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Blaze01 said:
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I wouldn't deal Camby either at this point...I think he has more than 1 year in the tank, he appears to not really want to be traded and his value on the floor to POR far outweighs the potential gain POR could get back via trade....

Keep him, hell resign him for another 2 years...he helps Aldridge out trenmendously....hopefully POR can get a young big to work under Camby, as his minutes are slowly reduced....

I wouldn't trade him...nt unless the deal is REALLY good for POR....


Miller, I would look to deal him...not sure there is a market for him, the team has the option to pick up the last year on his deal, which could give them another year...try and make the playoffs this year still and then deal his expiring contract next year...so just a one year delay....


Pryz getting traded is a no brainer....and if you can find anyone who still thinks Rudy has more upside than he has shown, then deal him...
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Camby could play out the rest of his career here and not help us win a title. Why not try and get someone who might?
 
e_blazer said:
Canzano says this is the plan:



http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...ail_blazers_winning/4774/comments-newest.html

The problem with that scenario is that Andre Miller can't be traded between the end of the season and the end of June because he has an option on his last season. Players with ending contracts or options that could make them ending can't be traded during that time period. That means Cho either has to trade Miller before the deadline or wait until a new CBA is signed.
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Draft day trades never become official until the first week of July. A trade can be agreed to in principle during the draft, though, which is why Minnesota technically drafted Brandon Roy, although that trade wasn't made official until July. Trade is made, paperwork submitted, and then once Miller's option is picked up, it becomes official when the NBA approves it.

The same thing happened with Ryan Gomes. He was "traded" on draft day, yet the trade wasn't official until early July. At that point, Portland declined to puck up his option.
 
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Klinky said:
There is the other very real possibility: Canzano is full of shit.
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Or, the 4th possiblility: Canzano was accurate in his hypothetical scenario, and you don't know the actual rules, so you criticized him out of your own ignorance. :)
 
Interesting trade deadline. You got a susperstar on the move. You got a new CBA coming in and teams may be trying to beat the other teams to the punch and positioning themselves in anticipation for new rules. You have franchises in financial hardship with one actually going banckrupt. You have the era of combining top players on one team so you are either a competitior or no chance in hell. You have teams looking to rebuild.

I know there is often the anti-climatic trade deadline coming and going with little activity, but I'm predicting an active trade deadline.
 
PapaG said:
Draft day trades never become official until the first week of July. A trade can be agreed to in principle during the draft, though, which is why Minnesota technically drafted Brandon Roy, although that trade wasn't made official until July. Trade is made, paperwork submitted, and then once Miller's option is picked up, it becomes official when the NBA approves it.

The same thing happened with Ryan Gomes. He was "traded" on draft day, yet the trade wasn't official until early July. At that point, Portland declined to puck up his option.
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All of that is true in a normal season. This year the CBA expires June 30, so I don't think there's the option of completing trades until a new one is signed. Absent that, there's no salary cap amount or trading rules in place to govern the trades.
 
PapaG said:
Or, the 4th possiblility: Canzano was accurate in his hypothetical scenario, and you don't know the actual rules, so you criticized him out of your own ignorance. :)
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I finally figured it out. PapaG is actually John Canzano. ;)
 
Miller's option is a team option. Portland can agree to pick up that option any time before it expires. So they can pick up his option the day of the draft, adn trade him as a normal player under contract for next season.
 
e_blazer said:
All of that is true in a normal season. This year the CBA expires June 30, so I don't think there's the option of completing trades until a new one is signed. Absent that, there's no salary cap amount or trading rules in place to govern the trades.
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Aha. Gotcha. A trade could still be agreed upon, though, even without a CBA after June 30. If a new CBA is somehow agreed upon in, say, October, at that point the trade could still be made official. If there is no season, it won't matter anyhow, since Miller won't be under contract, and that trade would be dropped.

So, Cho could make a Miller draft day trade and hope for a shortened season, at worst, if he wants something in the draft, or, he can go for the sure thing (at least in terms of getting some value for Miller) at the trade deadline, but with a much smaller pool of potential suitors.
 
e_blazer said:
I finally figured it out. PapaG is actually John Canzano. ;)
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Hey, I was only pointing there is a 4th option! Klinky wasn't playing nice the other day, so I saw an opening. :)
 
RR7 said:
Miller's option is a team option. Portland can agree to pick up that option any time before it expires. So they can pick up his option the day of the draft, adn trade him as a normal player under contract for next season.
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That is the 5th option. I was assuming that Miller's new team would want to make the decision on the final year, but it is perfectly logical that the Blazers could exercise that option now. I think that lowers his potential value a bit, but as eblazer posted, the lack of a new CBA may lead to no 2011-12, which would mean no trade, and nothing in exchange for Miller.
 
I'm a Przybilla fan. I think he fits Nate's system well; therefore he's worth more to us than to other teams; therefore if we trade him we will lose.

Blazinaway said:
LOL IMO you can't believe any of this stuff on who will or will not be traded. Cho is not going to tell Quick unless he wants to place disinformation into the market. It is of course fine forum fodder.
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Correct. Unlike Pritchard, Cho doesn't brag to the Oregonian. If he did, the purpose would be to mislead other GMs.
 
Personally I don't want to move any of our bigs. I think we need Joel, Camby, and Oden next season.
 
e_blazer said:
I finally figured it out. PapaG is actually John Canzano. ;)
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Nah. PapaG is much less snarky, dismissive and insulting than Canzano is to people who disagree with him. :)
 
Nice to hear it took Cho 6 months to come up with this "plan".
 
e_blazer said:
There's usually a market for an expiring contract like his. Remains to be seen whether that's the case this year.
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Ya, I'm not sure expirings are as valuable this year as they've been in the past.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Ya, I'm not sure expirings are as valuable this year as they've been in the past.
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Actually, I think they may be more so. Everything the League has put out is saying that there's either going to be a hard cap or a much tighter luxury tax threshold. Teams may be very interested in dumping salary to gain more flexibility after the new CBA is signed.
 
e_blazer said:
Actually, I think they may be more so. Everything the League has put out is saying that there's either going to be a hard cap or a much tighter luxury tax threshold. Teams may be very interested in dumping salary to gain more flexibility after the new CBA is signed.
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I think the difficulty in that is there are still a few teams with very large TPE, which are more valuable than an expiring contract, and there are a ton of expiring contracts, flooding the market, in a way.
 
RR7 said:
Plan A of Roy, Oden Aldridge backfiring on him is his own fault? WTF?
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He counted on them staying healthy knowing what he knew. Terrible idea.

He compounded that by thinning the roster even more by trading Bayless. Even worse.

Does this guy know what he's doing?
 
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RoyToy said:
He counted on them staying healthy knowing what he knew. Terrible idea.

He compounded that by thinning the roster even more by trading Bayless. Even worse.

Does this guy know what he's doing?
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LMAO. Seriously? Should we trust someone who has an avatar of Pritchard holding a GM jersey as being an unbiased source of opinion on Cho? What magical trade did Cho pass up, which would have made us better in the short/long term? You don't know. Maybe he's been offered nothing but crap because everyone in the NBA knows the Blazers are in a bind with all the injury issues. Don't act like Bayless would really be a difference maker on this team. Andre & Mils are taking all the PG time, while Rudy & Matthews are taking all the SG time, not sure where Bayless fits in. He wasn't happy or consistent as a backup. It is a tragedy we don't have his 9.6PTS & 2TOs to help us out.
 
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