My concern about Marshall (1 Viewer)

[Fez Hammersticks]

At UNC he ran the offense and looked to pass every opportunity he got -- in his two season he's averaged about 5 FGA per game. He can develop his jumper much like Andre Miller did.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

And that's why I was comparing him to Cota. You can be an assist specialist in college and get by with a dodgy jumper. You can't do it in the NBA.

Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo seemed to manage it. And Ricky Rubio was doing okay.

Every player has a weakness, it depends on how they compensate for it. I'd rather have a PG who can't shoot than one who does nothing but.

Sergio was a great drive-and-dish guy in his rookie season, but soon teams figured out he couldn't shoot a lick and they back off him, taking away his ability to drive.

Sergio was (a) maddeningly inconsistent, (b) totally invisible on defense, and (c) not really put in a position to succeed. I wish he could've had the chance Rubio's getting.

People keep comparing him to Andre Miller, but Miller has a pretty solid jumper from about 15 feet and within. He also has a great postup game. Jason Kidd is another guy who didn't have a great outside shot coming out of college, but both he and Miller averaged 7 or 8 points more per game than Marshall.

Miller was a player of the year candidate at Utah, lest we forget, and was taken higher (#8 even though he was in the same draft as Baron Davis and Steve Francis, and would've been higher otherwise.) Kidd was seen as a once-in-a-generation talent. (And basically was.) He wasn't just big and a gifted passer, he was incredibly fast and a lockdown defender. However, neither of them had the talent around them that Marshall had, and the job of keeping them all happy.

The most common comparison for Marshall that you haven't mentioned is Mark Jackson. I've never thought of Miller as particularly slow, but Jackson was, and also couldn't shoot. He was also drafted mid-first-round, like Marshall is projected. He did okay, as I recall.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm perfectly fine taking Marshall at 11 (our likely landing spot with our pick) it's when it gets into the top 7 (New Jersey's likely landing spot) that I think the bang for the buck or at least the risk and reward starts to tilt away from Marshall's favor.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Marshall's high school career might give better evidence of whether or not he can score when needed:

Marshall led Bishop O'Connell to the 2010 Virginia Independent Schools Division I championship as a senior. He also led Bishop O'Connell to the semifinals of the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference. He averaged 15.3 points, nine rebounds and six assists as a senior.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm perfectly fine taking Marshall at 11 (our likely landing spot with our pick) it's when it gets into the top 7 (New Jersey's likely landing spot) that I think the bang for the buck or at least the risk and reward starts to tilt away from Marshall's favor.

Who would you take ahead of him that's ranked between 7 and 11 on some mock draft?

 

[Natebishop3]

Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo seemed to manage it. And Ricky Rubio was doing okay.

Kidd averaged close to 16 ppg in college. Marshall didn't even average 10 ppg. Kidd was a pure point guard, but he could also score when needed. His biggest flaw was his inability to shoot the three, which he later addressed.

Rondo might just be exposed next season. It will be the first time we will see him without three future HOFers around him. I think just about anyone could have played the point for Boston and looked good.

Every player has a weakness, it depends on how they compensate for it. I'd rather have a PG who can't shoot than one who does nothing but.

Players that can't shoot don't make it the NBA. Omar Cook? Sergio? Ed Cota?

Sergio was (a) maddeningly inconsistent, (b) totally invisible on defense, and (c) not really put in a position to succeed. I wish he could've had the chance Rubio's getting.

Sergio didn't succeed because he was terrible. The guy had an inconsistent outside shot, yes, but he also couldn't finish that the rim. His offensive skills were severely lacking. He had a great feel for the game, but that was about it. Nate had him as the primary backup for almost a full season and he couldn't do anything with it.

Jackson had the advantage, like Rondo, of playing with some amazing teams. He as on the Knicks with Ewing, and the Pacers with Reggie Miller. The thing is, he was discarded by both teams. Pure point guards are great, if they can also shoot the ball.

John Stockton
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash

There's a reason why most of the "pure" point guards are also HOFers.... because you have to be THAT good to make it in the NBA as a passer, otherwise you're just another Ed Cota.

 

[MickZagger]

Worst case scenario he's Avery Johnson IMO. I think he'll be much better though.

 

[MickZagger]

Kidd averaged close to 16 ppg in college. Marshall didn't even average 10 ppg. Kidd was a pure point guard, but he could also score when needed. His biggest flaw was his inability to shoot the three, which he later addressed.

Rondo might just be exposed next season. It will be the first time we will see him without three future HOFers around him. I think just about anyone could have played the point for Boston and looked good.



Players that can't shoot don't make it the NBA. Omar Cook? Sergio? Ed Cota?



Sergio didn't succeed because he was terrible. The guy had an inconsistent outside shot, yes, but he also couldn't finish that the rim. His offensive skills were severely lacking. He had a great feel for the game, but that was about it. Nate had him as the primary backup for almost a full season and he couldn't do anything with it.

Jackson had the advantage, like Rondo, of playing with some amazing teams. He as on the Knicks with Ewing, and the Pacers with Reggie Miller. The thing is, he was discarded by both teams. Pure point guards are great, if they can also shoot the ball.

John Stockton
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash

There's a reason why most of the "pure" point guards are also HOFers.... because you have to be THAT good to make it in the NBA as a passer, otherwise you're just another Ed Cota.

How many other future NBA'ers did Kidd have to share the limelight with at Cal?

 

[GoBlazersGo]

How many other future NBA'ers did Kidd have to share the limelight with at Cal?

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