My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century concept.

[huevonkiller]

So why are these other schools so incompetent and stupid? In Miami we don't need a new overzealous gun license proposal, we need guns in our schools to protect kids. Statists live in a utopian world where burglars don't target weak and vulnerable targets. Gun licenses don't address the problem very well in the long-run, instead I prefer security guards and allowing people to decide what is acceptable on their property. It is up to property owners to determine what can or cannot come on their property. And people have to defend themselves, not rely on some cop half an hour away.

The state forced people to fund this school where the tragedy occurred, gave the parents of the victims few options aside from sending their children to this gun-free utopia, and then the state completely failed to protect their children because they don't understand protection in the first place.

Instead of an increase in violence, adoption of Florida-style concealed carry policies has been followed by a decline in violence. The extent to which that decline can be attributed to more guns in the hands of law-abiding people in public places remains a matter of much controversy. But one thing seems pretty clear: The fears stoked by opponents of concealed carry liberalization were unjustified. Are there good reasons to think their dark predictions about guns on campus will be any more accurate?

http://reason.com/blog/2008/03/06/are-guns-on-campus-uniquely-da

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

You don't need armed guards at elementary schools. If you believe that, then by extension, you will need armed guards at every single square inch of america.

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

You don't need armed guards at elementary schools. If you believe that, then by extension, you will need armed guards at every single square inch of america.

I agree you don't need armed guards everywhere, but people are freaking out about statistical outliers. So if you were going to do something or you live in fear like most left-wingers I know, I think my elementary school does it right.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

You don't need armed guards at elementary schools. If you believe that, then by extension, you will need armed guards at every single square inch of america.

Perz..If it is worth the cost to protect a retail establishment, is it worth the cost to protect children?

 

[MARIS61]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

You don't need armed guards at elementary schools. If you believe that, then by extension, you will need armed guards at every single square inch of america.

You are correct. Armed citizens erase the need for armed gestapo.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

I agree you don't need armed guards everywhere, but people are freaking out about statistical outliers. So if you were going to do something or you live in fear like most left-wingers I know, I think my elementary school does it right.

Wait, so it's left wingers who live in fear, but it's right wingers who are loading up on guns to protect themselves from threats from burglary, or military attack by our government? Seems to me you have it backwards.

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

Wait, so it's left wingers who live in fear, but it's right wingers who are loading up on guns to protect themselves from threats from burglary, or military attack by our government? Seems to me you have it backwards.

Statistically you're wrong, and I'm being logical so it looks like fear to me. Even if you live in ignorance instead of fear that's not much better.

"Right wingers"are very fearful (which I am not), but they have a superior position on guns.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

statistics on who lives in fear? Really? I'd be interested in seeing those if you can provide them.
As for ignorance or fear, well, I'm just talking to your comment about left wingers living in fear. I might be ignorant of th threat of someone breaking in to my house, and my inability after to get them out without a gun. But I certainly do not live in fear of someone breaking in and killing me with their gun.

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

Perhaps not all left wingers, but in general that's the sense I get.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

the sense you get. solid. are there stats for that? The sense I get is no.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

Perhaps not all left wingers, but in general that's the sense I get.

kind of simple, really

if a house is going to get broken into, is it the one with the left wing sign in the yard or the one that says, "dont worry about the dog, its the owner that carries a gun.."

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

the sense you get. solid. are there stats for that? The sense I get is no.

Actually there are stats for that, predictions allow us to determine which side is fear mongering more.

Conceal carry laws disprove you already, and to me show your side is very illogical.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

kind of simple, really

if a house is going to get broken into, is it the one with the left wing sign in the yard or the one that says, "dont worry about the dog, its the owner that carries a gun.."

I'd love to see a statistic of that.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

Actually there are stats for that, predictions allow us to determine which side is fear mongering more.

Conceal carry laws disprove you already, and to me show your side is very illogical.

conceal carry laws disprove what exactly?

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

conceal carry laws disprove what exactly?

Wow dude read the thread before you post in it. It was mentioned above.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

have read it. What did I say that conceal carry laws disprove here?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

Perz..If it is worth the cost to protect a retail establishment, is it worth the cost to protect children?

no.

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

have read it. What did I say that conceal carry laws disprove here?

You haven't read jack then, don't post lol.

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

no.

I'm fine with this attitude as well, but I don't mind my solution either.

There are banks that are not protected by armed guards, the people their rightfully take a chance with their lives. And that's their decision to make.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

You haven't read jack then, don't post lol.

please show me what I posted that CC disproves. I know you cant, hence your reply. But I await your response.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

no.

really? if there is an armed guard at the local pawn shop, you dont think there should be some security at a school?

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

really? if there is an armed guard at the local pawn shop, you dont think there should be some security at a school?

If they're such extreme statistical outliers, why should we bother, though?

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

please show me what I posted that CC disproves. I know you cant, hence your reply. But I await your response.

Easy, the article I linked to proves your end-of-the-world scenarios don't come true. All the arguments from the statists are stupid and statistically ignorant, they're just emotional.

Once it is shown that your positions have no economic or empirical merit, they are just fear mongering. Statists live in fear, look at Prez and compare his posts to yours.

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

If they're such extreme statistical outliers, why should we bother, though?

You don't have to, or you can.

It's not your choice to make for others.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

ok, whatever you say.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

really? if there is an armed guard at the local pawn shop, you dont think there should be some security at a school?

no. The likelihood of a pawn shop being robbed at gun point is much higher than the likelihood of a shooting at a school. Pawn shops attract that element, elementary schools do not. Keeping kids locked up in the school the entire day with the doors all sealed shut is probably even a better deterrent.

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

You don't have to, or you can.

It's not your choice to make for others.

well, in a democracy, in a way, it is. Not directly, me saying no guns, so guns are outlawed. But I have the right to voice my opinion through a vote the same way people for guns in school do.

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

I think everyone should voice their opinion.

Democracies aren't the best system to me, they ignore natural rights and turn into populism like in Latin America.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

no. The likelihood of a pawn shop being robbed at gun point is much higher than the likelihood of a shooting at a school. Pawn shops attract that element, elementary schools do not. Keeping kids locked up in the school the entire day with the doors all sealed shut is probably even a better deterrent.

well that was the case in CT, but the guy went through the glass..tere were som ebrave teacher that gave up their lives to protect those children...bet they would have been glad to have had a gun or someone on hand with one..

 

[RR7]

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

.tere were som ebrave teacher that gave up their lives to protect those children...bet they would have been glad to have had a gun or someone on hand with one..

Probably so. They would probably also have been glad if guns were illegal, making it unlikely he got those guns from his mom in the first place. Can go both ways after the fact.