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Fairly-Hard said:
Nzosa I'm reading up on but everything says project who will need a lot of work. Boy could that be a huge get in the second round?
Koloko will be 22 and might be a bit more ready to bang with the Players in the NBA. Obviously not a three point shooter either.
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Yeah I’ve been thinking the same thing about Nzosa as well. Safe to say that he is pretty much a bigger Greg Brown with more focus on defense. If we draft two rookie wings, we’re not going to have the minutes to give to everyone if we want to seriously compete anyway. So for me, Nzosa would probably be my first choice if I had to choose a guy to fall. Have this man ride the bench and play spot minutes for the first year or two. If he can ever develop a shot…geez.

Brown at PF and Nzosa at C are pretty much two chunks of clay atm but man have I been encouraged by Chauncey’s development of Watford and Johnson. I’d be interest to see Chauncey can do with Nzosa and Brown in the next few years.

Yeah, my one concern with Koloko is his inability to shoot. But that’s why I think Johnson would be an important get at backup C. Nurk’s playmaking combined with Johnson’s shooting, you can pretty much grab whoever is still available at 36. I like the idea of Robinson at 36 as well if Nzosa isn’t available.
 
STOMP said:
good grief, check your own sorry drivel

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Maybe you should check my "sorry drivel," because, if you're trying to argue that WCC talent is so good that it's a comparable to what Chet will face in the NBA or what guys like Smith, Banchero and Ivey faced, there's a whoooooole big post a couple of pages back that covers it a lot better than "the WCC was good this year, that's a fact STOMP."
 
PCmor7 said:
Maybe you should check my "sorry drivel," because, if you're trying to argue that WCC talent is so good that it's a comparable to what Chet will face in the NBA or what guys like Smith, Banchero and Ivey faced, there's a whoooooole big post a couple of pages back that covers it a lot better than "the WCC was good this year, that's a fact STOMP."
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No college conference is as good as the NBA. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here.
 
BonesJones said:
Yes. That's exactly what people are comparing.
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so... confirming my "lazy ass" characterization of that comp. gotcha.

There are far better comps of skinny dudes than a wing player who might be the best scorer in the game's history who plays nothing like Holmgren.
 
The mock draft I was just looking at listed Holmgren at 195lbs and Davis at 194lbs.

That's my entry in the "lazziest comp contest"! :devilwink:
 
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BonesJones said:
No college conference is as good as the NBA. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here.
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There are conferences that have athletes who are more comparable to the athletes you're going to find in the NBA than others, and conferences that have a lot more of them.

Come on, Bones, you knew that point. You're better than this. Unless you legitimately think there are as many legitimate NBA prospects in the WCC as the ACC or the Big Ten or the SEC, in which case you'd be totally off your rocker.
 
There were eight times as many players from the ACC on opening-day NBA rosters this season than the WCC. Of the 11 WCC players in the NBA at the start of the season, nine were from Gonzaga.

Kentucky had 27.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketbal...-most-players-2021-22-nba-opening-day-rosters

Acknowledged that this says nothing about this season and what Holmgren played against this year, but it's a strong indicator that the most NBA-level players come out of Power 5 conferences by a wide margin, and it's already documented in this thread that trend is expected to continue this year and that Holmgren has struggled against those teams while beating up on obviously overmatched teams that were in the bottom two-thirds of the WCC.

We've covered this already. At this point it just seems like some posters want to pretend it isn't the case.
 
oldmangrouch said:
The mock draft I was just looking at listed Holmgren at 195lbs and Davis at 194lbs.

That's my entry in the "lazziest comp contest"! :devilwink:
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which mock was that?

nbadraft.net had him at 222.
DraftExpress had him at 222.
NBA.com had him at 222.
He was measured at 221.8 at the Combine. (Dame measured at 188.8)
 
illmatic99 said:
which mock was that?

nbadraft.net had him at 222.
DraftExpress had him at 222.
NBA.com had him at 222.
He was measured at 221.8 at the Combine. (Dame measured at 188.8)
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Am guessing it was a joke about Johnny Davis weighing the same. And it being a very lazy comparison simply based on weight.
 
illmatic99 said:
which mock was that?

nbadraft.net had him at 222.
DraftExpress had him at 222.
NBA.com had him at 222.
He was measured at 221.8 at the Combine. (Dame measured at 188.8)
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It was CBS sports I believe. I was just making a joke about basing comps on irrelevant coincidence.
 
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illmatic99 said:
apparently so. :rofl:
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Going out of your way to act willfully obtuse cracks you up? In the history of the game, are there any two quality players exactly alike? When comparisons are made, it's because there are aspects of a player that remind you of another.

what aspects? that he's skinny?
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sure both arrived into the league very skinny. Coordinated, skilled, long/tall, deadly outside shooters would be a few others.

Obviously you're not into having an honest discussion so whatever dude

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STOMP said:
Going out of your way to act willfully obtuse cracks you up? In the history of the game, are there any two quality players exactly alike? When comparisons are made, it's because there are aspects of a player that remind you of another.


sure both arrived into the league very skinny. Coordinated, skilled, long/tall, deadly outside shooters would be a few others.

Obviously you're not into having an honest discussion so whatever dude

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it's hard to take anything you say seriously about holmgren when your two comparisons for him are KG and KD. Sorry.
 
STOMP said:
Going out of your way to act willfully obtuse cracks you up? In the history of the game, are there any two quality players exactly alike? When comparisons are made, it's because there are aspects of a player that remind you of another.


sure both arrived into the league very skinny. Coordinated, skilled, long/tall, deadly outside shooters would be a few others.

Obviously you're not into having an honest discussion so whatever dude

STOMP
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I get what you are saying, but I still don't see the benefit of comparing a great wing player to a projected center. Maybe I'm being too simple minded, but on the off chance we wound up in the top 3 I would want to know a realistic projection of how well Holmgren will be able to score and defend against the league's elite centers.
 
oldmangrouch said:
I get what you are saying, but I still don't see the benefit of comparing a great wing player to a projected center. Maybe I'm being too simple minded, but on the off chance we wound up in the top 3 I would want to know a realistic projection of how well Holmgren will be able to score and defend against the league's elite centers.
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I don't think he'd normally be defending at the 5 position, which makes comps difficult, and makes everyone yell at each other. I think most who like him envision him more as an elite team defender, who should kind of play free safety in a way. Not locking down a guy 1 on 1, but being able to stray off of his man because of elite length and protection.
 
RR7 said:
I don't think he'd normally be defending at the 5 position, which makes comps difficult, and makes everyone yell at each other. I think most who like him envision him more as an elite team defender, who should kind of play free safety in a way. Not locking down a guy 1 on 1, but being able to stray off of his man because of elite length and protection.
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And I don't want to get yelled at for comparing him to Garnett. I'm not. But I think how they were used positionally could be similr through their careers. Garnett played most of his time his rookie year at the 3. Then would play it sporadically, but quickly shifted to primarily a 4/small ball 5. And then ultiamtely, a 4, but modern game 5. I think everyone laughed when Cleveland decided to start Markannen at the 3, but that looked relatively successful. And he's slower than Chet is. I really don't know what to think of Chet personally. He just looks so damn goofy that right away you want to discredit. But I think I can see him at the 4 right away and filling a role, for any team.
 
RR7 said:
And I don't want to get yelled at for comparing him to Garnett. I'm not. But I think how they were used positionally could be similr through their careers. Garnett played most of his time his rookie year at the 3. Then would play it sporadically, but quickly shifted to primarily a 4/small ball 5. And then ultiamtely, a 4, but modern game 5. I think everyone laughed when Cleveland decided to start Markannen at the 3, but that looked relatively successful. And he's slower than Chet is. I really don't know what to think of Chet personally. He just looks so damn goofy that right away you want to discredit. But I think I can see him at the 4 right away and filling a role, for any team.
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I wont be laughing. I just want to guage peoples floor/ceiling with these guys. But Chet fans seem so hellbent on projecting HOF guys as comps while completely dismissing potential issues that could send him closer to his floor. Hell i (prolly foolishly) compared murray to melo.
 
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illmatic99 said:
I wont be laughing. I just want to guage peoples floor/ceiling with these guys. But Chet fans seem so hellbent on projecting HOF guys as comps while completely dismissing potential issues that could send him closer to his floor. Hell i (prolly foolishly) compared murray to melo.
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Shouldn't there be a floor comp and a ceiling comp?
 
oldmangrouch said:
I get what you are saying, but I still don't see the benefit of comparing a great wing player to a projected center. Maybe I'm being too simple minded, but on the off chance we wound up in the top 3 I would want to know a realistic projection of how well Holmgren will be able to score and defend against the league's elite centers.
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It reads like you've haven't seen him play. He's got very good form on his J and shoots a high percentage from deep. His J is good both catch and shoot and off the dribble. He's coordinated and can dribble very well for a guy his size. He can drive and finish with either hand. I expect he'll post up a little when he's got a clear mismatch, but he'll start his NBA career on offense primarily on the perimeter. He's very skilled. I don't think anyone sees him as a post up 5 and don't think there will be many wings who can contest his J... who could on today's Blazers?

Eventually when he fills out he will probably be called on to guard some 5s, but hell Durant does that too now. These days teams try to switch everything on D so versatility and team D play are highly valued. Those are strong suits for Holmgren which I expect to get much better at as a pro as his body develops with age, nutrition and weight training. Offenses run one high pick and roll after another to get the matchup they seek which is why big lumbering traditional 5s like Nurk have a hard time staying on the floor... teams continually go at him. Not many Bigs can stay with a Chris Paul or Ja Morant when iso'd on them, which is why Bobby Portis is now a starter while Boogie Cousins comes off the bench.

Fwiw, below is a draft profile link for Chet which goes into more detail on his game... guess who they compare him to?

https://www.nbadraftjunkies.com/chet-holmgren

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STOMP said:
It reads like you've haven't seen him play. He's got very good form on his J and shoots a high percentage from deep. His J is good both catch and shoot and off the dribble. He's coordinated and can dribble very well for a guy his size. He can drive and finish with either hand. I expect he'll post up a little when he's got a clear mismatch, but he'll start his NBA career on offense primarily on the perimeter. He's very skilled. I don't think anyone sees him as a post up 5 and don't think there will be many wings who can contest his J... who could on today's Blazers?

Eventually when he fills out he will probably be called on to guard some 5s, but hell Durant does that too now. These days teams try to switch everything on D so versatility and team D play are highly valued. Those are strong suits for Holmgren which I expect to get much better at as a pro as his body develops with age, nutrition and weight training. Offenses run one high pick and roll after another to get the matchup they seek which is why big lumbering traditional 5s like Nurk have a hard time staying on the floor... teams continually go at him. Not many Bigs can stay with a Chris Paul or Ja Morant when iso'd on them, which is why Bobby Portis is now a starter while Boogie Cousins comes off the bench.

Fwiw, below is a draft profile link for Chet which goes into more detail on his game... guess who they compare him to?

https://www.nbadraftjunkies.com/chet-holmgren

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To be clear, I am just expressing an opinion. I'm not insisting other fans should agree with it, nor am I denigrating you or anybody else.

That said, if we lucked into a top 3 pick, I would only want Holmgren if he has a decent chance to be the best center in the draft. If his future is at PF or wing, I don't see him as the best prospect, and certainly not the safest. If you disagree, that's cool. :cheers:

Just as an aside, I miss the days when all the top prospects participated in the combine. I would love to see how he does head-to-head against the other top big men in speed/agility drills and so forth.
 
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