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On the old imtrailblzaersfan.com Blog, I have been critical of Batum even prior to the Blazers getting hosed on the RFA deal.

I used to get persecuted for stating my opinion about his inconsistent play when the facts only concluded he played when we wanted to play. Reading all the posts on this board, it is nice to see people are waking up and calling for the Blazers to get rid of him.

I guess what bothers me most about his play are a couple of things:

1. He disappears and no one knows where his game goes;
2. He is extremely inconsistent in his play.

If it comes down to Batum over Wes, the Team better keep Wes and let Batum ride off into the sunset. But of course trade him to Minnesota where he really wanted to go and play with Ricky Rubio.
 
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I think playing year round is starting to take a toll on Nic. lets wait till the end of the season to judge him. i honestly think after this road trip he should sit for our homestand against some of the worse teams in the league. we can win all of those games without him
 
I think playing year round is starting to take a toll on Nic. lets wait till the end of the season to judge him. i honestly think after this road trip he should sit for our homestand against some of the worse teams in the league. we can win all of those games without him

Not to discount your comment, but similar things were said about his poor performance on the imamtrailblazersfan.com board.

It is time for the Blazers to be rid of him
 
Nico is one of our best players, period. He has qualities as a point-forward that we don't get otherwise. Can we win without him? Yes, we certainly can but if we didn't have Batum we'd have a worse record season-long and worse chance in the playoffs. Nic isn't the heart of this team but he may very well be the brain. Don't hate on him.
 
Iamatrailblazersfan.com doesn't appear active anymore. We were chosen by the Blazers to replace it.

As far as Batum is concerned, whatever he's been doing has contributed to a sweet record.
 
what "facts" show that he plays only when he wants to play?
I get the general appearance on the surface of being inconsistent, people look at points and see him score 13, then 6, and he's inconsistent! He's the 4th option in our starting lineup, and 5th option, basically, overall. His rebounding, passing, and defense all seem to be there game in and game out, or consistently, if you will. How consistent do we really expect our 5th option to be scoring, when game to game situations change so much?
 
what "facts" show that he plays only when he wants to play?
I get the general appearance on the surface of being inconsistent, people look at points and see him score 13, then 6, and he's inconsistent! He's the 4th option in our starting lineup, and 5th option, basically, overall. His rebounding, passing, and defense all seem to be there game in and game out, or consistently, if you will. How consistent do we really expect our 5th option to be scoring, when game to game situations change so much?

I've never been pissed about his scoring. The missed wide open shots are driving me crazy. This is not the Batum I know and love!

Honestly, if he just drove to the basket more while in his slump, I wouldn't complain.
 
I've never been pissed about his scoring. The missed wide open shots are driving me crazy. This is not the Batum I know and love!

Honestly, if he just drove to the basket more while in his slump, I wouldn't complain.

Yeah it sucks to have the missed shots, but there's just a difference between inconsistent and just being in a shooting slump, which is more what this seems to me.
 
Yeah it sucks to have the missed shots, but there's just a difference between inconsistent and just being in a shooting slump, which is more what this seems to me.

I agree. I think this mainly has to do with his injury, then evolved into a mental block. That's why driving to the hoop and working dunks may get his confidence back.
 
Aren't we undefeated this year without Batum?
 
On the old imtrailblzaersfan.com Blog, I have been critical of Batum even prior to the Blazers getting hosed on the RFA deal.

I used to get persecuted for stating my opinion about his inconsistent play when the facts only concluded he played when we wanted to play. Reading all the posts on this board, it is nice to see people are waking up and calling for the Blazers to get rid of him.

I guess what bothers me most about his play are a couple of things:

1. He disappears and no one knows where his game goes;
2. He is extremely inconsistent in his play.

If it comes down to Batum over Wes, the Team better keep Wes and let Batum ride off into the sunset. But of course trade him to Minnesota where he really wanted to go and play with Ricky Rubio.

Do you want me to list the names of those posters who are either banned from S2, never bothered to show up, or just went inactive?? or shall you? I remember at least a couple of them.
 
This criticism of Nic is just getting retarded...
 
This criticism of Nic is just getting retarded...
Agreed. This forum always needs a scapegoat for something and nico seems to be a popular one at the moment.
 
Batum for Monroe.

DO IT!

4 month rental? No thanks

The dream to resign him this summer is absolutely ludicrous. He's going to get at least 12-13 mil. Even if we release every player but our starter free agents, that leaves us around 8 mil to give out.

Only trading Batum for Monroe and expiring will do it. Then who do we have play 3? Crabbe is decent for spurts, but he ain't ready for the big stage.
 
Honestly, if he just drove to the basket more while in his slump, I wouldn't complain.

Last time he did that he got Ariza'd.

I appreciate the fans who appreciate the nuances of team basketball enough to appreciate Batum's contributions and value to the team, his teammates, and the team's success. I'm sure his teammates appreciate him as well.

:cheers:
 
I love Nico's game. He fills in all the missing pieces.
 
Last time he did that he got Ariza'd.

I appreciate the fans who appreciate the nuances of team basketball enough to appreciate Batum's contributions and value to the team, his teammates, and the team's success. I'm sure his teammates appreciate him as well.

:cheers:

I actually really appreciate what Batum does for this ball club. I don't harp on the silly things like "padding assists, gambling, or not being aggressive on the offensive end". Batum just needs to add a efficient 2 point shot so he can get through his slump".

Getting "Ariza'd" was on a break, which he would have done regardless. He was wide open on a fast break and I don't see him doing anything else. If you are playing to "save yourself from injury" being timid on the offensive end, then you absolutely become a liability. If Batum had a post up game, slash moves and a decent mid range shot, he won't be an offensive liability when his 3 isn't falling.
 
I love Nico's game. He fills in all the missing pieces.
He defers and does whatever is needed. Then gets ripped for it.

I agree his shooting slump is worrisome. Batum has hit many huge shots for us and we are going to need that. Hating a guy for being in a shooting slump seems kind of harsh.
 
He defers and does whatever is needed. Then gets ripped for it.

I agree his shooting slump is worrisome. Batum has hit many huge shots for us and we are going to need that. Hating a guy for being in a shooting slump seems kind of harsh.

This same shit happened to Matthews last season when he went on a major shooting slump mid season.
 
On the old imtrailblzaersfan.com Blog, I have been critical of Batum even prior to the Blazers getting hosed on the RFA deal.

Well, congratulations to you on being consistent - consistently wrong.

You started your post with a false premise without any facts to back it up.

Here's some facts for you:

Portland did not get "hosed on the RFA Deal". The season before Nic signed the deal, he was 46th in the league in scoring. The contract made him the 49th highest player in the league. And, this is for a player whose primary strength is not scoring. He was paid fair market value at the time of the signing and has been a relative bargain since. If anyone got hosed, it was Minnesota. They put in the time and effort to determine Batum's fair market value and then got absolutely nothing out of it. Ask Minnesota how not getting Batum worked out for them.

Yeah, Nic is in a shooting slump right now, but that's hardly a reason to dump the guy. He does so many more things that helps this team win. Last season, Nic was tied for 16th in the entire NBA in defensive rebounds. The only other small forward to make the top 20 was a guy named Durant. Yeah, we'd all love to have him, but Kevin Durant is not walking through that door.

Nic was also 13th in the entire league in VORP (Value Above Replacement Player) last season. Good luck finding anyone in the top 12 that's available and makes less money.

Nic averaged 7.5 rpg and 5.1 apg game last season. There were only two other players in the entire league last season that averaged over 7 rpg and 5 apg. They were Kevin Durant and Joakim Noah.

With the addition of Kaman, Nic's rebounding is down from last season, but he's still averaging 5.6 rpg and a career high 5.2 apg. He's one of only 5 players in the entre league average over 5.5 rpg and 5 apg. The others are James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo and Michael Carter-Williams. Nic is also averaging a career high 1.3 spg.

And, we haven't even touched on his defense. The ability to put him on PGs during the 4th quarter of close games has won us multiple games this season.

Yeah, he's in a shooting slump right now and his scoring is down. Sure, we could find someone who could score more from the starting SF position, but they'd just be taking shots away from Aldridge, Lillard and Matthews. Good luck finding someone who scores more AND does all the other things Nic does that helps this team win. And, in case you haven't noticed, this team has done a whole lot of winning we "got hosed on the RFA deal".

I used to get persecuted for stating my opinion about his inconsistent play when the facts only concluded he played when we wanted to play.

WTF does that even mean???? What "facts" conclude "he played only when he wanted to play"? Since he signed that deal, he played 73 games at 38.5 MPG followed by 82 games at 36.0 mpg. He also averaged 41.7 mpg during the playoffs last season. Sounds like he played a whole lot of minutes, whether he wanted to or not.

He also showed up big time in the playoffs last season when he averaged 15.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg and 4.8 apg. Not bad for a 4th option. No way we win that Houston series without Nic.

I guess what bothers me most about his play are a couple of things:

1. He disappears and no one knows where his game goes;
2. He is extremely inconsistent in his play.

It's not really a "couple of things". You said the same thing twice, and it's not his game that's inconsistent, it's his scoring that comes and goes. You get the rebounding, passing and defense on a nightly basis.

If it comes down to Batum over Wes, the Team better keep Wes and let Batum ride off into the sunset. But of course trade him to Minnesota where he really wanted to go and play with Ricky Rubio.

Why wouldn't we keep them both? We will hold their Bird Rights and can resign them for as much as we want regardless of the cap situation. And please, stop with the rhetoric. Who, exactly, is Minnesota going to trade us that would help us win more right now than Nicolas Batum? If you're going to suggest nonsensical trade ideas, at least fill in the other half of the equation.

BNM
 
Trade Batum and offer Jimmy Butler a toxic contract, although the way he's playing, i doubt the Bulls give him up for anything.
 
I remember when people used to say Batum was the next Scottie Pippen.
 
Trade Batum and offer Jimmy Butler a toxic contract, although the way he's playing, i doubt the Bulls give him up for anything.

And end up with Allen Crabbe as our starting SF. That sounds like a very Minnesota-like move. No way Chicago doesn't match, we lose Batum and end up with nothing to show for it.

BTW, I'm completely stunned by Butler's offensive improvement. I didn't see that coming. He's gone from 13.1 ppg on .397 FG% to 21.9 ppg on .489 FG%. I keep wondering if he can sustain this for an entire season.

BNM
 
I remember when people used to say Batum was the next Scottie Pippen.

Big deal. I remember when a regular poster used to say Viktor Khryapa was the next Scottie Pippen. Just because someone said something doesn't make it true.

BNM
 
Just as an aside, Nic has a bad hand and fingers which causes a problem on the follow his through. It is coming back however.

Did anyone notice that CJ's shot also had the same problem last night. His shots were not quite reaching the net because of it.

just my opinion however.
 
And end up with Allen Crabbe as our starting SF. That sounds like a very Minnesota-like move. No way Chicago doesn't match, we lose Batum and end up with nothing to show for it.

BTW, I'm completely stunned by Butler's offensive improvement. I didn't see that coming. He's gone from 13.1 ppg on .397 FG% to 21.9 ppg on .489 FG%. I keep wondering if he can sustain this for an entire season.

BNM

Look at his FTA, too. He's a beast to handle once he's in close.
 

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