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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>A source close to the Nets front office told TKB that the team would most definately accept a Knicks offer of Nate Robinson in exchange for forward Sean Williams.</div>

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2008/08/13/ne...-williams-swap/

I like the trade. Gives us instant offense and gives us a versatile back-up point guard.
 
Nooooooooooooooooooooo

Wow, Nate Robinson is just terrible. That would be the worst possible trade you could find. I don't know if I could follow the team after pulling shit like that.


First passing on Bayless, then trading Sean for shit? Fucking ridiculous.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>however a phone call from Donnie Walsh has yet to be made.</div>
And I hope it never is made
 
why not though i think he's a great player, a scorer which we need and we give them one of our bigs, its not like we have limited PF in this team.
 
Nooooooooo thank you.

First of all the Nets would never trade Williams to the Knicks out of fear he can develop into a player that would make them look like idiots and the Knicks geniuses.

Second, not crazy about Nate on this team.

I rather trade Williams for Crittenton or Lowry.
 
Tiny shooting guard. I'd rather keep Sean Williams for defense.

The Knicks will love this trade. I don't see the reason for the Nets.

Not a terrible trade, but why help your rivals.
 
That would be goddamn miserable. Nate Robinson can hit the 3 on occasion, and can dunk. That's it.
 
This trade is stupid. I refuse to trade with the Knicks. This is our competition for Lebron. No thanks.

Nate aint that good anyway. The other thing is why would D'antoni trade away "Want-to-be-Barbosa". That is his type of player.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Aug 13 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This trade is stupid. I refuse to trade with the Knicks. This is our competition for Lebron. No thanks.

Nate aint that good anyway. The other thing is why would D'antoni trade away "Want-to-be-Barbosa". That is his type of player.</div>
he would trade a want-to-be-barbosa for someone who is compared to amare
 
I'm curious as to just how hard the Nets source was laughing when he relayed that information.
 
Don't like it at all. Plus, it goes against the whole "character team" mantra they've been selling.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheKidHypno @ Aug 13 2008, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Aug 13 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This trade is stupid. I refuse to trade with the Knicks. This is our competition for Lebron. No thanks.

Nate aint that good anyway. The other thing is why would D'antoni trade away "Want-to-be-Barbosa". That is his type of player.</div>
he would trade a want-to-be-barbosa for someone who is compared to amare
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Did someone here compare him to amare?
 
i dont think thorn is that stupid... this is would be a horrible trade..
 
I have no problems with people not liking this trade. However, many of you are misguided if you think Nate is “terrible”, or Sean Williams is the next Amare (which is rather laughable).

In addition to being instant offense and energy off the bench, Nate’s decision making has improved, making him more than serviceable for your team. The Nets’ PG position is also somewhat thin. After Keyon Dooling (whom Nate is better than), there is no other PG. While adding depth, the Nets subtract from their mini glut of big men: Brook Lopez, Josh Boone, Ryan Anderson, Stromile Swift (a carbon copy of Sean Williams), and Yi (who will probably play a lot of 4-5).

And saying that Nate is a player that only dunks and hits the occasional three is vastly underrating him. He’s actually prone to numerous scoring outbursts (ex: when he dropped 45 on Portland). Considering the Nets lost their leading scorer in Jefferson, Nate should contribute in that aspect. Another intangible Nate brings to the table is energy, which is often the catalyst for many Knick runs, as the crowd responds well to Nate.

And for those who think Nate is a distraction and immature, need to do some research on Sean Williams’ troubled past.
 
The trade sounds like the hopeful wishings of someone that writes a blog.

Biggest mistake in the proposal is thinking Nets management would risk looking like idiots for giving Sean to the Knicks and he later turns into a very good player. They are not that stupid.

Nate is Nate, he's a known commodity... a bench player. If they trade Sean it will be for another player with "potential" like Crittenton or Lowry or as part of bigger package.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Aug 13 2008, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have no problems with people not liking this trade. However, many of you are misguided if you think Nate is “terrible”, or Sean Williams is the next Amare (which is rather laughable).

In addition to being instant offense and energy off the bench, Nate’s decision making has improved, making him more than serviceable for your team. The Nets’ PG position is also somewhat thin. After Keyon Dooling (whom Nate is better than), there is no other PG. While adding depth, the Nets subtract from their mini glut of big men: Brook Lopez, Josh Boone, Ryan Anderson, Stromile Swift (a carbon copy of Sean Williams), and Yi (who will probably play a lot of 4-5).

And saying that Nate is a player that only dunks and hits the occasional three is vastly underrating him. He’s actually prone to numerous scoring outbursts (ex: when he dropped 45 on Portland). Considering the Nets lost their leading scorer in Jefferson, Nate should contribute in that aspect. Another intangible Nate brings to the table is energy, which is often the catalyst for many Knick runs, as the crowd responds well to Nate.

And for those who think Nate is a distraction and immature, need to do some research on Sean Williams’ troubled past.</div>

Thank you, thats why i like nate and i think would be good as a back-up. And he goes great as a high energy back-up and we need to get rid of sean before his stock drops even lower, even though we can wait till his stock goes higher(hopefully). I for one would rather have a high energy small player that an lazy and undersized big. Also at this time shooters are more valuable to us than bigs.
 
Nate Robinson is not a basketball player. He is a dominant, elite athlete who figured out how to use that to make a living playing basketball. His head is already bonking against his ceiling. Trading a prospect like Sean for him is idiotic.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 13 2008, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The trade sounds like the hopeful wishings of someone that writes a blog.

Biggest mistake in the proposal is thinking Nets management would risk looking like idiots for giving Sean to the Knicks and he later turns into a very good player. They are not that stupid.

Nate is Nate, he's a known commodity... a bench player. If they trade Sean it will be for another player with "potential" like Crittenton or Lowry or as part of bigger package.</div>

potential can't be shown if he never gets any PT. We have many bigs and with Yi starting and Boone and Swift and Najera backing up, how much time can he get.
 
I don't see one strong starter in that group, so it seems to me that the Nets have a great situation for someone like Sean. The opportunity is certainly there if he wants to take advantage of it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 13 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nate Robinson is not a basketball player. He is a dominant, elite athlete who figured out how to use that to make a living playing basketball. His head is already bonking against his ceiling. Trading a prospect like Sean for him is idiotic.</div>

Not true. Nate can shoot the ball, can play defense, has improved on his passing and his bball iq and is an improvement for both the 1 and the 2 backups we got. And this year will be the first year he actually has any sort of coaching, even though Frank isn't known as a developer.

And Sean is basically what you described. He hasn't hit his ceiling yet but he's not gonna be great.
 
No, it is true. Everything Nate does well is because he is physically more gifted than his opponent. His game has gaping holes that will never improve. Truth is Nate isn't worth that much. He can be gotten for much less than a premium prospect like Sean.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Aug 13 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have no problems with people not liking this trade. However, many of you are misguided if you think Nate is “terrible”, or Sean Williams is the next Amare (which is rather laughable).

In addition to being instant offense and energy off the bench, Nate’s decision making has improved, making him more than serviceable for your team. The Nets’ PG position is also somewhat thin. After Keyon Dooling (whom Nate is better than), there is no other PG. While adding depth, the Nets subtract from their mini glut of big men: Brook Lopez, Josh Boone, Ryan Anderson, Stromile Swift (a carbon copy of Sean Williams), and Yi (who will probably play a lot of 4-5).

And saying that Nate is a player that only dunks and hits the occasional three is vastly underrating him. He’s actually prone to numerous scoring outbursts (ex: when he dropped 45 on Portland). Considering the Nets lost their leading scorer in Jefferson, Nate should contribute in that aspect. Another intangible Nate brings to the table is energy, which is often the catalyst for many Knick runs, as the crowd responds well to Nate.

And for those who think Nate is a distraction and immature, need to do some research on Sean Williams’ troubled past.</div>

Point 1: Stromile Swift is not a carbon copy of Sean Williams. That's nuts.

Point 2: As someone who had their doubts about Sean Williams, his troubled past has not followed him from Boston College to the Nets.

Point 3: Never, ever trade a young big with potental for an undersized point gaurd with less potental. I like Nate, but if you watned to take a few expiring contracts back for Nate instead of Sean, then I might like the idea of Nate Robinson being a Net.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Aug 13 2008, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have no problems with people not liking this trade. However, many of you are misguided if you think Nate is “terrible”, or Sean Williams is the next Amare (which is rather laughable).

In addition to being instant offense and energy off the bench, Nate’s decision making has improved, making him more than serviceable for your team. The Nets’ PG position is also somewhat thin. After Keyon Dooling (whom Nate is better than), there is no other PG. While adding depth, the Nets subtract from their mini glut of big men: Brook Lopez, Josh Boone, Ryan Anderson, Stromile Swift (a carbon copy of Sean Williams), and Yi (who will probably play a lot of 4-5).

And saying that Nate is a player that only dunks and hits the occasional three is vastly underrating him. He’s actually prone to numerous scoring outbursts (ex: when he dropped 45 on Portland). Considering the Nets lost their leading scorer in Jefferson, Nate should contribute in that aspect. Another intangible Nate brings to the table is energy, which is often the catalyst for many Knick runs, as the crowd responds well to Nate.

And for those who think Nate is a distraction and immature, need to do some research on Sean Williams’ troubled past. </div>

I think Nets fans would know more about Sean Williams' "troubled past". Just because he was one of the few basketball players actually caught smoking, doesn't mean he's a disruption to the team. Like Nate.

You see, Nate plays absolutely no defense. And with the exception of Hayes and Yi, which fill the spots Frank's used to of the wing and one big who play pretty bad defense, everyone on this team is/can be a solid defender, at the least. I don't think management or Frank would want him on the team. Also, he's a malcontent and fights with teammates. Not the type of team management is trying to make.

The only thing I see from Nate is that he's fast, short, can dunk, and can knock down the occasional 3 (sometimes shooting too much).


And to say Nate is better than Keyon is laughable. Wow. Yeah, when was the last time Nate was on a winning team? When was the last time Nate actually played defense? Heh.

Btw, Sean is not a "carbon copy" of Stromile Swift (you had it backwards btw, Stro is older, therefore cannot be the "copy" of the younger player).

And the only people I've seen compare Sean to Amare are John Lucas, who worked with Sean extensively and watched him play more than you ever have, obviously...and Bruce Ratner.
 
Swift for Nate would be a hell of a lot closer (and yes I know salaries don't match).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (netsking @ Aug 13 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 13 2008, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The trade sounds like the hopeful wishings of someone that writes a blog.

Biggest mistake in the proposal is thinking Nets management would risk looking like idiots for giving Sean to the Knicks and he later turns into a very good player. They are not that stupid.

Nate is Nate, he's a known commodity... a bench player. If they trade Sean it will be for another player with "potential" like Crittenton or Lowry or as part of bigger package.</div>

potential can't be shown if he never gets any PT. We have many bigs and with Yi starting and Boone and Swift and Najera backing up, how much time can he get.
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Swift isn't getting any playing time.

And the point was that Sean already has shown potential and Thorn will take a risk on another player with potential (like Crittenton or Lowry) rather than a player with a lower ceiling like Nate.

Thorn can't be criticized for making a trade of "potential" for "potential" if Sean explodes with another team. He can be ripped apart for trading "potential" to his biggest rival for a "role player" if Sean explodes with the Knicks. Especially since Sean is an athletic big.
 
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