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...I wonder who they are? ...this is from Sports Illustrated;


Suppressing performance-enhancing drug use:

"Performance-enhancing drugs are always going to be a part of every sport. It’s just human nature that someone is going to seek that edge, despite the risks involved, because there will always be someone for whom the potential rewards far out-strip the potential penalties. Think of Bartolo Colon in his comeback attempt, a player in his late 30s with no Hall of Fame hopes who had been out of the game completely in 2010.

That doesn’t mean that MLB should stop doing whatever it can to minimize the use of PEDs in the game. Manfred has a strong track record in this regard, having worked closely with Selig in bringing baseball from having no PED policy just over a decade ago to having one of the strongest in professional sports today. However, Manfred was also closely involved in some of MLB's questionable tactics in its Biogenesis investigation, such as paying for evidence and cooperation from potentially unreliable sources. Manfred has to be careful to maintain (or, in the eyes of some, restore) the integrity of MLB and his office in such investigations while continuing to root out cheaters.

In the near term, the Drug Enforcement Administration in its investigation of Biogenesis has reportedly turned up the names of additional major league players who were clients of Anthony Bosch and Biogenesis. MLB has requested those names from the DEA and will surely seek to issue suspensions to the players found to have violated the league’s drug policy. Those suspensions could prove to be one of Selig’s final acts as commissioner. If not, they could be one of Manfred’s first. "


http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/08/15/ro...llenges-bud-selig?xid=aol_home&ncid=webmail22
 
If it happens PLEASE let Ortiz's name be one of them.
 
There you go, talking about the closet again.
 
Ortiz would just claim all the donuts he has been eating for years contained a banned substance.
 
...I wonder who they are? ...this is from Sports Illustrated;


Suppressing performance-enhancing drug use:

"Performance-enhancing drugs are always going to be a part of every sport. It’s just human nature that someone is going to seek that edge, despite the risks involved, because there will always be someone for whom the potential rewards far out-strip the potential penalties. Think of Bartolo Colon in his comeback attempt, a player in his late 30s with no Hall of Fame hopes who had been out of the game completely in 2010.

That doesn’t mean that MLB should stop doing whatever it can to minimize the use of PEDs in the game. Manfred has a strong track record in this regard, having worked closely with Selig in bringing baseball from having no PED policy just over a decade ago to having one of the strongest in professional sports today. However, Manfred was also closely involved in some of MLB's questionable tactics in its Biogenesis investigation, such as paying for evidence and cooperation from potentially unreliable sources. Manfred has to be careful to maintain (or, in the eyes of some, restore) the integrity of MLB and his office in such investigations while continuing to root out cheaters.

In the near term, the Drug Enforcement Administration in its investigation of Biogenesis has reportedly turned up the names of additional major league players who were clients of Anthony Bosch and Biogenesis. MLB has requested those names from the DEA and will surely seek to issue suspensions to the players found to have violated the league’s drug policy. Those suspensions could prove to be one of Selig’s final acts as commissioner. If not, they could be one of Manfred’s first. "


http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/08/15/ro...llenges-bud-selig?xid=aol_home&ncid=webmail22

Thanks for the article, .... :tiphat:

Why didn't Rick post this? #1-He was busy cleaning his toe jams? #2- he was busy resetting his sun-dial? #3- he was busy looking at porn of J-Lo?


The local Stro's farm club, is putting together some talent. Saw a Stro's A+ team play Thurs. Night, a shutout of the M's farm club, while the Stro's Velasario got 9Ks in 6IP, throwing strong at 96, by the 3rd he was flaming at 98-99. Allowed but 2 hits, NO runs, 1 Walk, 1 HBP. that was it, 2 baserunners. While the Stro's had 19 hits and 12 runs......I still think the Stro's are gonna' go a long way in a few years to come......

Ah f'k 'em they're NOT the Bronx Bombers......!!!
 
Thanks for the article, .... :tiphat:

Why didn't Rick post this? #1-He was busy cleaning his toe jams? #2- he was busy resetting his sun-dial? #3- he was busy looking at porn of J-Lo?


The local Stro's farm club, is putting together some talent. Saw a Stro's A+ team play Thurs. Night, a shutout of the M's farm club, while the Stro's Velasario got 9Ks in 6IP, throwing strong at 96, by the 3rd he was flaming at 98-99. Allowed but 2 hits, NO runs, 1 Walk, 1 HBP. that was it, 2 baserunners. While the Stro's had 19 hits and 12 runs......I still think the Stro's are gonna' go a long way in a few years to come......

Ah f'k 'em they're NOT the Bronx Bombers......!!!

#1 I have webbed feet
#2 I can't tell time
#3 I wish.
 
If it happens PLEASE let Ortiz's name be one of them.

Rick, from your lips to the ped gods. I wouldn't even care if that was the only name. Big phony would be perfect that fat lying bag of shit.
 
Rick, from your lips to the ped gods. I wouldn't even care if that was the only name. Big phony would be perfect that fat lying bag of shit.


So I guess the angel Ortiz is proving that you can put up great numbers (28 HRs & 89 RBI) as you get older so lets open up the hall doors for Barry Bonds.
 
I say these are Selig's legacy. Don't push this off until Manfred takes over....he should be tasked with rebuilding image and MLB brand. Let Bud take the last of the dirt with him.
 
So I guess the angel Ortiz is proving that you can put up great numbers (28 HRs & 89 RBI) as you get older so lets open up the hall doors for Barry Bonds.

Bonds was a hall of famer before PEDs. Ortiz can't claim that. I'd also include Clemens in my Bonds comment.
 
Bonds was a hall of famer before PEDs. Ortiz can't claim that. I'd also include Clemens in my Bonds comment.

He may have been, but IMO, the roids negated/canceled any qualifying pre-roid stats... Same with Clemens...
 
If it happens PLEASE let Ortiz's name be one of them.

You read my mind. I hope that SOB is at the top of the list.
If so, why has it taken sooooooooooooo long?
 
He may have been, but IMO, the roids negated/canceled any qualifying pre-roid stats... Same with Clemens...

I hear you Steve but the reasons Totus mentioned is the reason why Bonds & Clemens are getting 30+% of the votes while guys like Sosa, Palmeiro, & McGwire are barely cracking double figures. As a matter of fact I think Palmiero has officially been dropped because he got less then 5% of the vote. It was either him or Sosa, someone needs to confirm.
 
He may have been, but IMO, the roids negated/canceled any qualifying pre-roid stats... Same with Clemens...

You read my mind. I hope that SOB is at the top of the list.
If so, why has it taken sooooooooooooo long?

I hear you Steve but the reasons Totus mentioned is the reason why Bonds & Clemens are getting 30+% of the votes while guys like Sosa, Palmeiro, & McGwire are barely cracking double figures. As a matter of fact I think Palmiero has officially been dropped because he got less then 5% of the vote. It was either him or Sosa, someone needs to confirm.

Amen Hammer, I also agree, a cheat regardless of pre-roid use is still a f'kn cheat, not worthy of the HOF.....

Keep in mind guys- Clemens, Bonds got say 30 percent of a vote, yet each year ALL HOF'rs, get less votes as each year passes. Each year the players percentage of votes drops, they Never Go Up in percentage.....


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Damn it, I forgot to say, A-Roid as well as Shrek should never be considered HOF worthy, other than Balco Barry, as well as The Rocket, regardless of MLB's ban and the law being implemented in 04, after their use, the 1st, 2nd times? Still, a cheat is a cheat or fraud, call a spade a spade.....Hang the Mo-Fo's....!!!

:smiley-hang::smiley-hang::smiley-hang::smiley-hang::smiley-hang::smiley-hang::smiley-hang::smiley-

Bonds, Clemens, Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, A-Roid, Shrek (not worthy of mention here)

:smiley-sprovod::smiley-sprovod::smiley-sprovod::smiley-sprovod::smiley-sprovod::smiley-sprovod::smiley-sprovod:
 
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Which MLB rules did Barry and Roger break as players?
 
Which MLB rules did Barry and Roger break as players?


I do believe it is called PERJURY......punishable by imprisonment. Why are these guys running free.

Of course Balco and Rocket did not perjure themselves in front of Congress like the rest, and how in the hell did those guys get away with perjuring themselves to Congress, and NOT getting Jail time. Had it been you or I, we'd be sitting in Leavenworth......

Balco and Rocket indeed should be punished IMHO.....Regardless of how great they were prior to PED use.
What's the difference, between, engineering a Aircraft system, that becomes the single point failure, and crashing of a said AC? Simply one is under an umbrella, under a Company's shield, a contractual employee agreement. Keeping said employee from conviction. Yet how does one even with out punishment for failure on the job, escape the guilt of those who die in said crash. Are they worthy to proceed?

imagine how I, and many others felt upon the Challenger Disaster? Imagine the tears we felt for the Columbia break up. Not our fault, but damned on the Shuttle program, one took each job, and each Vehicle as if it were our own.

Meeting each STS Mission Crew's prior to Lift Off, it a gut wrenching feeling to see them die to human failure.

I see no difference b/t this analogy, and those who perjure themselves, in fact, I see those perjurer's as more than worthy of hanging...f'kd up my baseball and autograph, incl. my historical paper collection. For that, they must hang.....LMAO...yep, my bb collection spoke, and said- "Rob, you can't give this shit away (cards of Balco and Rocket, et al).....:rotfl:
 
I do believe it is called PERJURY......punishable by imprisonment. Why are these guys running free.

Of course Balco and Rocket did not perjure themselves in front of Congress like the rest, and how in the hell did those guys get away with perjuring themselves to Congress, and NOT getting Jail time. Had it been you or I, we'd be sitting in Leavenworth......

Balco and Rocket indeed should be punished IMHO.....Regardless of how great they were prior to PED use.
What's the difference, between, engineering a Aircraft system, that becomes the single point failure, and crashing of a said AC? Simply one is under an umbrella, under a Company's shield, a contractual employee agreement. Keeping said employee from conviction. Yet how does one even with out punishment for failure on the job, escape the guilt of those who die in said crash. Are they worthy to proceed?

imagine how I, and many others felt upon the Challenger Disaster? Imagine the tears we felt for the Columbia break up. Not our fault, but damned on the Shuttle program, one took each job, and each Vehicle as if it were our own.

Meeting each STS Mission Crew's prior to Lift Off, it a gut wrenching feeling to see them die to human failure.

I see no difference b/t this analogy, and those who perjure themselves, in fact, I see those perjurer's as more than worthy of hanging...f'kd up my baseball and autograph, incl. my historical paper collection. For that, they must hang.....LMAO...yep, my bb collection spoke, and said- "Rob, you can't give this shit away (cards of Balco and Rocket, et al).....:rotfl:


I have the rookie cards of Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Canseco, Sheffield, A-Rod & Ivan Rodriquez, along with several others. 20 years ago there cards were all listed at around $10.00 each. & today would have been worth a lot more. Clemens & Bonds alone would have been worth over $100.00 easy IMO. Instead today you might get a lousy $1.00 for them.
 
I have the rookie cards of Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Canseco, Sheffield, A-Rod & Ivan Rodriquez, along with several others. 20 years ago there cards were all listed at around $10.00 each. & today would have been worth a lot more. Clemens & Bonds alone would have been worth over $100.00 easy IMO. Instead today you might get a lousy $1.00 for them.

at one point 2000. McGwire's RC, Bonds RC, and Clemens RC were all going for $350..........just to name these few......now I seriously cannot give them away. My buddy run's a BB Card Store. He's trying but not succeeding in selling them for but 1 Buck, one smackaroo, one greenback......:lol:
 
at one point 2000. McGwire's RC, Bonds RC, and Clemens RC were all going for $350..........just to name these few......now I seriously cannot give them away. My buddy run's a BB Card Store. He's trying but not succeeding in selling them for but 1 Buck, one smackaroo, one greenback......:lol:

You may want to try & get your hands now on the rookie cards of guys like Trout, Puig & the kid in Chicago Abreu. Also Tanaka, & perhaps the Nats Strausberg. Harper IMHO is very over rated.
 
...I was once assured by someone that Harper would either equal or exceed Trout's stats when he was 20 years old.

...he's not even close.
 
I have the rookie cards of Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Canseco, Sheffield, A-Rod & Ivan Rodriquez, along with several others. 20 years ago there cards were all listed at around $10.00 each. & today would have been worth a lot more. Clemens & Bonds alone would have been worth over $100.00 easy IMO. Instead today you might get a lousy $1.00 for them.

so true, the card boom of the late 80's just flooded the market...they are cheaper than toilet paper (although a little rougher)
 
You may want to try & get your hands now on the rookie cards of guys like Trout, Puig & the kid in Chicago Abreu. Also Tanaka, & perhaps the Nats Strausberg. Harper IMHO is very over rated.

Got 'em, as well as their respective Sets...

yes, the market does tend to flood itself, less "Limited" Sets. I gotta' RC of P.Manning, only 99 printed, a metallic finish, worth 10X his regular RC....!!!
 

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