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Pinwheel1 said:
No there wasn't. Nor should they have. JJ and his agent did what they had to do for JJ. They tried to get as much money as possible. The Blazer's had bigger holes to fill than a back up PF and it would have been extremely ignorant to waste it on JJ. $5 million. Cheap.

They agreed to the Trob trade on June 30th and Lopez on July 4th. They did what they had to do as quickly as possible as they still had other needs to fill. Yes, because Robinson's 5 minutes a game will be better than an experienced starter.

Back up PG was at the top of the list. Whether or not Mo was the right move is debatable. So we gave up one of the league's best rebounders, who makes less than half of Batum and a third of Aldridge.

Shooter off the bench was next. Wright has disappointed a little bit, but none-the-less the need was there Our best rebounder. Gone.

Next I would have gone for more size. At the time I wanted to go after Mozgov, but Denver would have matched. (7'1" 270 is still nice to have on your bench-) Hickson is a full 6-9, taller and wider than Robinson.

But with Joel on the team I saw no reason for paying JJ money for a bench role. And at that time who would have traded cap space for our bench players in order for us to clear more space to sign him? At the time who knew Freeland would become 1/10 as good as Hickson as he barely is now, except apparently you?

The priority for JJ just was not at the top of the list. Because Olshey blew it.
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jlprk said:
I just put answers in the quote box.
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No..... you really didn't. You basically just ignored everyone's posts in this thread explaining why we could not have gotten Lopez if we kept JJ. Not sure why you can't comprehend that we needed a true center. Technically we needed two true centers. And as good as JJ is as a back up PF, he is not a true center.

Did Olshey really blow it? I think our record compared to last year's pretty much vindicates his decision on this.
 
Lopez signed July 10 and Hickson signed July 11. Had Olshey not told Hickson to get the fuck out weeks earlier, Hickson would have waited a few days to sign with us.

Your "timing defense" crumbles easily.
 
Hickson sucks cause he's not a blazer.

This poster reserves the right not to apply the same logic to patty mills or zbo.
 
jlprk said:
Lopez signed July 10 and Hickson signed July 11. Had Olshey not told Hickson to get the fuck out weeks earlier, Hickson would have waited a few days to sign with us.

Your "timing defense" crumbles easily.
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I don't think they would've had the cap space to.
 
Hickson NetRtg: 102-105 = -3
Dentver Team NetRtg: 105.1-107.7 = -2.6

I wish the sig figs were better on the player RtG, but it looks like Denver is worse when Hickson plays. Granted, he's been playing against starters a lot as I understand it.
 
STOMP said:
You do know that they're over the cap right? PA's paying the luxury tax (again) while being called cheap by fans of the team :rolleyes2:

STOMP
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Being over the cap doesn't mean he's paying the luxury tax, and PA isn't paying the tax this year. May he after next season? Probably, but that should be a title-contending team.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Ummm, yeah they made it "work" by GIVING us Robin Lopez. I like our GM's approach better. In this case, it's better to receive than to give.

BNM
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I find myself agreeing with you a lot these days. Who would trade RoLo for Evans straight-up right now as an even trade, let alone to trading for Evan's contract, which basically is Batum's contract with an extra year on it.
 
jlprk said:
Lopez signed July 10 and Hickson signed July 11. Had Olshey not told Hickson to get the fuck out weeks earlier, Hickson would have waited a few days to sign with us.

Your "timing defense" crumbles easily.
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The blazers needed to renounce Hickson in order to absorb Lopez's contract. He wasn't "signed", he was traded for. The cap space available last summer was approximately 9 million without Hickson's cap hold of 7.8m. After renouncing Hickson and absorbing Lopez's contract of 5.6m, the blazers would have had to sign Hickson with the available cap space, and there is no way Hickson takes 3.4 million or whatever was left over. It's all about timing dude. It's obvious that the Hickson revisionists were not paying attention this past off season.
 
Baracuda said:
The blazers needed to renounce Hickson in order to absorb Lopez's contract. He wasn't "signed", he was traded for. The cap space available last summer was approximately 9 million without Hickson's cap hold of 7.8m. After renouncing Hickson and absorbing Lopez's contract of 5.6m, the blazers would have had to sign Hickson with the available cap space, and there is no way Hickson takes 3.4 million or whatever was left over. It's all about timing dude. It's obvious that the Hickson revisionists were not paying attention this past off season.
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Please don't confuse jlprk with actual facts. Just let him rant, nod your head, and move on to posters who actually know what they're posting about regarding the CBA.
 
Okay; I was REALLY trying to be graceful and let this thread just go out to sea and let it set sail without ever seeing it again. I actually regretted making it because I didn't know it was going to be such a "Hot-Topic" with homers who only want to listen to one side and not gain a perspective by gaining information from multiple sources that are actually at "Arms-Length" with the Blazers. I simply did not want to create a "Flame-War" nor be looked upon as a "Troll".

I care "ALOT" about the Blazers having followed them since 1974. Doesn't make me better than anyone but I certainly can see trends.

I am going to respond to those people who posted well after I had already let go because the response has been so over-whelming.

Here we go.
 
STOMP said:
You do know that they're over the cap right? PA's paying the luxury tax (again) while being called cheap by fans of the team :rolleyes2:

STOMP
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First of all, you're being loose at best with your associations.

I have not called Allen cheap so that does not pertain to me and my point of view.

I have also stated that Hickson could have been given a QO at 4 million which was a year previous to last and the blazers declined it which would have even made him cheaper this year than matching Denver's offer.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Well, you're half right. We are over the cap by about $2.5 million, but nowhere near luxury tax range. The 2013-14 salary cap is $58.679 million and the luxury tax threshold is $71.748 million. The Blazers payroll is $61.260 million - 23rd highest in the league.

I don't think that makes Paul Allen cheap, and I haven't noticed the fans of the team calling him cheap. Olshey has made some great value pickups (Lopez at $5.1 million this year and a team option for $5.3 million next season is an absolute STEAL). I'm 100% confident that Paul will step up to pay Lillard, Aldridge and anyone else who deserves it. I find it ironic so many posters here say we overpaid Batum, yet you say the fans are calling Allen cheap. You can't have it both ways. Either Batum isn't overpaid, or Allen isn't cheap. I personally believe neither is true. I think Batum got fair market value and Paul Allen is making smarter financial decisions (which benefit the team), but will open his wallet when necessary to keep this team together, and add to it when possible. He got burned big time by Darius Miles and Brandon Roy. I'm glad to see he's learned from those mistakes.

BNM
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There pretty much a consensus that Allen over paid to retain Batum so I don't even find it worthy to argue that point. When looking at the other aspect of your rebuttal, yes, Allen is being cheap and it's a double-edged sword with me. One, I don't blame him because it keep everyone hungry to do better but it's also a knee-jerk reaction from the days when he had a 100 million + payroll when he was desperate for validation. Sorry but business is not a "One way or another" avenue; I can speak on authority that it's much more dynamic than that.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Nice post, rep'd!
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What are you going to do if and when Canzano's correct?

I will admit that I do think that Allen has in a draconian way changed his way of doing things with the blazers so much that I think that he's trying to "Time" the market.

I would LOVE to believe that Allen has "Learned" from his mistakes but you have to go at least 2-14 in making the second round of the playoffs before I can buy that.

Don't get me wrong as I am "Hoping" he proves me wrong. I have continued to be a fan in every shape and form.
 
HCP said:
Who is at "Arms Length" with the team? You?
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With out doing a basic google search, do you even know what that term means?

It's a classic, A Blazer employee attacks any fan who even questions the blazers despite mediocre results in a decade and a half.

I have grandchildren quickly approaching the legal age of driving since Allen won a play-off series.

Get out of here with your inflammatory comments.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
OK. Point being that other teams didn't have cap space to go after players and they in fact got those players. I don't think saying there was" no cap space" automatically excludes the possibility as seems to be suggested here. If it is worth it to make the cap space to be able to sign Hickson is certainly debatable.
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Nice. Well put and a "Balanced" approach.
 
Rhal said:
We never knew how close Indiana was to letting HIbbert walk but his contract was considered "overpaid" when he got it and it sure seemed like Indaina wanted to force us into a S&T and when that didn't work they decided to make a great decision and keep him. Hickson also was out in FA for awhile and no other team really bit on wanting him and he came back to us on a 1 year deal because he seemed to want to start and a lot of money and no one was offering that to him. Going into last year we acquired Robinson and Lopez so quickly it left us with no caproom to sign Hickson with.
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Yes we do because what has happened has actually happened.
 
maxiep said:
This shouldn't turn into a "Hate Hickson" thread as a defense simply because there are posters that wanted to keep him. If we could have made the money work and he would have been happy in his role, I would have loved to have kept JJ. He's Z-Bo with no outside game. He rebounds like a mofo, is crafty around the basket and doesn't play a lick of defense. That is a valuable skill set in this league.

1hf was right when he said for $1.6MM more, Hickson is vastly outproducing Robinson. Others were right when they said this wasn't about Robinson, but rather about Lopez.

I don't think posters hate the guy, and I think it's bullshit when either side crows about a great game or a shit game. At this point in his career, he is what he is. Is it worth three years, $16MM? Probably not to us. I like JJ, I would have preferred to keep him, but I wasn't crestfallen when he left.
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I appreciate your "Balanced" perspective.
 
1honestfan said:
Yes we do because what has happened has actually happened.
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We know they matched that's all we know. Lots of reports came out that they were thinking of letting him walk. Its easy to say now that its a no Brainerd they matched wasn't then.

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1honestfan said:
With out doing a basic google search, do you even know what that term means?

It's a classic, A Blazer employee attacks any fan who even questions the blazers despite mediocre results in a decade and a half.

I have grandchildren quickly approaching the legal age of driving since Allen won a play-off series.

Get out of here with your inflammatory comments.
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Are you on drugs? I simply asked if YOU are at "arms length" from the team? How did this become about me?

How are you being attacked?
 
HCP said:
Are you on drugs? I simply asked if YOU are at "arms length" from the team? How did this become about me?

How are you being attacked?
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Take a look at your posts directed towards me since I joined here and maybe that will provide you with a path of your own actions. When you can be civil to someone that is anything less than 100% on board with everything the blazers do then please let me know. You take it as an insult with the notion that the Blazers are beyond approach.

Please don't be "Laker Fan" when we haven't won anything yet nor won anything in a long time.
 
PapaG said:
Please don't confuse jlprk with actual facts. Just let him rant, nod your head, and move on to posters who actually know what they're posting about regarding the CBA.
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The CB WHAT??? Are you Stern's little brother??
 
1honestfan said:
First of all, you're being loose at best with your associations.

I have not called Allen cheap so that does not pertain to me and my point of view.
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1honestfan said:
yes, Allen is being cheap .
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lol dude. You deride those who legitimately disagree with you (backed up by facts and their reasoning) as lacking perspective and being "homers" yet whine about being attacked. Perspective? Grab a mirror

STOMP
 
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