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barfo said:
From my five minutes of research that does not appear to be true:



So while there is some utility in the metadata, it is not likely the NSA has your emails and phone calls from a year ago.

barfo
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Wow. You really have no clue what the NSA has.

This is the NSA's Utah data center. Buildings filled with servers and hard drives to retain all the data you think they don't have.

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Inside looks like this for 99% of the space:

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This is just one of their data centers, too. They have many around the world.

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2016/10/07/intercept-theres-nsa-data-center-uk

The Intercept: There’s an NSA Data Center in the UK
Snowden docs reveal details about US spies’ satellite surveillance operation in North Yorkshire.
 
Denny Crane said:
Wow. You really have no clue what the NSA has.

This is the NSA's Utah data center. Buildings filled with servers and hard drives to retain all the data you think they don't have.

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Inside looks like this for 99% of the space:

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This is just one of their data centers, too. They have many around the world.

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2016/10/07/intercept-theres-nsa-data-center-uk

The Intercept: There’s an NSA Data Center in the UK
Snowden docs reveal details about US spies’ satellite surveillance operation in North Yorkshire.
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What is this image? Rack mounted hard drives I suppose. Well, I wonder how many years back they can go and still retrieve data? Do they really have a plan to keep that data retrievable? Sort of difficult to believe the Government can keep a crew on their toes, do what is necessary to actually maintain access to the data they have stored. Data from last year? Sure. Data from 10 years ago? Maybe. Data from 20 years ago? Very suspect.

But then, How long do they need it? What the hell is their plan?
 
MarAzul said:
What is this image? Rack mounted hard drives I suppose. Well, I wonder how many years back they can go and still retrieve data? Do they really have a plan to keep that data retrievable? Sort of difficult to believe the Government can keep a crew on their toes, do what is necessary to actually maintain access to the data they have stored. Data from last year? Sure. Data from 10 years ago? Maybe. Data from 20 years ago? Very suspect.

But then, How long do they need it? What the hell is their plan?
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They have many options for bulk storage. With the availability of 10TB and 14TB hard drives, they can fit a lot of raw data in small places.

They can convert audio (phone calls) to text, which is much smaller. They can search for keywords, like "Russia" in all the files that relate to any particular Trump associate.

https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

Data Storage Capacity
In February 2012, Utah Governor Gary R. Herbert revealed that the Utah Data Center would be the "first facility in the world expected to gather and house a yottabyte". Since then, conflicting media reports have also estimated our storage capacity in terms of zettabytes and exabytes. While the actual capacity is classified for NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS, we can say this: The Utah Data Center was built with future expansion in mind and the ultimate capacity will definitely be "alottabytes"!

The steady rise in available computer power and the development of novel computer platforms will enable us to easily turn the huge volume of incoming data into an asset to be exploited, for the good of the nation.

https://nsa.gov1.info/data/index.html
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barfo in denial.

But I'm sure he agrees "for the good of the nation!"
 
The Utah data center was 100% complete on 8/31/2014. Way earlier than the 2016 campaign. Certainly gathered all the information on Trump and his associates, as well as everyone else in the country (and maybe worldwide).
 
http://reason.com/reasontv/2016/01/19/nsa-utah-data-center-spying-snowden-spy

The NSA Wouldn't Let Us in This Building (But We Found Out What's Inside)
Large rooms with racks of computer servers.

If you think the National Security Agency (NSA) isn't interested in your information, you should take a road trip out to see the massive, nondescript, concrete buildings they operate in the sleepy town of Bluffdale, Utah.

Called the Utah or NSA Data Center, it may be one of the best representations for what the NSA considers to be its mission for the future: bulk online data collection. Although the NSA turned down our request to tour the facility with our cameras, we were able to talk to Pete Ashdown of the ISP provider XMission, who toured the facility as it was being built in 2012.

"The NSA Data Center is essentially server space, where they have large rooms with racks of servers," says Ashdown, who toured the buildings as a part of Utah Data Center Consortium, a group of public and private stakeholders interested in Utah's data center industry.

At first Ashdown was excited to see what the NSA was building, but found out they were pretty tight lipped about details.

"The questions they would answer were very banal. But, we were able to calculate the capacity by counting the generators. Each of those generators was a two megawatt generator and they had over thirty of them," said Ashdown. "I think a megawatt can service 1,000 homes."

When Ashdown left the facility, he began to digest what he saw recalling what former AT&T engineer and NSA whistleblower Mark Klein revealed in 2004: An NSA intercept room at the AT&T headquarters in the San Francisco Bay area.

"All the data flowing through AT&T at the time was going in and nobody knew what was going on inside," said Ashdown, who also says he was told the Utah Data Center is not connected to the internet all all.

"I started to realize that it is just a data collection point. That they are collecting and storing as much data off the internet and telephone networks that they can. And they think that if you ask for a warrant later to look at the data that's okay," said Ashdown.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://reason.com/reasontv/2016/01/19/nsa-utah-data-center-spying-snowden-spy

The NSA Wouldn't Let Us in This Building (But We Found Out What's Inside)
Large rooms with racks of computer servers.

If you think the National Security Agency (NSA) isn't interested in your information, you should take a road trip out to see the massive, nondescript, concrete buildings they operate in the sleepy town of Bluffdale, Utah.

Called the Utah or NSA Data Center, it may be one of the best representations for what the NSA considers to be its mission for the future: bulk online data collection. Although the NSA turned down our request to tour the facility with our cameras, we were able to talk to Pete Ashdown of the ISP provider XMission, who toured the facility as it was being built in 2012.

"The NSA Data Center is essentially server space, where they have large rooms with racks of servers," says Ashdown, who toured the buildings as a part of Utah Data Center Consortium, a group of public and private stakeholders interested in Utah's data center industry.

At first Ashdown was excited to see what the NSA was building, but found out they were pretty tight lipped about details.

"The questions they would answer were very banal. But, we were able to calculate the capacity by counting the generators. Each of those generators was a two megawatt generator and they had over thirty of them," said Ashdown. "I think a megawatt can service 1,000 homes."

When Ashdown left the facility, he began to digest what he saw recalling what former AT&T engineer and NSA whistleblower Mark Klein revealed in 2004: An NSA intercept room at the AT&T headquarters in the San Francisco Bay area.

"All the data flowing through AT&T at the time was going in and nobody knew what was going on inside," said Ashdown, who also says he was told the Utah Data Center is not connected to the internet all all.

"I started to realize that it is just a data collection point. That they are collecting and storing as much data off the internet and telephone networks that they can. And they think that if you ask for a warrant later to look at the data that's okay," said Ashdown.
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Pretty genius. Store everything without cause and then go back and find it if we get a warrant.

Imagine the cops go to every house each month, search it but somehow don't actually look at the bad things they find.

Then six months later they get a tip that Denny Crane had drugs in his house in March. Get warrant and go check your March search contents. Genius I tell you.

Or completely and totally unconstitutional but whatever. The FBI the libs love so much told us not to worry.
 
The site I quoted is a parody site, but the information is accurate.

Links to documents do open from government URLs, etc.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Pretty genius. Store everything without cause and then go back and find it if we get a warrant.

Imagine the cops go to every house each month, search it but somehow don't actually look at the bad things they find.

Then six months later they get a tip that Denny Crane had drugs in his house in March. Get warrant and go check your March search contents. Genius I tell you.

Or completely and totally unconstitutional but whatever. The FBI the libs love so much told us not to worry.
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People are incompetent. Those in government tend to be more so. To expect any more is barfo-like.
 
Denny Crane said:
People are incompetent. Those in government tend to be more so. To expect any more is barfo-like.
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When a cop does something wrong generally he's trampling on someone's constitutional rights. Half of the things we bitch about here shouldn't have been allowed but so many people turn a blind eye.

Stop and frisk for example. People love it because they say it works....so what?

It's the people in government that DO these things and we let them.

What did New York wanna do recently? Ban large fountain drinks or some such thing?

So dumb
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
When a cop does something wrong generally he's trampling on someone's constitutional rights. Half of the things we bitch about here shouldn't have been allowed but so many people turn a blind eye.

Stop and frisk for example. People love it because they say it works....so what?

It's the people in government that DO these things and we let them.

What did New York wanna do recently? Ban large fountain drinks or some such thing?

So dumb
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And certain people defend this in spite of the clear evidence it's immoral, unethical, illegal, and/or unconstitutional.
 
Denny Crane said:
barfo in denial.
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Hmm, let's see what I'm in denial of.

Denny asserts without evidence that (a) the NSA has copies of all Trump associates calls & emails; (b) Mueller and Congress have examined all of those; (c) they have found nothing incriminating.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Hmm, let's see what I'm in denial of.

Denny asserts without evidence that (a) the NSA has copies of all Trump associates calls & emails; (b) Mueller and Congress have examined all of those; (c) they have found nothing incriminating.

barfo
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So you post more denial. Way to go!
 
I gave you several posts of evidence. Pictures of the building, pictures of the inside of the building. Assessment by a hosting executive/expert about how much the NSA is and can collect.

And you say, "without evidence."

I say you're in denial.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Pretty genius. Store everything without cause and then go back and find it if we get a warrant.

Imagine the cops go to every house each month, search it but somehow don't actually look at the bad things they find.

Then six months later they get a tip that Denny Crane had drugs in his house in March. Get warrant and go check your March search contents. Genius I tell you.

Or completely and totally unconstitutional but whatever. The FBI the libs love so much told us not to worry.
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Might be a lot simpler to just plant drugs on Denny when they arrest him.

The old ways are sometimes better.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
They have many options for bulk storage. With the availability of 10TB and 14TB hard drives
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Yes Denny, I am aware of the progress in the volume of data capacity. No problem there, dollars purchases bulk capacity for anyone.
However, longevity has not improved a great deal, I have only one hard drive 20 years old. All others have failed prior to that mark. The lone survivor was built in the IBM San Jose facility 21 years ago. They built their last there 15 years ago or so.

The plan to rotate all this data, is what I question. Tape is poor in Longevity, Mechanical devices like hard drives even worse. Solid State hard drives seem to be no better. Camera chips seem to be the best in longevity, but relatively small in capacity. A 1TB CF card is not available and that much bulk in cards is very expensive.
I use Camera chips on the boat for data that I just must have such as navigation charts. But I can store charts for the world on a 32G CF chip.
The faster the CF card the more costly while the longevity capability goes down with speed. Although it appears they just get slow rather than fail.
I doubt even the US Government can afford to store the conversations of the world on Camera chips for indefinitely.

So what is the longevity plan for all this data? Longevity requires a reliable media, as well as a reliable crew following workable plan. The longer the storage time, the more elaborate the plan must be, thereby increasing probability for crew failure.
 
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Denny Crane said:
I gave you several posts of evidence. Pictures of the building, pictures of the inside of the building. Assessment by a hosting executive/expert about how much the NSA is and can collect.

And you say, "without evidence."

I say you're in denial.
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Suit yourself.

But here's a question for you - if the NSA has every bit of information on everyone, then why weren't your champions ever able to pin anything on Hillary? Were there no phone or email records? Oh wait, the "33,000 missing emails"! The NSA has them, right? So...

:lol:

barfo
 
I would think they use some sort of RAID configuration so when a disk fails they lose no data and they simply hot swap in a new one.

It is true that in a building full of hard drives that the odds of several failing at any one time are high.

As far as how long they keep data? Just add more hard drives.

Google has enough servers to keep every page of the internet in RAM on at least one of those servers. Think about that!

The NSA spent $1.5B (so far) on just the one facility that's been publicized. The cost of drives is puny in comparison to the cost of the electricity to run all those servers and drives, plus the cooling so they don't burn up.

Also, there are now 60TB SSDs. WOW. They replace a 10TB RAID array with those and get 6x the capacity in the same space.

They also have a cray supercomputer they use to crack RSA 256 bit encryption. So even encrypting your data or using encrypted connections is not a way to be safe from prying eyes of barfo's heroes.
 
barfo said:
Suit yourself.

But here's a question for you - if the NSA has every bit of information on everyone, then why weren't your champions ever able to pin anything on Hillary? Were there no phone or email records? Oh wait, the "33,000 missing emails"! The NSA has them, right? So...

:lol:

barfo
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They did pin crimes on Hiliar. The Obama Administration obstructed justice and refused to prosecute.

More denial, I see.
 
Denny Crane said:
They did pin crimes on Hiliar. The Obama Administration obstructed justice and refused to prosecute.

More denial, I see.
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Obama administration out of power now. Trump administration now has access to all this proof of Hillary's crimes - why don't they prosecute? Hmm?

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
I would think they use some sort of RAID configuration so when a disk fails they lose no data and they simply hot swap in a new one.

It is true that in a building full of hard drives that the odds of several failing at any one time are high.

As far as how long they keep data? Just add more hard drives.

Google has enough servers to keep every page of the internet in RAM on at least one of those servers. Think about that!

The NSA spent $1.5B (so far) on just the one facility that's been publicized. The cost of drives is puny in comparison to the cost of the electricity to run all those servers and drives, plus the cooling so they don't burn up.

Also, there are now 60TB SSDs. WOW. They replace a 10TB RAID array with those and get 6x the capacity in the same space.

They also have a cray supercomputer they use to crack RSA 256 bit encryption. So even encrypting your data or using encrypted connections is not a way to be safe from prying eyes of barfo's heroes.
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Yeah a RAID array could work, but holy hell, that will be a huge pile of drives in no time.

Well I, think we should demand they quit this anyway so I really don't care if it fails. err except they will rely on it rather than do what should be done.
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hi...vestigating-clinton-foundation-months-n835006

The FBI has looked at the foundation's activities before. The question was whether donors to the foundation received favorable treatment from the State Department while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state.

The investigation was dialed back during the 2016 presidential campaign. It is now being run by the FBI's office in Little Rock, where the foundation has an office. And though the inquiry has been revived, it is being conducted at a substantially lower profile.

(There's your obstruction of justice).
 
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