NBA Execs - Expect CP3 to be traded

[Chuck Taylor]

I think the idea was that Bowers was unable to sell Paul on staying (poor relationship) but was also unwilling to trade him. In other words, you need to make one of the two happen...not both at the same time.

ah that makes sense!

 

[Chuck Taylor]

Well, if you're ever going to make a pitch based on salary savings, making it directly to the owner, with no GM in place is the time to do it.

I agree with this. It is at least a good time to make a phone call. Same goes for when they hire their new GM.

 

[Idog1976]

I'm more inclined to trust Ken Berger in this instance:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/...?tag=coverlist_footer;coverlist_photo_content

Can I just say fuck this meme of Paul going to an East Coast team? What the fuck is this league just becoming the WWF or what? Seriously, if Paul goes to NY or Orlando its a god damned conspiracy to load up teams in Stern's favor. Boston, LA, Miami. If another god damn major media market team gets Paul for scraps I will go apeshit.

 

[hasoos]

Can I just say fuck this meme of Paul going to an East Coast team? What the fuck is this league just becoming the WWF or what? Seriously, if Paul goes to NY or Orlando its a god damned conspiracy to load up teams in Stern's favor. Boston, LA, Miami. If another god damn major media market team gets Paul for scraps I will go apeshit.

Exactamundo.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Did someone say Chris Paul?!

 

[maxiep]

I disagree...maybe that is the case, but if it is, then CHA ownership is very shortsighted....New Orleans is nowhere near to being a ready to compete for a title, and Paul is a FA in what 2 years? Does anyone really believe that Paul would re-sign with N.O. if they continue to remain stagnant? I don't....It isn't like Paul didn't give them advance warning...and what do they do? Go out and sign Luther Head...Yeah, that is going to make all the difference...He is leaving eventually, so sooner or later they are going to have to accept that and trade him....they are better off doing it now (or at the trade deadline) than waiting until next offseason...

It is the same principle going on with Parker right now, he has 1 year left....so if you were POR mgmt would you offer Batum for him? Probably not, b\c there is no guarantee he is more than a 1yr rental...that doesn't mean you don't send out talent (Bayless, Rudy, Claver, picks, etc...) for him, but you certainly don't go "all in" for a player who may leave you for a year....same goes for Paul a year from now...There IS an effect on his trade values by waiting....

If you're Portland, you absolutely roll the dice on Paul and bet that the winning he'd experience here makes him stay.

 

[Idog1976]

If you're Portland, you absolutely roll the dice on Paul and bet that the winning he'd experience here makes him stay.

Everyone not named Roy or Oden should be made available and in any combination including 3 way trades. Obviously you don't trade EVERYONE but those two, but you offer everyone but those two.

 

[LittleAlex]

Paul may very well get traded but it won't be to Portland.


I am guessing either the Lakers or New York for pennies on the dollar.

Why keep a big name star in a bad media market? It makes no sense in Stern's NBA.

 

[Idog1976]

Paul may very well get traded but it won't be to Portland.


I am guessing either the Lakers or New York for pennies on the dollar.

Why keep a big name star in a bad media market? It makes no sense in Stern's NBA.

So you're acknowledging that Stern has absolute control over every aspect of the NBA?

Seriously if either of those things happens I will agree with you and stop watching the NBA until Stern dies or is ousted. Seriously fuck that WWF style NBA. Utter bullshit.

 

[RR7]

Why would evil only care about big markets Stern allow Seattle to lose a team to OKC? Why allow SA to win the lottery and grab a surefire stud like Duncan when Boston had the chance? Why allow 2 PNW franchises to get picks 1 and 2 in such a clear 2 player draft, when any number of big market teams would do, again, like Boston. Come on.

 

[LittleAlex]

So you're acknowledging that Stern has absolute control over every aspect of the NBA?

Seriously if either of those things happens I will agree with you and stop watching the NBA until Stern dies or is ousted. Seriously fuck that WWF style NBA. Utter bullshit.

As the head of the NBA, Stern can nix any trade or signing he wants to.

He did so to the T'Wolves when they tried to get Joe Smith and to the Heat when they were going to sign Howard.

So yeah, he does have a great deal of control over the league.

I just think if Portland tried to make a trade for Paul it would be overturned by Stern.
If the Lakers made the same deal, it would not be.

Every passing year I become less interested in the NBA as a whole as it seems to be a rigged game Portland can never win.

 

[RR7]

As the head of the NBA, Stern can nix any trade or signing he wants to.

He did so to the T'Wolves when they tried to get Joe Smith and to the Heat when they were going to sign Howard.

So yeah, he does have a great deal of control over the league.

I just think if Portland tried to make a trade for Paul it would be overturned by Stern.
If the Lakers made the same deal, it would not be.

Every passing year I become less interested in the NBA as a whole as it seems to be a rigged game Portland can never win.

He didn't just disallow Minnesota from getting Superstar, pushed to a big market Smith. They broke the rules of the CBA to try to get him there, and were punished. Of course, Stern did it so Superstar Joe Smith could go to super huge market Detroit!
And of course, evil Stern didn't allow the Heat to sign Howard, because they were over the cap. So he got stuck back with superpower Washington. But wait. On one hand, Stern is helping out Miami get superstars, but sometimes not allowing them to sign superstars? Sounds like a consistent conspiracy. Very sound.

 

[Pinwheel1]

"It’s true. The Mavs called the Hornets on Tuesday morning. They offered Erick Dampier’s expiring contract for Chris Paul. Dallas was also willing to include “the kitchen sink’’ – which you can read as everything including Roddy Beaubois and multiple No. 1 picks and cash.

The Hornets said “no’’ one final time to the $13 mil of relief Erick Dampier’s expiring contract provides … and Dallas pulled that plug, turning back to its simultaneous talks with Minnesota for Al Jefferson and its talks with Charlotte for Tyson Chandler … pushed one more time for the Wolves to take DUST but not take picks … and then created DUST-for-Chandler"

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3320

I bet our kitchen sink is better though......

 

[Natebishop3]

It’s true. The Mavs called the Hornets on Tuesday morning. They offered Erick Dampier’s expiring contract for Chris Paul. Dallas was also willing to include “the kitchen sink’’ – which you can read as everything including Roddy Beaubois and multiple No. 1 picks and cash.

The Hornets said “no’’ one final time to the $13 mil of relief Erick Dampier’s expiring contract provides … and Dallas pulled that plug, turning back to its simultaneous talks with Minnesota for Al Jefferson and its talks with Charlotte for Tyson Chandler … pushed one more time for the Wolves to take DUST but not take picks … and then created DUST-for-Chandler

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3320

I bet our kitchen sink is better though......

It is much nicer, because we can take Paul AND Okafor or Peja, so we can save NOH roughly 25ish million dollars.

 

[EGame]

Dallas has one young guy in Roddy, what else do they have of interest? I guessCaron Butler as well, but I doubt New Orleans wants an aging Kidd or someone like Terry. I think we could beat there offer by giving up a few young guys with potential (Bayless, Rudy, Batum, Oden, Matthews if he signs, the Great Babbitt, etc).

Okay, not really Babbitt, but you know what I mean.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Dallas has one young guy in Roddy, what else do they have of interest? I guessCaron Butler as well, but I doubt New Orleans wants an aging Kidd or someone like Terry. I think we could beat there offer by giving up a few young guys with potential (Bayless, Rudy, Batum, Oden, Matthews if he signs, the Great Babbitt, etc).

Okay, not really Babbitt, but you know what I mean.

And not Matthews unless you want to wait another 3 months.

 

[EGame]

Oh whoops my bad. I think New Orleans would prefer Batum in any case. I do have to wonder if this signing of Matthews goes through and he is a Blazer, are we looking to move Batum for a solid piece?

 

[BGrantFan]

Oh whoops my bad. I think New Orleans would prefer Batum in any case. I do have to wonder if this signing of Matthews goes through and he is a Blazer, are we looking to move Batum for a solid piece?

So, the Blazers would go from 3 SFs at the beginning of last season (Batum, Webster, Outlaw) to Wesley Matthews, an undersized SF at 6'5", and Luke Babbitt, a rookie?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

So, the Blazers would go from 3 SFs at the beginning of last season (Batum, Webster, Outlaw) to Wesley Matthews, an undersized SF at 6'5", and Luke Babbitt, a rookie?

You get Chris Paul first, then worry about your starting small forward. I'm sure we can find someone fairly easily.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So, the Blazers would go from 3 SFs at the beginning of last season (Batum, Webster, Outlaw) to Wesley Matthews, an undersized SF at 6'5", and Luke Babbitt, a rookie?

With CP, Roy, Aldridge and Oden starting for the Blazers . . . I could live with that SF situation.

 

[EGame]

So, the Blazers would go from 3 SFs at the beginning of last season (Batum, Webster, Outlaw) to Wesley Matthews, an undersized SF at 6'5", and Luke Babbitt, a rookie?

Oh heavens whatever shall we do if we got Paul and have no SF?

 

[EGame]

With CP, Roy, Aldridge and Oden starting for the Blazers . . . I could live with that SF situation.

I hate to say it, but I think Oden would have to be included. I just don't think Batum is a centerpiece for a superstar at this point.

 

[BGrantFan]

Oh heavens whatever shall we do if we got Paul and have no SF?

Well, I'm thinking more in terms of defense, and what Nic brings to the SF position.

I just don't see how bringing in Chris Paul automatically means that defense from the SF position isn't an issue.

 

[EGame]

Well if by the slim chance we don't have to trade Oden to make a Paul trade happen, then our defense is fine and Matthews could do a decent job. Of course it is an issue, but Chris Paul > defense from the SF position.

Please don't tell me you are not one of the people who overrate Batum and would not trade him for Paul, if given the chance.

 

[Idog1976]

Why would evil only care about big markets Stern allow Seattle to lose a team to OKC? Why allow SA to win the lottery and grab a surefire stud like Duncan when Boston had the chance? Why allow 2 PNW franchises to get picks 1 and 2 in such a clear 2 player draft, when any number of big market teams would do, again, like Boston. Come on.

OH MY FUCKING GOD! SAN ANTONIO IS A BIG MARKET TEAM JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!! Seriously of all the stupid memes about the NBA that Miami (shaq/wade) and San Antonio are small market teams are the stupidest. When Orlando is out of the picture ALL OF FLORIDA tunes in to watch Miami. Likewise and even more so San Antonio represents the Stars at night are big and fucking bright DEEP IN THE HEART OF TEXAS!!! All of Texas sees San Antonio as their team the minute Houston and the Mavericks are out.

Please for the love of god never ever ever repeat this David Stern lie. I don't care about ratings, I'm talking about likely potential markets and Texas is freaking huge. If San Antonio had been more exciting they would have had uber market share. It's their brand of basketball and NOT their location that lead to small (relative) market share.

 

[Idog1976]

It is much nicer, because we can take Paul AND Okafor or Peja, so we can save NOH roughly 25ish million dollars.

We can actually take Posey too if you include JPEC/AMEC and Camby + most of the bench.

 

[Idog1976]

He didn't just disallow Minnesota from getting Superstar, pushed to a big market Smith. They broke the rules of the CBA to try to get him there, and were punished. Of course, Stern did it so Superstar Joe Smith could go to super huge market Detroit!
And of course, evil Stern didn't allow the Heat to sign Howard, because they were over the cap. So he got stuck back with superpower Washington. But wait. On one hand, Stern is helping out Miami get superstars, but sometimes not allowing them to sign superstars? Sounds like a consistent conspiracy. Very sound.

I agree with your specific points but not your overarching argument. Look at the league pre-stern then look at post Stern. The winners pre-Stern were all over the Map, post Stern it's been big market teams almost without fail.

Eight different teams won in the 1970's and only 7 have won in the nearly 30 years since Stern took over. Also among those 8 were smaller teams like Golden State, the Bullets, Blazers, Seattle and the Suns.

The Lakers were a golden team even in the old school days as were the Celtics due to payroll etc. However, increasingly the NBA is a two to three tiered system and it's about to get worse. The most blatant part of the whole thing was the disolving of the independent Referee's union. Yes the Lakers and Celtics won a ton of games during the Union period of Stern's reign, but the games were called much closer back then with far fewer "star calls" which anyone but a fucking idiot acknowledges exist. I would say the league has become absurdly star driven.

If you look back on that period where Roy scored 52 points and proclaimed himself a Superstar you will note his FT attempts went through the roof. Then Roy did a big no-no he said "Now I'm gonna get the calls, like Kobe, Wade and LeBron you can't guard those guys(due to calls)" Far fewer attempts ever since then and he has withdrawn to mere star status.

If you don't think the game is at a bare minimum heavily tilted towards Superstars and big market teams, you simply aren't paying attention. Stern needn't pull the strings on every single play to yield the effect he wants. If you look at what Donaghy said it makes perfect sense to me and what my "lying eyes" tell me.

 

[Idog1976]

Dallas has one young guy in Roddy, what else do they have of interest? I guessCaron Butler as well, but I doubt New Orleans wants an aging Kidd or someone like Terry. I think we could beat there offer by giving up a few young guys with potential (Bayless, Rudy, Batum, LMA, Matthews if he signs, the Great Babbitt, etc).

Okay, not really Babbitt, but you know what I mean.

Fixed for you as I assume you were using inhalants when you typed Oden by mistake.

 

[EGame]

Oh believe me, I wish I was Idog, but I think it is a near given (like 99%) that Hornets do not want Aldridge. Just take away his salary for a second, tell me if you were the owner/GM/whatever of that team, how do you feel about a West/LMA front court? Don't tell me you would like it because I know you are lying.

 

[Idog1976]

Oh believe me, I wish I was Idog, but I think it is a near given (like 99%) that Hornets do not want Aldridge. Just take away his salary for a second, tell me if you were the owner/GM/whatever of that team, how do you feel about a West/LMA front court? Don't tell me you would like it because I know you are lying.

I know, you would need to trade Aldridge for another player I agree. Seriously though, you work every I mean EVERY angle to get CP3 that doesn't give up Oden or Roy. I would consider Oden and bench players for CP3, I would probably have to pass on Oden + Batum unless that was the extent of the trade and we kept our bench. Gutting our team except for LMA and Roy and adding CP3 doesn't give me the chills an Oden, CP3 + Roy team does. I like our team as constructed better then completely gutted with LMA, Roy and CP3. LMA simply isn't star caliber and I'm not convinced CP3 can give LMA what he needs to push him over the top. LMA has the tools and it could be coaching staff's fault, but thus far he hasn't brought the intensity I want to see from a centerpiece player.

You trade LMA to NJN for cap space + Favors is one way to work it and either keep Favors and take on as much salary from NOH and add in Batum + bench.

Favors + batum + bench is another option. Just one example of how to use LMA to get CP3. Obviously you need to be CERTAIN that NOH will go through with the second trade or make it a 3 way to begin with.