Nate pissing me off in July

[HOWIE]

So our Cho, Buchanan and Borne are all dumbasses because they all said we were 1 or 2 pieces away? All of our upper management said we needed to add pieces, but Nate dismissed it.

I'm guessing that he didn't get the memo or maybe Nate doesn't want to admit his team is a piece or two away from really being a elite team in the NBA. The way Portland drafted and the signing of Mathews one would think that a trade is coming down the pike, hard to believe that Nate doesn't see that.

 

[STOMP]

Nate really can't hold a clipboard with his arms constantly folded.

And if you think Nate won't have A LOT of input on making trades or not, and who to trade, you are wrong.

just wow... way to completely miss my point.

Saying "we are close" or "we need to tweek a little" isn't lowering anyons value. Saying "I don't want trades" when everyone else in the free world knows we need 1 or 2 is dumb.

I don't think Portland needs to make a move to be a contender. What they need is an extended run of health from their rotation. Of course they should make a move to improve the club if a sensible option becomes available, but their roster is deep, talented and seems to have pieces that fit well together. If you're referencing Rudy, his trade value is piss poor and he could rot on the end of the bench without much consequence. I've read multiple other posters saying this same stuff, writers too... laughable that you think everyone in the free world agrees with you but (insert Forest Gump quote here)

STOMP

 

[Mediocre Man]

just wow... way to completely miss my point.

I don't think Portland needs to make a move to be a contender. What they need is an extended run of health from their rotation. Of course they should make a move to improve the club if a sensible option becomes available, but their roster is deep, talented and seems to have pieces that fit well together. If you're referencing Rudy, his trade value is piss poor and he could rot on the end of the bench without much consequence. I've read multiple other posters saying this same stuff, writers too... laughable that you think everyone in the free world agrees with you but (insert Forest Gump quote here)

STOMP

I don't recall seeing anything written about not needing to make a move. We disagree on needing to make a move. Our roster is deep, and full of average players from 2-15. Oden MIGHT be special, but he's not right now. Our PG is not suited for this offense. Our PF is not suited to be a second scoring option on a very good team.

I will not change my point of view unless this team, as is, wins a title. So you can keep responding to my posts with boarderline insults, but I still don't think we can contend for a title with this roster. You do, and that's great as well.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Saying "we are close" or "we need to tweek a little" isn't lowering anyons value. Saying "I don't want trades" when everyone else in the free world knows we need 1 or 2 is dumb.

Saying "We are close" or "We need to tweak a little" could irritate and/or alienate the players. Most athletes are ego-driven. They often believe they're better than they are. They often believe their team is better than it is. I would venture to say that most of the Blazers players--much like many of the posters--believe that the team is a title-contender if healthy. Nate saying that we're not could be perceived by the players as a negative commentary and their ability and create unwanted tension or even resentment between his players and himself. He, as the coach, is better off saying that he thinks his players are good enough to win it all right now.

 

[STOMP]

I will not change my point of view unless this team, as is, wins a title. So you can keep responding to my posts with boarderline insults, but I still don't think we can contend for a title with this roster. You do, and that's great as well.

you mean like calling anyone who disagrees with you "dumb"?

pot meet kettle

STOMP

 

[Mediocre Man]

Saying "We are close" or "We need to tweak a little" could irritate and/or alienate the players. Most athletes are ego-driven. They often believe they're better than they are. They often believe their team is better than it is. I would venture to say that most of the Blazers players--much like many of the posters--believe that the team is a title-contender if healthy. Nate saying that we're not could be perceived by the players as a negative commentary and their ability and create unwanted tension or even resentment between his players and himself. He, as the coach, is better off saying that he thinks his players are good enough to win it all right now.

We disagree also, and that's cool. I understand I am alone, or all but alone in this. Maybe Nate shouldn't come out and say that we need to get better defensively then? Wouldn't that alienate some players? I certainly don't think he should come out and say "We need an upgrade at PG to be a contender", but for a coach to say "we are close" should be totally fine.

 

[Mediocre Man]

you mean like calling anyone who disagrees with you "dumb"?

pot meet kettle

STOMP

Nate is dumb. Posters who say it are just uninformed.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We disagree also, and that's cool. I understand I am alone, or all but alone in this.

My opinion of whether or not they're title caliber doesn't factor in here.

Maybe Nate shouldn't come out and say that we need to get better defensively then? Wouldn't that alienate some players? I certainly don't think he should come out and say "We need an upgrade at PG to be a contender", but for a coach to say "we are close" should be totally fine.

I think there's a significant difference between commenting on the performance of the players ("We need to play better") and commenting on the content of the roster ("We need better players"). It's his job to make them play better and to point out how they can do so is completely within the purview of his responsibilities.

 

[e_blazer]

Nate is dumb. Posters who say it are just uninformed.

Very true. Perhaps you should change your name to "Uninformed Man".

 

[mgb]

I don't think we have to make a move. If a great deal came along I would go for it, but there is no reason to rush anything. We will improve just by playing together another year and by being healthy. I wouldn't be unhappy if we stood pat.

We should have a poll. Need a trade definitely, don't want a trade, if a great trade came along ok, but otherwise stand pat.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

So our Cho, Buchanan and Borne are all dumbasses because they all said we were 1 or 2 pieces away? All of our upper management said we needed to add pieces, but Nate dismissed it.

Relax. Their job is to get the hype machine going when no one gives a hoot, and conversely, to lower expectations when they're through the roof. The latter is the current case.

It has nothing to do about whether they are "dumbasses" or not.

 

[MARIS61]

So our Cho, Buchanan and Borne are all dumbasses because they all said we were 1 or 2 pieces away? All of our upper management said we needed to add pieces, but Nate dismissed it.

Probably because he's had 3 sets of management teams now saying the same exact BS but none of them has ever followed through on it at all and this team is still weaker than the Blazers of pre-blowup years.

1 or 2 pieces might get us to the 2nd round, but only if they are an allstar PG and a dominating PF.

Steve Nash and Zach Randolph would be wise goals.

Our biggest problem seems to still be finding a top guard who Brandon can play with. He's burned through about 7 or 8 so far but it's always something wrong with them.

New managers = loss of current vision/plan and a change of direction in player selection and style of play.

Prepare to be unimpressed. Again.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Great. The new GM hasn't had time to find his assigned parking space, and Nate is already sending a message "we aren't on the same page!"

Happy-happy-joy-joy.

 

[MARIS61]

And if you think Nate won't have A LOT of input on making trades or not, and who to trade, you are wrong.

Saying "we are close" or "we need to tweek a little" isn't lowering anyons value. Saying "I don't want trades" when everyone else in the free world knows we need 1 or 2 is dumb.

Nate has no input anymore. That's obvious from his coaches being fired out from under him and him being ordered to bring in a nanny (Bickerstaff?) to tell him how to coach.

Saying "I don't want trades" is his way of saying "I don't want these particular idiots making any trades and making this team weaker than it already is."

 

[Mediocre Man]

Great. The new GM hasn't had time to find his assigned parking space, and Nate is already sending a message "we aren't on the same page!"

Happy-happy-joy-joy.

The good news is that Cho's spot is probably a lot closer than KP's was towards the end.

 

[OddEnormous]

Saying "We are close" or "We need to tweak a little" could irritate and/or alienate the players.

The first thing Cho said was that we need 1 or 2 pieces. The players must all be in tears today.

Great start Cho.