Murdering Michael Vick

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Jul 27 2007, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's humane to shoot it in the head rather than gouge it's eyes out and take a knife and spit it's stomach open while it's still alive.Of course it's not humane to kill something, but if you have to kill it do it humanely.Ya dig?</div>Also, when you eat meant you don't get enjoyment of of torturing the animals and watching them hurt eachother. It's not a "sport" to you when you're eating, it's filling your body with the 5 main food groups and staying healthy.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tmgbball15 @ Jul 27 2007, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok and im not excusing his actiosn all im saying is that it saddens me as a society that Vick killing dogs is getting more publicity than he would have had he killed his gf or something. I understand what you mean, all im saying is that the killing of animals is wrong no matter what teh circumstances, that when ist for food at leats there is a valid reason, im not denying it, but society needs to lay off teh guy a little, the crime although wrons is not as bad as some make it out to be</div>I'm sure if he killed his GF that would get plenty of news time.
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Definitely more news time. And he'd be in jail for a much longer time.Hey, fast food places such as Wendy's don't treat the animals well, but the good people at Chipotle: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Most pigs do not spend their lives on open pastures, but live in Concentrated Animal Feed Operations, or CAFOs. The conditions in a CAFO are bad, even horrendous. In many ways, they look more like factories than farms. Pigs are crowded so closely with other pigs that they must be given antibiotics from a young age to avoid the spread of infection. According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, American pork producers use 10 million pounds of antibiotics per year to keep their confinement raised pigs from getting sick. That?s more than an estimated three times the amount used to treat all human illnesses. Pigs raised in these "factory farm" conditions, about 95 percent of all of the pigs raised in this country, often don't even have room to turn around in their crates, let alone experience the outdoors. It's stressful and inhumane for them, and it's surely not healthy for us either. We think there's a better way to do things.It's called old-fashioned animal husbandry, which means farmers rely on care, not chemicals, to tend their animals and their land. Pigs raised in this way are not given antibiotics, and their feed does not contain animal by-products. They are free to roam the pasture, to root in deeply bedded barns, and to socialize with other pigs.We believe pigs that are cared for in this way enjoy happier, healthier lives and produce the best pork we've ever tasted. We call pork produced according to these standards naturally raised, and sourcing it for our restaurants is part of a larger mission we've dubbed Food With Integrity, an ongoing quest to source the highest quality food from farmers who care deeply about the welfare of their animals, their land, and their communities. Since 2001, all of the pork served in our restaurants has been from pigs raised in this humane, ecologically sustainable way. In addition to all of our pork, nearly 60 percent of our chicken and more than 40 percent of our beef is naturally raised. And we'll continue until all of our meats in all of our restaurants meet this standard.Once again, naturally raised pork at Chipotle means:? No antibiotics, ever. ? Letting pigs exhibit their natural behaviors in open pasture or deeply-bedded pens.? Vegetarian feed with no animal by-products.Video | Our friend Paul Willis on raising pigs. Courtesy of Blank Park Zoo, Des Moines IAVideo | The Pig Picture. Courtesy of The Humane Farming Association (www.hfa.org). The use of this video does not constitute an endorsement of Chipotle Mexican Grill by the Humane Farming Association.Here are some of our suppliers for naturally raised pork:</div>Go Chipotle!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Ok and im not excusing his actiosn all im saying is that it saddens me as a society that Vick killing dogs is getting more publicity than he would have had he killed his gf or something.</div>OJ Simpson?
 
I think there's a difference between raising animals for food, where they are killed within seconds, and raising dogs to savagely attack eachother for pure entertainment. It's illegal to dog fight, Michael Vick knew this, it shouldn't be justified by comparing to the meat industry.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jul 27 2007, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OJ Simpson?</div>Alright bad example, but Im just trying to say that this issue is being blown up too much and is being treated as if it were a real person<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 27 2007, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think there's a difference between raising animals for food, where they are killed within seconds, and raising dogs to savagely attack eachother for pure entertainment. It's illegal to dog fight, Michael Vick knew this, it shouldn't be justified by comparing to the meat industry.</div> Im not comparing it, all im saying is that we also kill animals, and no matter what the reason killing is morally wrong. Thats all im trying to say, not trying to excuse Vick
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tmgbball15 @ Jul 27 2007, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok and im not excusing his actiosn all im saying is that it saddens me as a society that Vick killing dogs is getting more publicity than he would have had he killed his gf or something.</div> You weren't around during the Ray Carruth incident were you?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tmgbball15 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>not comparing it, all im saying is that we also kill animals, and no matter what the reason killing is morally wrong.</div> Since when is it morally wrong to kill animals for food?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 27 2007, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You weren't around during the Ray Carruth incident were you?</div>I dont know if I knew english back then, I had just gotten to the Us, so I don't know if im correct but was he the guy who got sent to jail for conspiring to kill his gf?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 27 2007, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Since when is it morally wrong to kill animals for food?</div>Killing as a whole is wrong IMO, no matter for what reason
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tmgbball15 @ Jul 27 2007, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Killing as a whole is wrong IMO, no matter for what reason</div>Humans. Need. Food.Native Americans sure didn't think it was wrong. You need some protein in you. If we don't kill to eat, then there will be an overpopulation of all kinds of animals, which is dangerous and they'll end up dieing anyway because there's no food for THEM to eat.It's all part of nature.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tmgbball15 @ Jul 27 2007, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Killing as a whole is wrong IMO, no matter for what reason</div> Then you and Jesus apparently have different morals. Jesus was a notorious killer of fish.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Jul 27 2007, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Humans. Need. Food.Native Americans sure didn't think it was wrong. You need some protein in you. If we don't kill to eat, then there will be an overpopulation of all kinds of animals, which is dangerous and they'll end up dieing anyway because there's no food for THEM to eat.It's all part of nature.</div>Im not saying we should kill animals for food, I love meat, however that doesn't mean that we aren't killing animals, and no matter how nicely it is done it is still inhuman. Vick is messed up for torturing his animals, but killing is still messed up no matter what<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 27 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Then you and Jesus apparently have different morals. Jesus was a notorious killer of fish.</div>
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pigs arent humanely killed they are brutally slaughteredthis is a biased opinion of all people, when sharks or whales or dolphins or dogs are injured people go all sad but then an hour later they go eat meat on their dinner table and they think that the meat just grows on trees or somethingpigs and chickens have it the worst
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junot111 @ Jul 27 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>pigs arent humanely killed they are brutally slaughteredthis is a biased opinion of all people, when sharks or whales or dolphins or dogs are injured people go all sad but then an hour later they go eat meat on their dinner table and they think that the meat just grows on trees or somethingpigs and chickens have it the worst</div> People usually don't care if dumb animals with little personality are killed. Cows, chickens, pigs....but people can't stand the sight of horses, dolphins, whales or dogs/cats being killed.
 
Here is the difference that nobody has addressed through three pages. Dog fighting is characterized by schadenfreude and sadism, where as killing pigs is quotidian and prefunctory. In simpler terms, people who go to dog fights, or are in any way involved in dog fights, do it because they enjoy seeing cute animals getting hurt, whereas those that kill pigs, which are just as smart as dogs, do it as a way of making a living.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junot111 @ Jul 27 2007, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>pigs arent humanely killed they are brutally slaughteredthis is a biased opinion of all people, when sharks or whales or dolphins or dogs are injured people go all sad but then an hour later they go eat meat on their dinner table and they think that the meat just grows on trees or somethingpigs and chickens have it the worst</div>Not the pigs and chickens who get into Chipotle burritos! That's another reason why I like them. A minor reason, but still one...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junot111 @ Jul 27 2007, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>pigs arent humanely killed they are brutally slaughteredthis is a biased opinion of all people, when sharks or whales or dolphins or dogs are injured people go all sad but then an hour later they go eat meat on their dinner table and they think that the meat just grows on trees or somethingpigs and chickens have it the worst</div>chickens have brains the size of walnuts, so they dont' care.As for pigs, while they're smart and aware, it's artificial selection that has made them our food and dogs our pets. The most friendly wolves realized they could survive if they were appealing to humans, and because of that dogs have made a niche with humans and are protected by us. Farm pigs, on the other hand, would not survive in the wild. Neither would chickens or cows. They've gotten to the point where they'll die young either way, so we might as well make them into spare ribs.But this is all irrelevant to me. To me my objection to dog fighting is that there's so much sadism involved.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 27 2007, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd rather fight to live, then just have some guy hack my head off with a machete</div>Yes but it doesn't make the other one right lol, if I gave someone a quick and painless death while my friend killed someone slowly and painfully, at the trial I wouldn't say "well uhh, my kill wasn't as bad so I should get off scott free."
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I think the average food animal isn't tortured all that much. We kill them and put them in our trunks, and most of the time when we kill people we put them in our trunks them kill them. That's worse, isn't it? </p>
 
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