NBA admits mistake (1 Viewer)

[magnifier661]

Sorry, I was kind of wrong in my explanation.

Say the goaltend is reviewable. In the event of a goaltend, the ball goes to the other team. But in the event of a block, the ball is live and up for grabs. What happens when the call is reviewed and the goaltend is removed? Who do you give the ball to? You just said the ball was blocked but you can't determine who has possession because the goaltend was called on the floor.

No I get that but Portland had possession of the ball. In that circumstance; he had possession either way. Nate could have called a timeout and asked for a review.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Sorry, I was kind of wrong in my explanation.

Say the goaltend is reviewable. In the event of a goaltend, the ball goes to the other team. But in the event of a block, the ball is live and up for grabs. What happens when the call is reviewed and the goaltend is removed? Who do you give the ball to? You just said the ball was blocked but you can't determine who has possession because the goaltend was called on the floor.

Wallace already had the ball when the whistle was blown. In cases like that, where possession is determined before the official stops play, that team keeps possession (if the goaltending is overturned). In situations where the ball is loose when the whistle blows and the goaltending is overturned, jump ball at the free throw circle of the side where the block occurred. Only review goal tends that are called, not blocks that are not called goaltends.

 

[PapaG]

That play was really, really close, so I don't have any real heartburn with a ref getting it wrong. That's going to happen in basketball and it's a part of the game. What I do have a problem with is what many others have said, in such a critical situation why does Foster, the ref farthest from the play and at an angle that would make it impossible for him to know whether it was a block or not, make the call when the two refs who were closer and in better position don't? I know that the NBA doesn't make it's discipline decisions with the refs public, but I really hope Foster gets a fine or some other form of punishment for this.

My biggest complaint is if it is that close, as an official, you shouldn't blow the whistle unless you definitively see a foul or a violation. Something caused Scott Foster to make up a call standing near mid-court. A call that replay shows was an incorrect call, and a call the cost the Blazers a second win against the team with the best record in the NBA. Any other sport outside of the farce called the NBA, and people would be outraged. Problem is, in the NBA, this sort of thing isn't unusual.

 

[B-Roy]

Wallace already had the ball when the whistle was blown. In cases like that, where possession is determined before the official stops play, that team keeps possession (if the goaltending is overturned). In situations where the ball is loose when the whistle blows and the goaltending is overturned, jump ball at the free throw circle of the side where the block occurred. Only review goal tends that are called, not blocks that are not called goaltends.

I know that, but technically the play stops when the goaltend is called. So Wallace technically has possession after the play stops. That's unfair to the other team.

A jump ball is also stupid. I hate guesstimate jump balls like the ones that happen when officials genuinely aren't sure of a call. Inherently unfair.

 

[B-Roy]

No I get that but Portland had possession of the ball. In that circumstance; he had possession either way. Nate could have called a timeout and asked for a review.

The play stops at the goaltend, regardless of WHEN the whistle was called, and I'm sure you'd be screaming unfair if roles were reversed.

 

[THE HCP]

Harden actually got the ball as the play was blown dead.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I know that, but technically the play stops when the goaltend is called. So Wallace technically has possession after the play stops. That's unfair to the other team.

A jump ball is also stupid. I hate guesstimate jump balls like the ones that happen when officials genuinely aren't sure of a call. Inherently unfair.

As it stands now, NBA rules hardly care about what is fair. Wallace has that ball before the whistle blows, so it is not unfair in the least to say that the Blazers would have had possession if the goaltend has not been whistled. The other situation is better than not reviewing, IMHO.

Also the NBA could encourage refs to wait until possession is determined before whistling to review the goaltend. Say the ref sees a goaltend but OKC gets the quick rebound for the putback. He swallows his whistle because the right result occurred. Refs already do this with blocking fouls on shots, sometimes not blowing the whistle until they see the shot isn't going to go in. Lots of interpretive leeway is already given.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Harden actually got the ball as the play was blown dead.

My bad; would anyone be upset by a jumpball instead of a muffed goaltend call?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

The play stops at the goaltend, regardless of WHEN the whistle was called, and I'm sure you'd be screaming unfair if roles were reversed.

Hardly; if the call was reviewed and stood (and if LMA had actually goaltended) then at least they reviewed it and put the right two points on the board.

 

[B-Roy]

As it stands now, NBA rules hardly care about what is fair. Wallace has that ball before the whistle blows, so it is not unfair in the least to say that the Blazers would have had possession if the goaltend has not been whistled. The other situation is better than not reviewing, IMHO.

Also the NBA could encourage refs to wait until possession is determined before whistling to review the goaltend. Say the ref sees a goaltend but OKC gets the quick rebound for the putback. He swallows his whistle because the right result occurred. Refs already do this with blocking fouls on shots, sometimes not blowing the whistle until they see the shot isn't going to go in. Lots of interpretive leeway is already given.

The NBA is full of judgment calls. Why don't you just review every foul called during a game, since there's sure to be blown calls on both sides during the course of a game?

The goaltend last night was just that, a judgment call. A ref made a mistake but you move on.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

The NBA is full of judgment calls. Why don't you just review every foul called during a game, since there's sure to be blown calls on both sides during the course of a game?

The goaltend last night was just that, a judgment call. A ref made a mistake but you move on.

In the last 30 seconds of the game I'd be fine with every stoppage of play being reviewed. GET IT RIGHT IF IT MATTERS.

 

[B-Roy]

Hardly; if the call was reviewed and stood (and if LMA had actually goaltended) then at least they reviewed it and put the right two points on the board.

I was answering mags, not you. And what I meant was if say Durant was the one blocking LMA instead of the other way around.

 

[B-Roy]

In the last 30 seconds of the game I'd Br fine with every stoppage of play being reviewed. GET IT RIGHT IF IT MATTERS.

Does a foul in the 1st quarter matter less than one at the end of the game?

That foul in the 1st led to two points. A foul at the end of the game led to two points as well.

What if the foul in the first was a shitty call and the team never should have gotten those two points?

 

[PapaG]

The NBA is full of judgment calls. Why don't you just review every foul called during a game, since there's sure to be blown calls on both sides during the course of a game?

The goaltend last night was just that, a judgment call. A ref made a mistake but you move on.

Goaltending isn't a judgement call. Either the ball hit the glass first, or LMA hit the ball first. The two refs nearest the play thought it wasn't a goaltend. The ref with the gambling addiction (allegedly) who was standing near midcourt thought it was a goaltend. I'm sure the team itself has moved on, but the NBA even admits that Scott Foster, who already has been involved in his own issues, completely botched the call.

 

[jaspitzer]

I agree you can't review if there was a block called that was actually goaltending because the play doesn't stop. But it does when Goaltending is called so you should review that. All close calls should be called goaltending during live play and then reviewed and overturned if necessary.

 

[B-Roy]

Goaltending isn't a judgement call. Either the ball hit the glass first, or LMA hit the ball first. The two refs nearest the play thought it wasn't a goaltend. The ref with the gambling addiction (allegedly) who was standing near midcourt thought it was a goaltend. I'm sure the team itself has moved on, but the NBA even admits that Scott Foster, who already has been involved in his own issues, completely botched the call.

I know it was botched, that's why I wrote this:

A ref made a mistake but you move on.

Shit happens. Most offensive fouls are pretty clear cut too and refs botch them all the time. No use complaining about it now.

 

[PapaG]

No use complaining about it now.

Are you new to the interwebs?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

That play was really, really close, so I don't have any real heartburn with a ref getting it wrong. That's going to happen in basketball and it's a part of the game. What I do have a problem with is what many others have said, in such a critical situation why does Foster, the ref farthest from the play and at an angle that would make it impossible for him to know whether it was a block or not, make the call when the two refs who were closer and in better position don't? I know that the NBA doesn't make it's discipline decisions with the refs public, but I really hope Foster gets a fine or some other form of punishment for this.

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Exactly what I think as well.

 

[HailBlazers]

NBA admits mistake!?!?

Don't see anywhere they admit to not dealing with conflict of interest referee's.

 

[tlongII]

That play was really, really close, so I don't have any real heartburn with a ref getting it wrong. That's going to happen in basketball and it's a part of the game. What I do have a problem with is what many others have said, in such a critical situation why does Foster, the ref farthest from the play and at an angle that would make it impossible for him to know whether it was a block or not, make the call when the two refs who were closer and in better position don't? I know that the NBA doesn't make it's discipline decisions with the refs public, but I really hope Foster gets a fine or some other form of punishment for this.

Probably because Foster had a bet on the game.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Does a foul in the 1st quarter matter less than one at the end of the game?

That foul in the 1st led to two points. A foul at the end of the game led to two points as well.

What if the foul in the first was a shitty call and the team never should have gotten those two points?

A botched goaltend in the first gives the aggrieved team 36+ minutes to overcome. A botched goaltend with 6 seconds to go gives the aggrieved team six seconds to overcome. This makes the latter is more "expensive"; the remaining pool of resources (time to overcome) is more limited. So yeah, the latter is more important.

 

[magnifier661]

The play stops at the goaltend, regardless of WHEN the whistle was called, and I'm sure you'd be screaming unfair if roles were reversed.

No Portland had the rebound and was holding the ball. Ref called it after foster saw we had possession. At that point I think the team with possession can call a time out and request for review. And like football; if it comes back inconclusive; the team gets charged te time out and possession still goes to the team that had possession when the goaltending was called.

If not then if there was no possession do what caravan said. Jump ball center court.

And I would be fine with that. Even if it was against us.

 

[PapaG]

Does a foul in the 1st quarter matter less than one at the end of the game?

Yes, to me it does.

That foul in the 1st led to two points. A foul at the end of the game led to two points as well.

A team has 3 more quarters to correct that error. At the end of a close game, that window collapses to almost nothing.

What if the foul in the first was a shitty call and the team never should have gotten those two points?

See your question #1, and my answer to it. I don't think fouls should be reviewed, though, at any point in the game. I thought the NBA said they would become more transparent in their officiating, though. I think the fans of the NBA deserve to know how Foster has been disciplined for his obvious error.

 

[e_blazer]

No Portland had the rebound and was holding the ball. Ref called it after foster saw we had possession. At that point I think the team with possession can call a time out and request for review. And like football; if it comes back inconclusive; the team gets charged te time out and possession still goes to the team that had possession when the goaltending was called.

If not then if there was no possession do what caravan said. Jump ball center court.

And I would be fine with that. Even if it was against us.

Hardin gets the rebound, check the video.
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[magnifier661]

Hardin gets the rebound, check the video.
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You're right.

 

[magnifier661]

Hardin gets the rebound, check the video.
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You're right.

 

[PapaG]

Hardin gets the rebound, check the video.
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The whistle had blown by that point. Terrible call. Not sure why you're defending it.

 

[magnifier661]

The whistle had blown by that point. Terrible call. Not sure why you're defending it.

Is he? I think he just wanted to point out what I was saying was wrong. Which was the case. I thought we had the rebound.

 

[PapaG]

Is he? I think he just wanted to point out what I was saying was wrong. Which was the case. I thought we had the rebound.

If I have to defend being a homer bitching about a terrible call on a Blazer board, so be it. I'm not going to let facts get in the way!

 

[magnifier661]

If I have to defend being a homer bitching about a terrible call on a Blazer board, so be it. I'm not going to let facts get in the way!

I'm bitching there right with you! I guess we are both homer bitches!