Muhammad Ali died

[Strenuus]

Trump still looks bad, like always.

Not Swayed.

/politicial slant of thread.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Looks like George Foreman, rope a dope fight.

Foreman threw 23 punches in that clip, none landed.

That's not George Foreman. It's Michael Dokes, who was 19 years old and only in his first year as a professional fighter during that exhibition fight in 1977. He became a heavyweight champion in 1982 and fought until 1997.

 

[BlazerWookee]

A true American hero.

One of my biggest heroes as a child.

He is missed.

Hero?!? He was a fucking draft dodger.

 

[Nhawz]

Hero?!? He was a fucking draft dodger.

Fuck you.

 

[crandc]

Ali, Kareenm
Ali was not a "draft dodger" he was a draft refuser. He did not "dodge". He said openly he would not fight those with whom he had no quarrel. His famous comment was that no Viet Cong ever called him n----r. Draft dodgers are those who supported the war, as long as others fought it. Cheney, Trump, Limbaugh...

 

[Denny Crane]

Ali, Kareenm
Ali was not a "draft dodger" he was a draft refuser. He did not "dodge". He said openly he would not fight those with whom he had no quarrel. His famous comment was that no Viet Cong ever called him n----r. Draft dodgers are those who supported the war, as long as others fought it. Cheney, Trump, Limbaugh...

Tens of thousands fled to Canada.

Add Bill Clinton to your list of draft dodgers.

 

[BBert]

Muhammad Ali was not a draft dodger. He didn't flee anywhere. Had he been Amish or Quaker or some other Christian denomination (and white) his conscientious objector status would have gone unquestioned. Had he been in college he may have qualified for a deferral, like many rich kids of the time.

 

[BBert]

What I find valuable and poignant about his passing is the opportunity for people today to watch and listen as Ali explained the peaceful teachings of the Muslim religion that dictated he not join the war. Jesus was a pacifist and taught peace, yet for centuries people have been slaughtered in the name of Christianity. Likewise, the violent acts of a few insane religious fanatics should not brand the entire Muslim religion. Maybe Ali's words can help a few American crazies understand that, and if not, at least a few normal people.

 

[Denny Crane]

What I find valuable and poignant about his passing is the opportunity for people today to watch and listen as Ali explained the peaceful teachings of the Muslim religion that dictated he not join the war. Jesus was a pacifist and taught peace, yet for centuries people have been slaughtered in the name of Christianity. Likewise, the violent acts of a few insane religious fanatics should not brand the entire Muslim religion. Maybe Ali's words can help a few American crazies understand that, and if not, at least a few normal people.

Well said.

 

[riverman]

Hero?!? He was a fucking draft dodger.

Ali was the first guy I remember actually not dodging the draft but contesting it as an actual consciencious objector. That's not draft dodging...he was in full public view and put his career on the line to live what he believed.....bad post Wookie...I'm a Viet Nam vet and he's a hero of mine

 

[Denny Crane]

Ali was the first guy I remember actually not dodging the draft but contesting it as an actual consciencious objector. That's not draft dodging...he was in full public view and put his career on the line to live what he believed.....bad post Wookie...I'm a Viet Nam vet and he's a hero of mine

He went to jail free for his conviction. He put that ahead of career.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's not George Foreman. It's Michael Dokes, who was 19 years old and only in his first year as a professional fighter during that exhibition fight in 1977. He became a heavyweight champion in 1982 and fought until 1997.

Correct.

 

[riverman]

I was reading an article about Ali last night and what I loved was when he went to a restaurant in the deep south and the waiter said, we don't serve negroes here...Ali answered...That's fine, I don't eat those anyway.

 

[BBert]

Ali was the first guy I remember actually not dodging the draft but contesting it as an actual consciencious objector. That's not draft dodging...he was in full public view and put his career on the line to live what he believed.....bad post Wookie...I'm a Viet Nam vet and he's a hero of mine

Ali not only risked, but for a time lost, everything for his beliefs: his career, his freedom, and to many his reputation. He was reviled by many (still is apparently). His actions had a profound and lasting affect on society, and for the better. At the time, with all he risked, sacrificed and achieved, I believe Ali's actions were heroic. At least they were to me.

 

[Strenuus]

Hero?!? He was a fucking draft dodger.

Answer me a question: If you had a choice, would you fight a war you didn't believe in?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Hero?!? He was a fucking draft dodger.

Get a fucking clue.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What I find valuable and poignant about his passing is the opportunity for people today to watch and listen as Ali explained the peaceful teachings of the Muslim religion that dictated he not join the war. Jesus was a pacifist and taught peace, yet for centuries people have been slaughtered in the name of Christianity. Likewise, the violent acts of a few insane religious fanatics should not brand the entire Muslim religion. Maybe Ali's words can help a few American crazies understand that, and if not, at least a few normal people.

Well said.

Denny is wrong. VERY well said.

 

[Denny Crane]

They named a car after Bill Clinton. The Dodge Drafter. It's built in Canada.

 

[crandc]

There were people like Ali who opposed the war, refused the draft and were willing to pay the price. White Christians were more likely to be excused. There were millions who opposed the war or just had no stake and got deferment . There were true draft dodgers like Cheney who loved the war and made sure others died.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[THE HCP]

oops

 

[dviss1]

Hero?!? He was a fucking draft dodger.

You gotta be FUCKING kidding me...

Drumpf, Cheney, Bush, Romney.

Those are fucking chickenhawk ass, deferment taking, draft dodgers!

Drumpf said he had bone spurs.

Willard was on a "Mormon mission" in France.

Fucking Ted Nugent SHIT HIS PANTS to avoid going. It literally scared the SHIT out of him.

Ali stood up for what he believed in. Nonviolently. So he said Whites were his enemies.

You mad bro?

You should be ashamed.

 

[dviss1]

What I find valuable and poignant about his passing is the opportunity for people today to watch and listen as Ali explained the peaceful teachings of the Muslim religion that dictated he not join the war. Jesus was a pacifist and taught peace, yet for centuries people have been slaughtered in the name of Christianity. Likewise, the violent acts of a few insane religious fanatics should not brand the entire Muslim religion. Maybe Ali's words can help a few American crazies understand that, and if not, at least a few normal people.

Great post.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Pure scum and interestingly enough, Trumps first Celebrity Apprentice.

 

[Denny Crane]

You gotta be FUCKING kidding me...

Drumpf, Cheney, Bush, Romney.

Those are fucking chickenhawk ass, deferment taking, draft dodgers!

Drumpf said he had bone spurs.

Willard was on a "Mormon mission" in France.

Fucking Ted Nugent SHIT HIS PANTS to avoid going. It literally scared the SHIT out of him.

Ali stood up for what he believed in. Nonviolently. So he said Whites were his enemies.

You mad bro?

You should be ashamed.

If those guys are "draft dodgers" then so is Bernie Sanders.

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-dodged-draft/

 

[crandc]

Denny, in response to your earlier comment, clearly Trump was acquainted with Ali. But the point people are making is that when Pres. Obama pleaded against prejudice, pointing out there are Muslims in all walks of life in the US, including sports heroes, Trump's immediate response was to say no way Muslims are sports heroes. He could hardly have been unaware that Ali (not to mention Kareem) were Muslim. What is shows is someone who speaks without thinking, goes off half-cocked, is so focused on denouncing an opponent he does not take the time to figure out if what was said is factually true. Now, all of us on the board, myself included, have done that at times. But none of us are running for president. Publicly shooting off one's mouth without thinking or ascertaining facts us not IMHO something I would like to see in the President of the United States.

Ali was the greatest. End. Full stop. Can't take that from him.

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny, in response to your earlier comment, clearly Trump was acquainted with Ali. But the point people are making is that when Pres. Obama pleaded against prejudice, pointing out there are Muslims in all walks of life in the US, including sports heroes, Trump's immediate response was to say no way Muslims are sports heroes. He could hardly have been unaware that Ali (not to mention Kareem) were Muslim. What is shows is someone who speaks without thinking, goes off half-cocked, is so focused on denouncing an opponent he does not take the time to figure out if what was said is factually true. Now, all of us on the board, myself included, have done that at times. But none of us are running for president. Publicly shooting off one's mouth without thinking or ascertaining facts us not IMHO something I would like to see in the President of the United States.

Ali was the greatest. End. Full stop. Can't take that from him.

Trump doesn't want to exile all muslims. It is you and Maddow and the rest of the press mischaracterizing what he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

(It doesn't excuse his being a racist asshole, but that doesn't excuse mischaracterizing what he's said and proposes).

He also didn't question that there are muslim athletes. He just challenged Obama to name any.

Another mischaracterization. In fact, I challenge you to support the text in red in your post with any kind of legitimate proof.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't think it's right to call Ali a hero. He was a nice man who did a lot of good for black people and people with Parkinsons, but a hero? No. He was extremely racist, or said a lot of racist things, which apparently means you are racist. He was a brilliant fighter, and a great ambassador for the sport. IMO, easily the greatest athlete of his time

 

[e_blazer]

 

[THE HCP]

I was telling you guys about that project we were working on this past Saturday for our broadcast....... whether you liked him or hated him, he had an impact on a whole generation.... you should take a min to watch what we did. I'm pretty proud of this.......