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Problem #1: Oden's future is a huge question mark lingering over the franchise. Can't give up on him but can't build around him...

Problem #2: Aldridge needs to play close to the rim to be at his best, which means a Camby-like complimentary big to defend/rebound and play the high post on offense.

Problem #3: Oden clearly is not the player to solve #2 and Camby doesn't have many years left.

Solution: Identify a long-term replacement for Camby, using Oden as very tantalizing trade bait. A big man without an overwhelming inside game is somewhat attainable, albeit not a dime a dozen... Okur and Love types, for example. (I'm not sure about Love's defense, but put him in a good team environment and he may be passable.) I'd have to give some thought to who else out there fits the bill. The point is, this sort of half skill set is reasonably likely to be moved if the price is right.

Oden might just be tempting enough for a team to pull the trigger on. Doing so makes us more balanced, building around Aldridge. The only concern then is the "what if" with Oden ... what if he stays healthy and blows up? Then we have to contend with him. But if we have 5+ years of 30/10 out of Aldridge and 10/10 out of a complimentary high post center, that seems like a risk worth taking.
 
LOL, 30/10 out of Aldridge. I laughed.
 
Wishful thinking, but not unrealistic if he merely maintains his recent level of play, let alone continues to improve.
 
The only big man to have done it in modern history is Shaq. I think it's pretty fair to say Aldridge won't average 30/10. LOL.
 
I'm not opposed to dealing Oden, but I don't think LMA will average those kinds of numbers... maybe 25 and 10 but even that might be a little high.

I'm not sure how much value Oden has right now though. Who could even be considered available?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4qf39m9

That's the only young center that I might think could be available... and only because Washington sucks so bad and they'll probably be looking to add some pieces around Wall.
 
The only big man to have done it in modern history is Shaq. I think it's pretty fair to say Aldridge won't average 30/10. LOL.

Ya, I don't think LA will average 10 rebounds a game.
 
A big man I don't think I've ever seen play much (maybe because he's from the Sixers and we play them only twice a year) and doesn't play many minutes but his numbers per minute have always impressed me is Maresse Speights.
Does anybody know anything about this guy? Why isn't he playing more? what's the 'catch' with this guy? and if there is no 'catch', what would it take for us to get him?
 
Problem #1: Oden's future is a huge question mark lingering over the franchise. Can't give up on him but can't build around him...

Problem #2: Aldridge needs to play close to the rim to be at his best, which means a Camby-like complimentary big to defend/rebound and play the high post on offense.

Problem #3: Oden clearly is not the player to solve #2 and Camby doesn't have many years left.

The premise of your post is sound. LMA does play better when he is in the low post, and Oden is not a high post player.

However if Oden can play (and if he can't his trade value is not going to get the player we need to put us at the next level) then we are better off with him. LMA can still get plenty of minutes down low when Greg sits, and because he is so versatile he can be effective with him on the floor.

There is no doubt that LMA numbers would go down a little if Greg and Roy make it back. (A huge "IF") But that's OK if we are winning.

At least we won't have to listen to the people on this board whine about Nate not running the offense through Greg. LMA was always a better option for that.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Anthony Randolph is worth the risk and could end up being a very solid complimentary player to a guy like LMA. He could end up a total bust because of his maturity issues, but he's also got some nice athleticism and he's got great size for a forward-center prospect. Go ahead and keep Oden and maybe you get 50-60 games/year out of him in a backup role, because I don't believe anybody is going to part with anybody of much value for him, just don't expect him to be any kind of keystone type player, anything he's able to give (assuming he's retained) is gravy.
 
Do you really think Okafor or Kevin Love will make the Blazers championship contenders?

We had the black version of Kevin Love in Zach Randolph already.

Oden is our only chance barring a trade for a SUPERSTAR. We have to gamble he's going to be better.
 
Do you really think Okafor or Kevin Love will make the Blazers championship contenders?

We had the black version of Kevin Love in Zach Randolph already.

Oden is our only chance barring a trade for a SUPERSTAR. We have to gamble he's going to be better.

This is my position. Like it or not, we have to roll the dice on GO.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Anthony Randolph is worth the risk and could end up being a very solid complimentary player to a guy like LMA. .

I agree he is worth the low risk. But I think Handiman was suggesting when he mentioned Okur and Love was that the Big in the High Post have an outside shot. Isn't that Anthony Randolph's weakness? What we need if Oden is unable to go is a young Brad Miller, Sabonis, or Vlade Divac type.
 
Like it or not, we have to roll the dice on GO.
And pay him how much? His agent is probably going to ask for at least $7 million a year for 3 or 4 years. Is he worth it?
 
And pay him how much? His agent is probably going to ask for at least $7 million a year for 3 or 4 years. Is he worth it?

A. Chance Oden recovers and is good enough to make this team a contender - 10%
B. Chance the Blazers get another piece by trading him/letting him expire and using the money on another piece to become a contender - 0.01%

Is it worth $7m a year to go from option A. to option B.?

I am going to suspect for Paul Allen that's a Yes.
 
A. Chance Oden recovers and is good enough to make this team a contender - 10%
B. Chance the Blazers get another piece by trading him/letting him expire and using the money on another piece to become a contender - 0.01%

Is it worth $7m a year to go from option A. to option B.?

I am going to suspect for Paul Allen that's a Yes.

Totally.

And it's a "yes" for me, which is all that really matters... right? :)

Ed O.
 
We had the black version of Kevin Love in Zach Randolph already.
Two big differences:

1) Their numbers are similar, but they're totally different players. Zach would be redundant with the new Aldridge, while Love is very comfortable playing the high post and is a willing passer. I think he would fit very well alongside Aldridge on offense.

2) There wasn't a complimentary player like Aldridge to go alongside Zach, so there's no telling if that pairing could have been championship caliber.

Oden is our only chance barring a trade for a SUPERSTAR. We have to gamble he's going to be better.
I disagree with the first part. I think Aldridge has clearly established himself as having superstar potential. Whether he stays at this level remains to be seen. He has quickly established himself as the best offensive low post player in the league, and probably one of the three or four best F/C's overall (Howard, Dirk, Gasol...), which is basically superstar material. More importantly, though, Oden's potential to be a superstar is exactly why we might be able to get a better fitting piece of value back.
 
Oden will collect and destroy the rim with anything LA or for that matter any of our players miss off bad shots! He's also able to change the whole way an offense comes at us and can give LA longer rests when need be. I see no problem here!
 
I'll be pleasantly shocked if we re-sign Oden for as little as $7M per year. Doing so would make the decision to keep him pretty easy... It's likely to take a $10-12M annual commitment, IMO.
 
Gotta resign Oden if possible. The dice roll is worth the price. But I'd add a long-range threat to the forward/center rotation. Seriously, I'd add someone like Radmonovic or Frye. Both are players who play up near the perimeter, and can draw a forward away from doubling LA.

If only we could also have 2008 LMA to go with 2011 LMA... the two of them would be perfect together! :ghoti:
 
Gotta resign Oden if possible. The dice roll is worth the price. But I'd add a long-range threat to the forward/center rotation. Seriously, I'd add someone like Radmonovic or Frye. Both are players who play up near the perimeter, and can draw a forward away from doubling LA.

If only we could also have 2008 LMA to go with 2011 LMA... the two of them would be perfect together! :ghoti:

I don't think a big who spreads the floor is so important if we got a SF who actually did their job and stretched the floor. One of the biggest reasons this is so important, is because the SF on this team are not holding up their end of the offense. Most teams don't even bother to guard Batum until he gets the ball. The only other true SF beside him, doesn't sniff playing time. It wouldn't be super important if Andre had an outside shot, but he doesn't. So that means the 2 and the 3 have to spread the floor and hit shots. Dante is doing a good job at hitting that quick pop jumper when he gets it. He just lacks size to battle bigs on many nights.
 
Put me down as another yes please! on the chance that Greg could be resigned for 4 years at 7M per

I've zero concerns about a healthy Greg fitting with LA. Those are two talented Bigs that would give every team fits trying to match up against

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A. Chance Oden recovers and is good enough to make this team a contender - 10%
B. Chance the Blazers get another piece by trading him/letting him expire and using the money on another piece to become a contender - 0.01%

Is it worth $7m a year to go from option A. to option B.?

I am going to suspect for Paul Allen that's a Yes.
$7 million a year for a 10% chance that Oden develops into a real player??? Those are extremely long odds, my friend.
 
I'll be pleasantly shocked if we re-sign Oden for as little as $7M per year. Doing so would make the decision to keep him pretty easy... It's likely to take a $10-12M annual commitment, IMO.
No way. That's crazy talk for a guy who has been injured for the last 4 years and missed 2 whole seasons.
 
$7 million a year for a 10% chance that Oden develops into a real player??? Those are extremely long odds, my friend.

We know he has the talent. We do not know if he can get to the place where he takes care of his weight and overcomes the health issues - which is, quite frankly - much shorter odds than getting a superstar in any other way.
 
I would offer him the veteran minimum and let him walk for anything more.
 
I would offer him the veteran minimum and let him walk for anything more.
Which means you're 100% guaranteed to lose him, so why not explore trade options like in the original post? Letting Oden go for nothing would be a complete disaster. Getting a Buck Williams in return makes it much easier to stomach.
 
Which means you're 100% guaranteed to lose him, so why not explore trade options like in the original post? Letting Oden go for nothing would be a complete disaster. Getting a Buck Williams in return makes it much easier to stomach.

Complete disaster from what? As compared to him being a total bust that he currently is? We don't even know if there is anybody who will bother to try to trade for him, or if there are any teams that would even offer him money. The team should always be trying to improve itself, and take whatever route is needed to get to the goal.

Also note, no where in my statement did I say don't trade him. I just said I wouldn't offer him any money more than that to stay here.

IMO offering Oden a contract is about the equivelent of putting a second albatross around the teams neck for the next half decade. So for me it is either offer him a minimal amount or hit the road jack. We already are going to be eating Roy's contract for the next 4 years. How do you think this team will do if Roy and Oden both end up out of the league, but we are paying 20 million out of our cap for them every year for the next 4 years?
 
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