Muhammad Ali died

[Denny Crane]

You gotta be FUCKING kidding me...

Drumpf, Cheney, Bush, Romney.

Those are fucking chickenhawk ass, deferment taking, draft dodgers!

Drumpf said he had bone spurs.

Willard was on a "Mormon mission" in France.

Fucking Ted Nugent SHIT HIS PANTS to avoid going. It literally scared the SHIT out of him.

Ali stood up for what he believed in. Nonviolently. So he said Whites were his enemies.

You mad bro?

You should be ashamed.

I know you'll enjoy this, since it's one of your sources:

http://www.politifact.com/new-jerse...l-group-claims-mitt-romney-dick-cheney-donal/

Liberals Are Cool may not like that these men didn’t face combat, but calling them ‘draft dodgers’ is wrong – and ridiculous. As a result, we’re cranking up the heat for this ruling: Pants on Fire!

(Aside from that, I don't know if any of them supported the Vietnam war and avoided going to fight. Wanting to avoid going to LBJ's war was one of the sanest things anyone could do.)

 

[barfo]

He also didn't question that there are muslim athletes. He just challenged Obama to name any.

I don't think so. Did he think Obama was going to respond to his tweet? Of course not.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think so. Did he think Obama was going to respond to his tweet? Of course not.

barfo

Already addressed your nonsense in post #60:

Some took Mr. Trump’s message as a slight against Ali and other prominent Muslim athletes, and others as ignorance of Ali’s religion.

Mr. Trump said the Twitter post was not meant to criticize Muslim athletes. “I’m saying, ‘What sport is he talking about, and who?’ I know there are many great Muslim athletes in soccer and other sports.”

He added, “All I’m saying is, ‘I’d like him to name them because I agree there are some. That’s not a knock by any stretch of the imagination.’”

Mr. Trump said he was well aware of Muslim sports stars. “I know who they are. I mean, look, Muhammad Ali is somebody that I’ve liked for a long time — and I know he’s Muslim.“

Mr. Gunnell said Ali had not been concerned with what Mr. Trump said on Twitter.

 

[Denny Crane]

I was telling you guys about that project we were working on this past Saturday for our broadcast....... whether you liked him or hated him, he had an impact on a whole generation.... you should take a min to watch what we did. I'm pretty proud of this.......

Well done.

 

[barfo]

Already addressed your nonsense in post #60:

Some took Mr. Trump’s message as a slight against Ali and other prominent Muslim athletes, and others as ignorance of Ali’s religion.

Mr. Trump said the Twitter post was not meant to criticize Muslim athletes. “I’m saying, ‘What sport is he talking about, and who?’ I know there are many great Muslim athletes in soccer and other sports.”

He added, “All I’m saying is, ‘I’d like him to name them because I agree there are some. That’s not a knock by any stretch of the imagination.’”

Mr. Trump said he was well aware of Muslim sports stars. “I know who they are. I mean, look, Muhammad Ali is somebody that I’ve liked for a long time — and I know he’s Muslim.“

Mr. Gunnell said Ali had not been concerned with what Mr. Trump said on Twitter.

Yes, you already addressed it by repeating Trump's attempt at spin as if it was the truth.

“All I’m saying is, ‘I’d like him to name them because I agree there are some."

Sure. Donald just wanted a list, because he knew there were some? Uh huh, tell me more stories, Denny.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

don't think it's right to call Ali a hero. No. He was extremely racist, or said a lot of racist things, which apparently means you are racist.

Shocking coming from you.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, you already addressed it by repeating Trump's attempt at spin as if it was the truth.

“All I’m saying is, ‘I’d like him to name them because I agree there are some."

Sure. Donald just wanted a list, because he knew there were some? Uh huh, tell me more stories, Denny.

barfo

You're no stranger to spin.

How about he thinks Obama is clueless, and he's right about that in most cases.

 

[barfo]

How about he thinks Obama is clueless, and he's right about that in most cases.

Sure, he thinks the muslim kenyan president doesn't know which sports stars are muslim.

Yep, that makes sense...

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Any chance we can move the political posts in this thread to some other thread on some other board? Or really, just Denny and Barfo's posts?

 

[Natebishop3]

I would probably have a strong hatred for white people if I grew up during the same time period as Ali.

Letting go of emotions like that can be extremely difficult.

Example - not all high school football players are bullies, but if you're a nerd and enough football players push you into a locker, you're going to have a strong fear of football players. It's an animal instinct that we developed to keep ourselves alive.

Bears don't always eat people..... but they do eat people..... therefor I should probably stay away from bears.

 

[crandc]

Pure scum and interestingly enough, Trumps first Celebrity Apprentice.

Where is Keith Olbermann when we need him. "Worst Person in the Worrrrrlllllllllllddddddddddddddddd"

 

[THE HCP]

I would probably have a strong hatred for white people if I grew up during the same time period as Ali.

Letting go of emotions like that can be extremely difficult.

Example - not all high school football players are bullies, but if you're a nerd and enough football players push you into a locker, you're going to have a strong fear of football players. It's an animal instinct that we developed to keep ourselves alive.

Bears don't always eat people..... but they do eat people..... therefor I should probably stay away from bears.

A few things, I hate white people and I didm't grow up back then......

I was a football player and also a bully.......

 

[crandc]

Trump doesn't want to exile all muslims. It is you and Maddow and the rest of the press mischaracterizing what he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

(It doesn't excuse his being a racist asshole, but that doesn't excuse mischaracterizing what he's said and proposes).

He also didn't question that there are muslim athletes. He just challenged Obama to name any.

Another mischaracterization. In fact, I challenge you to support the text in red in your post with any kind of legitimate proof.

Oh please, Denny. What the hell does "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on" mean? It means nothing! I can be indefinite, or until Trump decides, or what? And total and complete shutdown, when asked, included US citizens returning from abroad. Then it didn't.
When Obama said there are Muslim sports heroes and Trump said "What sport is he talking about, and who?” he was not challenging whether Obama had knowledge of people like Ali, Olajuwon, Abdul-Jabbar et al. The clear context was contempt for the idea that a Muslim could be a sports hero.

 

[riverman]

I was telling you guys about that project we were working on this past Saturday for our broadcast....... whether you liked him or hated him, he had an impact on a whole generation.... you should take a min to watch what we did. I'm pretty proud of this.......

Well done dude! Enjoyed it.

 

[Natebishop3]

I was a football player

Those repeated blows to the head explain so much.

 

[riverman]

A few things, I hate white people and I didm't grow up back then......

I was a football player and also a bully.......

I thought your wife was Scottish....so that makes total sense

 

[Mediocre Man]

Shocking coming from you.

I just don't believe conscientious objectors are heros. I lost my father in the Vietnam war, so you'll excuse me if I have no tolerance for people who refused to fight.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

"When Cassius Clay joined the Black Muslims, he became a champion of racial segregation and that is what we are fighting against."

MLK

I highly recommend the book Suckerpunch by Jack Cashill.

 

[Duckhook]

I just don't believe conscientious objectors are heros. I lost my father in the Vietnam war, so you'll excuse me if I have no tolerance for people who refused to fight.

I'm with you on this. I'm sorry for your loss. I too lost my stepfather to wounds suffered in Vietnam. Ali was very polarizing and did say some incredibly racist and outright means things to the press and most vividly Joe Frazier. He did spend the rest of his life atoning for what he said and Frazier accepted his apology which is all that matters. Ali was very polarizing to those alive during his heyday - something the Wikipedia generation cannot grasp. I was sad to see Ali pass away as he personified a movement both in the ring, and outside the ring later in life.

 

[Natebishop3]

I just don't believe conscientious objectors are heros. I lost my father in the Vietnam war, so you'll excuse me if I have no tolerance for people who refused to fight.

I'm all for fighting if there's a reason to fight. If someone attacked America, and our way of life was threatened, I would gladly join up. What was the point of fighting in Vietnam? What did it accomplish? Drafting Americans to fight in a war that had almost nothing to do with our country was pointless and wasteful, and some people chose not to participate. The thing I don't agree with was the mistreatment of our troops who were returning home from fighting. It wasn't there fault that they had to go over there.

 

[crandc]

Mediocre Man, I'm sorry for your loss. Truly. My question, and I am not trying to offend you. You seem to be bothered more by conscientious objectors, who oppose war on principal, than on those who cheered the war from their safe places while people like your father died. Why is a decision of conscience, which you clearly disagree with, more problematic than an exercise in privilege?

 

[riverman]

We're still paying a heavy price for entering that civil war. It was an arms dealers wet dream, a heroin pipeline and a convenient tool to weed out the less privileged male population...basically a failed real estate deal with a black market that was raining greenbacks. I think it divided the country more than anything since the civil war. I'm sad at anyone's loss from that war because it was a senseless place for us to muck around. I spent over half my adult life in that part of the world and know a ton of vets that never came home....not exactly a ticker tape parade when I arrived in Calif after my tour. Most of us weren't old enough to buy a beer stateside..

 

[Natebishop3]

We're still paying a heavy price for entering that civil war. It was an arms dealers wet dream, a heroin pipeline and a convenient tool to weed out the less privileged male population...basically a failed real estate deal with a black market that was raining greenbacks. I think it divided the country more than anything since the civil war. I'm sad at anyone's loss from that war because it was a senseless place for us to muck around. I spent over half my adult life in that part of the world and know a ton of vets that never came home....not exactly a ticker tape parade when I arrived in Calif after my tour. Most of us weren't old enough to buy a beer stateside..

And then you have the Afghanistan War and the Iraq War. Neither of which have accomplished anything good. Both places are probably worse off than before we got there.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm with you on this. I'm sorry for your loss. I too lost my stepfather to wounds suffered in Vietnam. Ali was very polarizing and did say some incredibly racist and outright means things to the press and most vividly Joe Frazier. He did spend the rest of his life atoning for what he said and Frazier accepted his apology which is all that matters. Ali was very polarizing to those alive during his heyday - something the Wikipedia generation cannot grasp. I was sad to see Ali pass away as he personified a movement both in the ring, and outside the ring later in life.

He did. He seemed like a very nice man. Just not a hero IMO

 

[Natebishop3]

He did. He seemed like a very nice man. Just not a hero IMO

That's the thing about heroism... it's subjective.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm all for fighting if there's a reason to fight. If someone attacked America, and our way of life was threatened, I would gladly join up. What was the point of fighting in Vietnam? What did it accomplish? Drafting Americans to fight in a war that had almost nothing to do with our country was pointless and wasteful, and some people chose not to participate. The thing I don't agree with was the mistreatment of our troops who were returning home from fighting. It wasn't there fault that they had to go over there.

Oh, I think the exact same way. I guess I was raised to fight the good fight, or whatever? To me, that means if my brother is fighting, I would fight as well.

 

[riverman]

Oh, I think the exact same way. I guess I was raised to fight the good fight, or whatever? To me, that means if my brother is fighting, I would fight as well.

That's commendable. I respect those choices that soldiers have died for to protect.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Mediocre Man, I'm sorry for your loss. Truly. My question, and I am not trying to offend you. You seem to be bothered more by conscientious objectors, who oppose war on principal, than on those who cheered the war from their safe places while people like your father died. Why is a decision of conscience, which you clearly disagree with, more problematic than an exercise in privilege?

Where in anything I have ever typed or spoken have I said anything to make you think I am more bothered by one than the other?

 

[Natebishop3]

Oh, I think the exact same way. I guess I was raised to fight the good fight, or whatever? To me, that means if my brother is fighting, I would fight as well.

That's the problem. We don't know what's "the good fight" most of the time. Our country meddles constantly in other countries. Would you fight if your brother was being an asshole and someone called him on it? The good fight has become murky and hard to determine since the end of the WWII.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That's the thing about heroism... it's subjective.

Yes, completely.

Michael Sam is a great example. So many people declared him a hero after he came out. I'm like....are you fucking kidding me?