Event My sympathies, Oregonians

[dviss1]

If I had to wait for every dude that has a job, to do with anything I wanted, I'd be sitting on my ass full time.

That's a false choice. You're not choosing between inconvenience and convenience. You're not inconvenienced by waiting an extra minute (literally) to have someone ELSE pump your gas.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's a false choice. You're not choosing between inconvenience and convenience. You're not inconvenienced by waiting an extra minute (literally) to have someone ELSE pump your gas.

He don't want no liberals or minorities pumping his anything!

 

[dviss1]

Seems to work pretty well at the rest of the country - and I do not think that Oregonians are stupider than the rest of the country. I believe they will manage.

Strawman much? I certainly didn't imply that. But it's like this:

Those dumbass orange bicycles. They're an idiotic idea because you're gonna have inexperienced riders, on the streets, without helmets, clogging up traffic.

There's gonna be a learning curve.

People who never pump their gas will be fine doing it, but acting like initially they won't take longer than the guy who does it all day, every day, is against logic.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He don't want no liberals or minorities pumping his anything!

"You keep your nozzle away from my hole!"

*shakes fist angrily*

 

[dviss1]

He don't want no liberals or minorities pumping his anything!

It wouldn't be. It'd be a poor white living in a rural county.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It's going to be weird when we have to pump gas into a car that drives itself. Seems like it should be the other way around. We need self pumping gas.

U wash your own penis don't ya? You do everything else with it yourself.

 

[andalusian]

There's gonna be a learning curve.

People who never pump their gas will be fine doing it, but acting like initially they won't take longer than the guy who does it all day, every day, is against logic.

So, there is a short adjustment period. That's true for any change - and there is no way you can legalize against change - it just happens. It is assumed. But once it is over - it will be more efficient. Trying to pretend it will not is just silly. You move from 2 potential bottlenecks to 1. That's an efficiency upgrade. Simple as that. As long as the adjustment period is short - which it will be, since pumping gas is not complicated - the adjustment period is irrelevant.

 

[dviss1]

But once it is over - it will be more efficient. Trying to pretend it will not is just silly. You move from 2 potential bottlenecks to 1. That's an efficiency upgrade. Simple as that. As long as the adjustment period is short - which it will be, since pumping gas is not complicated - the adjustment period is irrelevant.

This is an assumption. There is no fact behind your statement. Only your assumption.

One thing we KNOW it will do is take away a RURAL job from a poor white. Funny how the conservatives are for this.

 

[H.C.]

There are a growing generation of drivers who don't know how to change a tire on their car because some automakers don't even include a spare now.

You're better than this.

 

[THE HCP]

I do like NOT having to pump my own gas. I did it for years when I was younger working at a car dealership and being in the army. Plus gives guys a job who most likely wouldn’t be able to get one. I always crack myself up when I’m in other states and I pull up to a gas station and just sit there like a fool waiting for somebody to come help me. So this isn’t IN Portland? Just hillbilly areas?

 

[andalusian]

This is an assumption. There is no fact behind your statement. Only your assumption.

Of course. I did not study gas station efficiency with proper data. I do however, believe that I can make an educated assumption - given that I have been designing and implementing large-scale systems for over 20 years now - and efficiency is one of the things I deal with day in and day out.

Basically, unless you can ensure that there is at least one attendant per occupied pump at all times - you are creating a new bottleneck. It's simple math. The moment there is an occupied pump that is not attended by someone - you are in-efficient. Of course, if drivers can pump their own gas - you basically assure that every occupied pump has an available individual to pump that gas.

One thing we KNOW it will do is take away a RURAL job from a poor white. Funny how the conservatives are for this.

Another thing we know is that you are putting a burden on all the poor guys that need to use this station - for waiting and paying for a service that they do not really need. So - are we really creating a benefit here for the population at large? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell.

 

[dviss1]

Of course. I did not study gas station efficiency with proper data. I do however, believe that I can make an educated assumption - given that I have been designing and implementing large-scale systems for over 20 years now - and efficiency is one of the things I deal with day in and day out.

Basically, unless you can ensure that there is at least one attendant per occupied pump at all times - you are creating a new bottleneck. It's simple math. The moment there is an occupied pump that is not attended by someone - you are in-efficient. Of course, if drivers can pump their own gas - you basically assure that every occupied pump has an available individual to pump that gas.



Another thing we know is that you are putting a burden on all the poor guys that need to use this station - for waiting and paying for a service that they do not really need. So - are we really creating a benefit here for the population at large? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell.

This is literally a stupid thing to debate when the end result is job loss.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I do like NOT having to pump my own gas. I did it for years when I was younger working at a car dealership and being in the army. Plus gives guys a job who most likely wouldn’t be able to get one. I always crack myself up when I’m in other states and I pull up to a gas station and just sit there like a fool waiting for somebody to come help me. So this isn’t IN Portland? Just hillbilly areas?

Dude, if you can get a good, well paying and emmy award winning job anyone who is physically capable of pumping gas could get one.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This is literally a stupid thing to debate when the end result is job loss.

How many newspaper delivery boys would there still be in your world?

 

[andalusian]

This is literally a stupid thing to debate when the end result is job loss.

No it is not - if the cost of the job on the economy is larger than gain of keeping it afloat. I believe that many on this site will call me a snow-flake liberal - and compared to many - they are not wrong - I have no problems with higher taxes to benefit the poor - but I am against stupid laws that put an unnecessary burden on the population to create a crutch for little benefit.

 

[dviss1]

How many newspaper delivery boys would there still be in your world?

Weird post. Humans deliver the paper.

 

[dviss1]

No it is not - if the cost of the job on the economy is larger than gain of keeping it afloat. I believe that many on this site will call me a snow-flake liberal - and compared to many - they are not wrong - I have no problems with higher taxes to benefit the poor - but I am against stupid laws that put an unnecessary burden on the population to create a crutch for little benefit.

I'll guess we'll disagree. But to me this is nothing but job loss. There is nothing to be gained in "efficiency" by doing this. Again, it's just a poor white guy in rural Oregon losing his job.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Weird post. Humans deliver the paper.

Not as many as there used to be. Even if there are the point is that jobs come and go.


How about them coal jobs?

Checkmate

 

[dviss1]

Not as many as there used to be. Even if there are the point is that jobs come and go.


How about them coal jobs?

Checkmate

Completely wrong. Silly post again. We're still using as much or more refined gasoline as ever. Also, our #1 export? Refined gasoline.

You are creating a false equivalency between coal jobs and gas pumper jobs. We use coal for different reasons.

 

[andalusian]

Completely wrong. Silly post again. We're still using as much or more refined gasoline as ever. Also, our #1 export? Refined gasoline.

But these jobs are not related to refined gasoline production.

You are creating a false equivalency between coal jobs and gas pumper jobs. We use coal for different reasons.

I believe that the equivalency he is trying to create is that there is a job that is not really needed or beneficial to anyone other than the worker - but the population at large is required to pay for it because of legislation.

Honestly, If the idea is to create jobs that are not really needed - gas pumping is not even an efficient one. We can make it illegal to carry any store-bought goods to one's car or house by himself - instead have the store hire "goods carriers" - just imagine how many jobs we will create! Of course, trucks should be eliminated - we will need a shit ton of horse drivers and farm-hands to maintain said horses if all goods were to be delivered by a horse drawn carriage - etc.. etc..

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Completely wrong. Silly post again. We're still using as much or more refined gasoline as ever. Also, our #1 export? Refined gasoline.

You are creating a false equivalency between coal jobs and gas pumper jobs. We use coal for different reasons.

Oh, I forgot you're Mr. False equivalency. If that doesn't fail, you'll fall back on the dictionary being racist.

I got shit to do, was just killing time while my plastic filler dries.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

But these jobs are not related to refined gasoline production.



I believe that the equivalency he is trying to create is that there is a job that is not really needed or beneficial to anyone other than the worker - but the population at large is required to pay for it because of legislation.

Honestly, If the idea is to create jobs that are not really needed - gas pumping is not even an efficient one. We can make it illegal to carry any store-bought goods to one's car or house by himself - instead have the store hire "goods carriers" - just imagine how many jobs we will create! Of course, trucks should be eliminated - we will need a shit ton of horse drivers and farm-hands to maintain said horses if all goods were to be delivered by a horse drawn carriage - etc.. etc..

I already said the grocery one. I still prefer making the garbage man drag my cans to the curb. I'd prefer he waits until I get in my car to go to work every Friday so I won't have to be bothered.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'll check back later when I'm at the gym. Maybe they'll hire a guy to change the plates for me or adjust my seat on each machine.

 

[dviss1]

But these jobs are not related to refined gasoline production.

True, but the former part is "We're still using as much or more refined gasoline as ever". The latter was just a tidbit of info.

I believe that the equivalency he is trying to create is that there is a job that is not really needed or beneficial to anyone other than the worker - but the population at large is required to pay for it because of legislation.

Honestly, If the idea is to create jobs that are not really needed - gas pumping is not even an efficient one. We can make it illegal to carry any store-bought goods to one's car or house by himself - instead have the store hire "goods carriers" - just imagine how many jobs we will create! Of course, trucks should be eliminated - we will need a shit ton of horse drivers and farm-hands to maintain said horses if all goods were to be delivered by a horse drawn carriage - etc.. etc..

The equivalency is still false and it's still a person losing a job that they had. The price of gas has NOTHING to do with the attendant's pay so the bolded isn't true.

 

[andalusian]

TThe equivalency is still false and it's still a person losing a job that they had. The price of gas has NOTHING to do with the attendant's pay so the bolded isn't true.

Somebody is going to pay for this guy's salary. I can assure you that it is passed down to the customer via gasoline prices.

 

[dviss1]

Somebody is going to pay for this guy's salary. I can assure you that it is passed down to the customer via gasoline prices.

It absolutely is not. Gas prices have absolutely nothing to do with attendant wages.

 

[andalusian]

It absolutely is not. Gas prices have absolutely nothing to do with attendant wages.

Gas stations that do not set their prices based on expenses + markup will not be in business, that's pretty much true for any retail establishment - the owner has to figure out what kind of margins he is willing to live with - and prices will reflect that. To get these margins - true expenses need to be considered - and the attendant salary is part of the expenses - there is no magical free attendant expanses dust in commerce. You can argue that it is not a huge impact on the prices - and you might be right - but the impact is there.

 

[MarAzul]

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"So this isn’t IN Portland? Just hillbilly areas?"

Geez this is an ignorant take! Portland verses Hillbilly areas?
Is this for real?

 

[MarAzul]

You're not inconvenienced by waiting an extra minute

Not really your call. Is it.

 

[MarAzul]

I can forward Maris and Marazul's posts to the DA and based on those they can come and take away their guns.