the white flag before the season begins.....
but then again I'm not quite as sophisticated and not running with the herd.

 

[yankeesince59]

...wow, desperately dredging up 5 day old posts of mine, and then irrelevantly bringing up Tiger Woods just to bump this thread?

 

[totus44]

...wow, desperately dredging up 5 day old posts of mine, and then irrelevantly bringing up Tiger Woods just to bump this thread?

Meh. If we all picked 90 wins he'd be on another number just to avoid being in the herd. And frankly I don't see 80 wins as waving a white flag. I hope they win more, but would not be surprised if the win less. Heck, we have no idea about team leadership or chemistry at this point in time.

The season will start soon enough, plenty to debate then.

 

[Rick2583]

Meh. If we all picked 90 wins he'd be on another number just to avoid being in the herd. And frankly I don't see 80 wins as waving a white flag. I hope they win more, but would not be surprised if the win less. Heck, we have no idea about team leadership or chemistry at this point in time.

The season will start soon enough, plenty to debate then.

Well put young fella. Let the games begin.

 

[yankeesince59]

...tote, the one singular thing that he cannot grasp is that I'm a die hard fan, always have been, and I'm certainly not "waving the white flag"

...but that does not/should not imply that I'm homerishly blind to what I've witnessed lately and what I foresee for this season.

...it's not like I'll stop watching the games if they're mediocre again this year and I really do hope they win 90+ games...but I simply don't see anywhere near as many things to be optimistic about as he does.


...if that makes me some sort a bad fan, well, I guess I am.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...tote, the one singular thing that he cannot grasp is that I'm a die hard fan, always have been, and I'm certainly not "waving the white flag"

...but that does not/should not imply that I'm homerishly blind to what I've witnessed lately and what I foresee for this season.

...it's not like I'll stop watching the games if they're mediocre again this year and I really do hope they win 90+ games...but I simply don't see anywhere near as many things to be optimistic about as he does.


...if that makes me some sort a bad fan, well, I guess I am.

Nah, your not a "Homer" or a "bad fan", your a realist....., and like most 'die-hard Yankee Fans,' hoping for the best, while simply stating the obvious.....

Keep in mind, "there's one in every crowd".....(1 who lacks for attention, tends to shit on our parade).....we've come to a consensus, I'd say.....we all know who that One is: (see below)-

 

[blgridesagain]

Meh. If we all picked 90 wins he'd be on another number just to avoid being in the herd. And frankly I don't see 80 wins as waving a white flag. I hope they win more, but would not be surprised if the win less. Heck, we have no idea about team leadership or chemistry at this point in time.

The season will start soon enough, plenty to debate then.

I respect your opinion, if you wouldn't be surprised if they won 79 or less games that's fine with me.
As for team "chemistry" as in good chemistry, it usually begins (IMO) to show itself around June with teams who feel they're never out of a game because they can score runs and have good enough pitching to keep them in games and a bullpen which can lock down the last couple of innings.

The three biggest reasons (IMHO) which demoralize a team, thus bad "chemistry" are:
A team which knows it usually has a hard time scoring more than 2-3 runs a game.
A SP staff which puts the team behind by a few runs by the 5th inn.
A bullpen which blows games after the team rallies for a lead.


But of course we already knew that.
And as far as a possible Arod circus, if he happens to make the team...unless He's picking fights with members of the team - as long as he (and the rest of the players) continue to play hard and hustle, there should be no big issues......remember the Bronx Zoo teams of the late 70s.

Winning creates GOOD CHEMISTRY , not prayers at the dinner table. lol

 

[Rick2583]

Sadly the circus has already begun with A-Rod in the news & papers every damn day which IMO can only destroy team chemistry. No team should ever be all about one guy.

 

[yankeesince59]

...hate to say it, but since Jeter left, ARod is now "the face of the Yankees".

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...hate to say it, but since Jeter left, ARod is now "the face of the Yankees".

Would it be safe to say, Alex is the face of the Yankees now, with Jeter gone, and also the ass of the Yanx and/or MLB?

 

[totus44]

...hate to say it, but since Jeter left, ARod is now "the face of the Yankees".

And that may have a lot more to do with the absence of star FA's.....