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What if he turns out to be like this guy

10.1 ppg 8.1 apg 4.4 rpg

8.1 ppg 9.8 apg, 2.6 rpg

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If Marshall shrinks about 4 inches and goes undrafted then we'll have reason to worry. Now, what if Anthony Davis turns out to be like Darius Miles!!??
 
What if he turns out to be like this guy

10.1 ppg 8.1 apg 4.4 rpg

8.1 ppg 9.8 apg, 2.6 rpg

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Give me a point guard that averages 10 and 8, with few turnovers and an adequate defender and I'd be thrilled. It's so hard to put value to a player that is smart and initiates an offense. Marshall can get you 10 and 8, but how many passes before the assist does he make? I know the comparisons have been made numerous times, but every where Andre Miller goes, he makes his team better. Not a superstar, but Marshall would make this head and shoulders better immediately.
 
In a motion offense, Marshall would be really good. He constantly looks for the players on the court with the best chance to score. Having him in a pick and roll type offense would be brutal though.
 
Wouldn't you rather have Ed Cota right now than anything we have? But, his big thing was he was short and at the time of not being drafted had no outside shot. Marshall already has a decent outside shot (which is getting better) and is tall for a PG.
 
Would love to see what they were saying about Felton coming out of college.
 
Would love to see what they were saying about Felton coming out of college.
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Raymond Felton NBA Draft Scouting Report
May 16, 2005
Strengths
Raymond Felton possesses tremendous speed and quickness. With or without the ball, he is one of the fastest guards in the country, college or pro. His explosive quickness allows him to beat defenders off the dribble and dash past defenders in the open court. He can change speeds in an instant and is rarely caught off balance. On the break, he has the ability to rise above the rim and finish strong due to his great vertical. Felton makes up for any lack of size or strength with his superior athleticism. He has shown during his career at North Carolina that he is extremely tough and resilient and able to play through injuries, which were many. Felton never missed a game in college due to injuries.

Felton is a fantastic ball handler, probably the best in the draft. He can get anywhere on the court at any time. Coupled with his relentless attacking style this puts constant pressure on the defense. Felton has the ability to beat defenders off the dribble either to his left or right and does so often. Once in the paint he can finish at the rim with either hand. His speed and ball handling skills make him almost impossible to press against. He splits defenders with ease, using a low fast dribble to his advantage. He always dribbles with his head up looking for open teammates ready to dish at any moment.

Felton is a rare breed these days. He is a true pass first point guard looking to get his teammates involved before looking for his own offense. He has incredible court vision and sees things develop long before they are there. On the break he is deadly. He can make difficult passes look easy and is not scared to make those passes, even in traffic. After beating his man off the dribble he does a great job of drawing defenders then dumping the ball off to open teammates in the paint. Despite all his passing skills, Felton is not a showboat and does not make unnecessary, flashy passes. He gets the right person the ball, in rhythm, at the right time.

When Felton needs to score he can and he showed it throughout North Carolina's title run. His jump shot has improved drastically from last season to this season, going from 31% to 44% (70 out of 159) on 3 point attempts. He is now showing good form with his elbow tucked in, solid follow-through with his hand and good rise and lift going straight up. He has stopped the unnecessary drifting and fading that plagued him during his first two years at North Carolina. Felton is no longer a liability from behind the arc.

On defense, Felton is a tireless worker, showing great energy, desire and anticipation. He has incredibly quick hands which allow him to get to many errant passes or loose balls. He also has exceptionally quick feet and he knows how to get position, which makes him tough to beat off the dribble. His speed, quickness and athletic ability also allow him to guard opponents far from the basket. Felton is a very aggressive defender, often gambling for steals in the passing lanes, although much of this was due to Roy Williams' defensive philosophy. Despite his aggressiveness, Felton does a good job of avoiding fouls. He only fouled out of one game his junior year. Felton also played man to man almost exclusively at North Carolina, which should give him a head start over some guards.

Felton has certain traits that you just can't teach. He is a natural leader, he is very competitive and he is a clutch performer, rising to accept any challenge. He's been a winner at every stage in his basketball career. In high school he won back to back state titles. He scored 45 points in the championship game his senior year. Now you can add a college national championship to that resume.

Weaknesses
At 6'1, Felton is a bit small compared to today's new breed of point guards. He could potentially struggle in the half-court against some of the bigger and stronger point guards in the league. Because of his hard-nosed, relentless style of play he tends to get banged up often. In college, he was able to play through most of these injuries but that could change in the NBA, especially when larger and stronger opponents are factored in. One way that opponents have figured out to slow him down is to knock him down really hard (like in the first Wake Forest game this season), Felton will usually get a little passive if he is consistently being roughed up.

On one hand, the speed at which Felton plays at is one of his greatest strengths; it can also at times be his greatest weakness. He needs to cut down on the turnovers, which are almost always a result of playing too fast or trying to make passes that are too difficult. It sometimes seems that Felton can only play at one speed, which of course is lightning speed. He is going to have to learn to slow down and take what the defense dictates.

As mentioned earlier, Felton drastically improved his outside shooting but he still has much room to grow. He is going to have to show defenders that he can make at least enough outside shots to keep them from doubling off him. While Felton may never be a great 3 point shooter he at least needs to be able to knock down the open ones. Developing a great mid-range game will be more important for Felton than 3 point shooting. With his combination of quickness and ball handling every defender is going to be playing him to drive. If he can become a deadly shooter off the dribble from 15-20 feet he will be almost impossible to guard. Felton needs to also improve his free throw shooting. He shot 70% from the line this season, which for a point guard that has the ball at the end of the games isn't great.

Competition
The starting PG for the national champions. Nuff said? If not, check out the links section for more.

Outlook
Felton's talent is undeniable. He has all the tools to be a terrific point guard. His greatest attributes, such as quickness, speed, leadership, vision and instincts are things that can't be taught. You either have them or you don't. His biggest weaknesses, such as turnovers and shooting are things that are easily improved through hard work and coaching. It's these reasons why Felton, despite being a 3 year college player from a national championship team, still has a lot of room for improvement. His upside is still tremendous.

What team/coach that drafts Felton will have a bigger impact on his success than the other top point guards in the draft. Felton needs to play for a coach that is willing to let him push the ball and play at the speeds he thrives at. In the right system, Felton can be the best point guard in the draft; in the wrong system Felton just might be average.


Facts
2003-2004: First UNC player to ever obtain more than 400 points and more than 200 assists in their freshman season alone.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1sb4AMdAC
http://www.draftexpress.com
 
Damn..... nice work R. Let's try this...... I wonder if the HCP will get multiple blow jobs from hot swanky 20 year old TV crew groupies on this last road trip?
 
^ WELL DONE! But I meant females...... although I do get lonely on the road.
 
Wow, that scouting report was spot on:

On one hand, the speed at which Felton plays at is one of his greatest strengths; it can also at times be his greatest weakness. He needs to cut down on the turnovers, which are almost always a result of playing too fast or trying to make passes that are too difficult. It sometimes seems that Felton can only play at one speed, which of course is lightning speed. He is going to have to learn to slow down and take what the defense dictates.
 
I'm always wary of assist specialists with no jump shot. I love the idea of adding a pure point guard to the team, but he needs to have a serviceable jumper and the ability to create his own shot when needed. If Marshall can do that, I'd seriously consider taking him at #7 if I was the Blazers.
 
So basically Felton has not improved at all since college. Nice.
 
How did Felton even get into this conversation.... he's like a virus :|
 
Damn..... nice work R. Let's try this...... I wonder if the HCP will get multiple blow jobs from hot swanky 20 year old TV crew groupies on this last road trip?
You misspelled "skanky".
 
I'm always wary of assist specialists with no jump shot. I love the idea of adding a pure point guard to the team, but he needs to have a serviceable jumper and the ability to create his own shot when needed. If Marshall can do that, I'd seriously consider taking him at #7 if I was the Blazers.

Then he'd be freaking gone by 7.
 
Give me a point guard that averages 10 and 8, with few turnovers and an adequate defender and I'd be thrilled. It's so hard to put value to a player that is smart and initiates an offense. Marshall can get you 10 and 8, but how many passes before the assist does he make? I know the comparisons have been made numerous times, but every where Andre Miller goes, he makes his team better. Not a superstar, but Marshall would make this head and shoulders better immediately.

Portland won less games with Miller than the previous year (54 wins and #3 seed to 50 wins and #6 seed; 48 wins and #6 seed the following year).

Denver has won fewer games in terms of % then they did last year (50-32 last year/34-28 this year).

So, other than his last two stops, I guess you're right.
 
Portland won less games with Miller than the previous year (54 wins and #3 seed to 50 wins and #6 seed; 48 wins and #6 seed the following year).

Denver has won fewer games in terms of % then they did last year (50-32 last year/34-28 this year).

So, other than his last two stops, I guess you're right.

Cute, but perhaps I'll just leave it with, you get the point...
 
I love Marshall. But, want him with our 2nd lotto pick.
 
Marshall isn't just an empty assist guy -- he, like Rubio, has the ability to make everyone around him better.

UNC fell apart bigtime after Marshall hurt his wrist.

Minnesota is an absurd 5-17 (or so) without Rubio. They fell apart the same way UNC did.
 
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In a motion offense, Marshall would be really good. He constantly looks for the players on the court with the best chance to score. Having him in a pick and roll type offense would be brutal though.

via DX:

Marshall possesses the full slate of passing skills, possessing excellent vision and the ability and willingness to make all types of passes, excelling especially in transition, on pick-and-rolls, and finding open shooters all over the floor. He does a great job reading the floor and finding openings, while being quick to get the ball out of his hands as soon as an opportunity develops, not being as ball dominant a player as one would expect given his gaudy assist numbers.
 
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Yes, he can pass well in the pick and roll, but in the NBA, teams are going to make him shoot the ball by going under the pick. He will struggle

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If the Blazers take Marshall they're going to have to surround him with a lot of catch and shoot guys and put them in motion.

The Pick and roll is predicated on the guard being a threat to stop and shoot it himself forcing a defender to choose between closing out on the ball-handler or staying with the pick setter who (theoretically rolls to the hoop or pops). If Marshall can't shoot it then there's a very real possibility he just turns into another Sergio story ... but if on the other hand he can develop some kind of jumper to keep defenses honest he could be a really good player.

For me it all comes down to value. At 11 I think he's a pretty good bet, at 7 I think there are better players still on the board and I don't want to see the Blazers get too caught up in drafting for need.
 
And that's why I was comparing him to Cota. You can be an assist specialist in college and get by with a dodgy jumper. You can't do it in the NBA. Sergio was a great drive-and-dish guy in his rookie season, but soon teams figured out he couldn't shoot a lick and they back off him, taking away his ability to drive.

People keep comparing him to Andre Miller, but Miller has a pretty solid jumper from about 15 feet and within. He also has a great postup game. Jason Kidd is another guy who didn't have a great outside shot coming out of college, but both he and Miller averaged 7 or 8 points more per game than Marshall.
 
Marshall isn't known for having an offensive game because he doesn't look for his own shot much. He's a traditional pass first PG. Ed Cota was 6'0" with shoes standing on a phone book. Marshall's 6'4".
 

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