Moulson and a 1st for Vanek

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It looks the same than if they had kept Moulson, resigned him, then convinced Vanek to come as a UFA, except they would have had the 2 picks.

Long season and the deadline is nowhere near us, but if this is "their move" then the Islanders are a clueless franchise like the Flyers when it comes to ignoring their 1 big need.

Vanek doesn't make them a better contender, a goalie does.
 
Actually it does not. They are better with Vanek over Moulson sh*thead. So they actually get better now, and maybe still can get both this summer. And I am sure they will do other things, if needed, as the season moves on.
 
Love the trade for Buffalo.....

You can debate if its worth getting a likely rental in Vanek for the picks but I dont think anyone can argue Vanek >>>>> Moulson

Moulson has consistently played with Tavares. Vanek has played with centers that are consisently not John Tavares. Moulson wont be as good without Tavares and Vanek could explode.

I am not saying I love the deal for the Isles due to the picks they are giving up but Matt Moulson is not Thomas Vanek. Not even close. Let's see how Moulson does without Tavares. Wont matter though Buffalo will flip him for more picks at deadline
 
Yea, the Sabres did very well there. They can probably trade Moulson for another 1st and a prospect so their haul would be impressive for someone who is an upcoming UFA.

Detroit comes to mind as a team that needs to win soon (a lot of aging players) and isn't strong on LW, so they could be a target for Moulson. You put him with either Datsyuk or Zetterberg and he'll produce.
 
NYR31 said:
Yea, the Sabres did very well there. They can probably trade Moulson for another 1st and a prospect so their haul would be impressive for someone who is an upcoming UFA.

Detroit comes to mind as a team that needs to win soon (a lot of aging players) and isn't strong on LW, so they could be a target for Moulson. You put him with either Datsyuk or Zetterberg and he'll produce.
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Agree....Buffalo is going to end up with 2 #1's and a #2 for a player who has been declining in production and wasnt going to resign with them. Great haul IMO
 
Disturbed said:
Love the trade for Buffalo.....

You can debate if its worth getting a likely rental in Vanek for the picks but I dont think anyone can argue Vanek >>>>> Moulson

Moulson has consistently played with Tavares. Vanek has played with centers that are consisently not John Tavares. Moulson wont be as good without Tavares and Vanek could explode.

I am not saying I love the deal for the Isles due to the picks they are giving up but Matt Moulson is not Thomas Vanek. Not even close. Let's see how Moulson does without Tavares. Wont matter though Buffalo will flip him for more picks at deadline
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Agree 100%. This is what it is all about.
 
Disturbed said:
Agree....Buffalo is going to end up with 2 #1's and a #2 for a player who has been declining in production and wasnt going to resign with them. Great haul IMO
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By the way, how about MDZ+ for Moulson? :)

Kreider - Step - Nash
Moulson - Richards- Cally
Hags - Brass - Puliot
 
31, I agree that the trade doesn't make much sense to me in the long term, but my point was that Moulson without JT is prob good for 15-20 goals, while Vanek WITH JT is probably good for 40-50 goals. Big difference there, not a marginal difference. Even the difference between Moulson putting up 30 if he stayed versus Vanek putting up 40-50 is a decent difference...not worth a first and a second IMO, but I can certainly see the reasoning here for this trade....
 
NYR31 said:
By the way, how about MDZ+ for Moulson? :)

Kreider - Step - Nash
Moulson - Richards- Cally
Hags - Brass - Puliot
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You know what, that isnt a bad top 9 at all....In fact its pretty good
 
NYR31 said:
By the way, how about MDZ+ for Moulson? :)

Kreider - Step - Nash
Moulson - Richards- Cally
Hags - Brass - Puliot
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I usually never want to be a buyer at the deadline but this is something I would like to see. ...of course that's if we are in line for a playoff spot.
 
It is a good thought. Big issue is Nash though. Can we include him on the lines right now? Still hasn't even practiced yet. I am concerned.
 
vroppelt said:
31, I agree that the trade doesn't make much sense to me in the long term, but my point was that Moulson without JT is prob good for 15-20 goals, while Vanek WITH JT is probably good for 40-50 goals. Big difference there, not a marginal difference. Even the difference between Moulson putting up 30 if he stayed versus Vanek putting up 40-50 is a decent difference...not worth a first and a second IMO, but I can certainly see the reasoning here for this trade....
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Vro, i just don't know Vanek can score that many with JT. In '11'12 season (last full season) there were 4 players who scored 40+ and the year before that there were 5. Does JT make Vanek a top 5 player in the sport? i don't see that type of talent in him (Vanek).
 
chuckd3534 said:
It is a good thought. Big issue is Nash though. Can we include him on the lines right now? Still hasn't even practiced yet. I am concerned.
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I read today that 'the Thanksgiving return timetable is probably too optimistic' for Nash, still experiencing headaches. Not good. (Think it was Carps blog or Jan Levines blog)
 
Exactly vro. So we cannot count him in when we list our lines. It is sad but true.
 
vroppelt said:
I read today that 'the Thanksgiving return timetable is probably too optimistic' for Nash, still experiencing headaches. Not good. (Think it was Carps blog or Jan Levines blog)
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Bummer news, but most importantly is that when he does make it back he's at 100%. Don't want him to come back early at the risk of getting hurt again and more severely.
 
NYR31 said:
Vro, i just don't know Vanek can score that many with JT. In '11'12 season (last full season) there were 4 players who scored 40+ and the year before that there were 5. Does JT make Vanek a top 5 player in the sport? i don't see that type of talent in him (Vanek).
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20 goals/41 assists in 38 games last year playing with nobody. Not saying its a given, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him explode playing with JT, especially in a contract year (probably his last big contract too)....we will see I guess
 
I would give the edge to vanek in a player vs player matchup. however the Isles weakness is in net and on the blueline. look for the Isles to acquire a solid keeper and maybe d-man early spring. They have the cap space and some young talent to bolster their line up come playoff time, even if the assets are just rentals. I'm sure this is just the first of several moves Garth Snow will make. As for Sather, we simply do not have the assets to make a big deal, unless your willing to move Hank as a rental and then try to resign him over the summer
 
I fear we're dealing with another Marc Savard concussion issue with Nash. If not yet then eventually. Can they get another year or two out of him?
 
Ranger71 said:
I fear we're dealing with another Marc Savard concussion issue with Nash. If not yet then eventually. Can they get another year or two out of him?
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Its certainly possible. He is clearly not coming back for at least a month, could miss the whole season + or more. Just sucks
 
Hypothetically, if this team never made the Nash deal, Kreider would never be getting on a chance on this year, Sather wouldn't have made the Brassard deal which means no Moore, Brassard or Dorsett. Essentially the Nash deal triggered the Gaborik deal.

The deal really was a number 1, Gaborik, Dubinsky, Anisimov and Erixon for Nash, Moore, Brassard and Dorsett.

So that being said if Nash doesn't play much more would you trade a number 1, Gaborik, Dubinsky, Anisimov and Erixon for Moore, Brassard and Dorsett?

I like Moore more than Erixon. I like Brassard more than Dubinsky. I like Anisimov more than Dorsett. I liked Nash a ton more than Gaborik last year. So basically, the Rangers could sign Gaborik back for money next year if he's a UFA. That would still make the trade a huge win.
 
My expectations for Dubinsky were that of Callahan. He never filled those. My expectations of Anisimov were that of Stepan. He never filled those. They are good role players but we expected more of them here. Brassard did in one playoffs what those guys were never able to do in the playoffs their entire time here. That was be a dominant player.
 
Well on one hand Snow made a bold move. But given he gave up Moulson (who got a prospect and 2 #2's) a 1st and a 2nd for 4 months of Vanek this move will be the final nail in the Garth Snow coffin
 
Wow, I don't even remember starting this thread.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
sometimes I know what im talking about lol
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even a broken clock is right twice a day, Al....just kidding :)

but really, that had disaster written all over it. It's the Isles, how could it have worked any differently.
 
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