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Blazers coach Nate McMillan said guard Jerryd Bayless is healthy enough to play. McMillan stated that he made the decision to keep Bayless off the court in Wednesday's victory over the Detroit Pistons because he wanted to have experienced players in Portland's second unit.
"We've just got to execute with that group," McMillan said. "I'm trying to get Andre (Miller) back with that group."
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I guess we wont see Blake going to the Bench when McClueless ends the three guard lineup.....

http://columbian.com/article/20091119/BLOGS05/911199996/-1/blazerbanter
 
it's_GO_time said:
Before your time probably . . . tons of talent, dumb as rocks.
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Listing a single player just doesn't prove a point.

I'll take talent 100% of the time over experience. It won't work out 100% of the time, but it will most of the time imo. Experience is overrated.
 
RoyToy said:
Listing a single player just doesn't prove a point.

I'll take talent 100% of the time over experience. It won't work out 100% of the time, but it will most of the time imo. Experience is overrated.
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Whatever you say boss. Forget the fact players, coaches and analyst talk about the importance of NBA experience (including palyoff experience) . . . experience is to be ignored, take talent 100% of the time.

Blazers choose experience over talent this summer . . . but they must have overrated experience.
 
RoyIsClutch07 said:
Do you ever scratch your head and wonder what Mac is doing?

I do.
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Then I realize that if Bayless were in running the 2nd unit it would get totally out of control and disorganized, then I understand what Nate is trying to do...
 
it's_GO_time said:
Whatever you say boss. Forget the fact players, coaches and analyst talk about the importance of NBA experience (including palyoff experience) . . . experience is to be ignored, take talent 100% of the time.

Blazers choose experience over talent this summer . . . but they must have overrated experience.
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I completely concur with him. There is something to be said for players that can flat out ball when they come into the league. You know what you have. Then you compare that to project players. Project player almost never pan out IMO. Look at Martell and Outlaw. They are prime examples of this. Years of project player development and drafted with their "athletic" ability. Yet neither one could "ball" at all when drafted. Years later, they have finally become below average players. I could have easily done without the years of anguish and just drafted a player who knows how to play basketball from the start.

Experience is a bonus if the player knew how to play ball when they entered the league. Not so much if they are a project player at best.
 
hasoos said:
I completely concur with him. There is something to be said for players that can flat out ball when they come into the league. You know what you have. Then you compare that to project players. Project player almost never pan out IMO. Look at Martell and Outlaw. They are prime examples of this. Years of project player development and drafted with their "athletic" ability. Yet neither one could "ball" at all when drafted. Years later, they have finally become below average players. I could have easily done without the years of anguish and just drafted a player who knows how to play basketball from the start.

Experience is a bonus if the player knew how to play ball when they entered the league. Not so much if they are a project player at best.
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I'm not saying experience is everything, but it is a factor to consider.

Just like you mentioned, Martell has talent but has yet to reach the potential people saw in his talent. I would take a cagey vet who knows how to help a team with limited athletic ability than a talented player who can't alot with it.

I think it's Miller's experience that makes him as effective as he is . . . not saying he doesn't have talent, but he mixes his talen with his experience to be effective.
 
The money quote, imho is:

"We've just got to execute with that group," McMillan said. "I'm trying to get Andre (Miller) back with that group."

Andre Miller is not a good half-court offensive player in Portland's scheme. This comes down to changing the entire scheme to work in a role player - or using him to his best - as a leader of a fast break team for a change of pace purpose.

If Andre Miller plays 12-14 of his minutes as the leader of the fast-pace team with Rudy, Web, LMA and Joel - this leaves him only 12-14 minutes per game with the half-court offense, and leaves 15-18 minutes per game working the old scheme with Roy handling the ball more with 2 long-range shooters near him to open the floor.
 
it's_GO_time said:
I'm not saying experience is everything, but it is a factor to consider.

Just like you mentioned, Martell has talent but has yet to reach the potential people saw in his talent. I would take a cagey vet who knows how to help a team with limited athletic ability than a talented player who can't alot with it.

I think it's Miller's experience that makes him as effective as he is . . . not saying he doesn't have talent, but he mixes his talen with his experience to be effective.
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That is because there is no "sure things in the nba. For every statement, there is probably a player that breaks the statement. But in general what I have found is the draft picks that can't "ball" at all when they come into the league, for the most part never turn into good players, nor the experienced veterans you speak of. In order to turn into those "cagey" vets, they have to at least have some ability to play basketball before getting the experience. One of the only guys that I can even remember breaking that statement is Shawn Kemp. For 20 years people have been looking for the next Shawn Kemp. It hasn't happened since IMO.
 
it's_GO_time said:
If that is how you read my comments, then I guess you are the one dumb as rocks.

(try editing that one . . .)
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This is obviously sarcasm by RoyToy....your obviously not smart enough to realize that :biglaugh:

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Ugh....

Experience is overrated.
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andalusian said:
The money quote, imho is:

"We've just got to execute with that group," McMillan said. "I'm trying to get Andre (Miller) back with that group."

Andre Miller is not a good half-court offensive player in Portland's scheme. This comes down to changing the entire scheme to work in a role player - or using him to his best - as a leader of a fast break team for a change of pace purpose.
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I have a bad feeling about this....whether right or wrong, Miller will not be happy with a reserve role
 
andalusian said:
The money quote, imho is:

"We've just got to execute with that group," McMillan said. "I'm trying to get Andre (Miller) back with that group."

Andre Miller is not a good half-court offensive player in Portland's scheme. This comes down to changing the entire scheme to work in a role player - or using him to his best - as a leader of a fast break team for a change of pace purpose.
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I demand you delete this!!! This is not the time nor the place for a reasonable opinion!
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
I have a bad feeling about this....whether right or wrong, Miller will not be happy with a reserve role
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Nate is already doing this. He pulls Miller earlier in the 1st so he can be reinserted with the 2nd group.

Some may assume this is a prelude to pulling him from the starting line-up entirely. I think eventually that will happen when the 3 guard line-up ends, but for now I think he keeps starting.
 
Blazer_Hippie said:
Nate is already doing this. He pulls Miller earlier in the 1st so he can be reinserted with the 2nd group.

Some may assume this is a prelude to pulling him from the starting line-up entirely. I think eventually that will happen when the 3 guard line-up ends, but for now I think he keeps starting.
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And in the first stretch of games, Miller looked affected by it, and he resorted to National Media to get out his frustration....

Its in the best intrest of the team to avoid this
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
And in the first stretch of games, Miller looked affected by it, and he resorted to National Media to get out his frustration....

Its in the best intrest of the team to avoid this
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In the 1st stretch of games he was coming off the bench entirely...currently he's starting...
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
And you just said that when the three guard lineup ends, he will be on the bench...

and im saying, lets avoid that
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And I'm saying we're stuck with the 3 guard line-up for a while so let's not worry about it. But, on the underlying point, I do disagree a bit...in a total vacuum, Miller is the better player, but right now, on this team, I tend to think Blake is the better fir for the team on the starting unit...
 
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