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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Aug 1 2008, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Odom was a good pick, this round is where all the guys who dropped get taken. But seriously guys how do you let a 25 year old Gerald Wallace get picked this late. He plays hard on both sides of the court, never takes plays off and is emerging as one of the top defenders. He doesn't give much less than what Butler, Carter, Igloudaga and Josh Smith give. All those guys were picked in the first round while I got Wallace 2 round later. Talk about Value</div>

I wouldn't want Gerald Wallace leading my team, especially not late in games. Butler on the other hand, well, let's just say I most definitely want the ball in his hands down the stretch.
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Gerald Wallace gets a bad rap for being injury prone but who has played more games in the past. Lets look at the last 2 seasons Butler has played 121 games, Wallace- 134 games.

Also Wallace isn't my only go to guy that the stretch, I also have Amare and Josh Howard.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 1 2008, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 1 2008, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think age should be really taken into account in this draft because it's a one year thing. Jamison still is going to perform better next year than guys taken before him.</div>

We are participating in completely different activities.

The way I see it, unless S2 goes out of business, age matters a lot.
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I mean yeah you can bring it up next year when we have our 3rd GM draft, but what good is that gonna do when there is a new draft taking place.

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Well, I think this draft is about what you would do if you were an NBA GM and you could select a team without worrying about the CBA and all of the noise and headaches that goes with building the best team.

It's like the playground. You just pick a team you think fits well together and they are yours forever.

If you just pick with this season in mind, you really limit the skill level involved and the whole thing is a lot less fun.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way Lava, I hope I'm representing your old team well.</div>
Well I appreciate you stepping in. I think you've done well. I'm a fan of the Bogut pick. He is a solidly built young player that also has good passing skills, and just a solid all around game.

But I'm not a big fan of Rashard Lewis, A lot of that is because he makes 20 million per year for 6 years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 1 2008, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, that woulda been a good idea. Look at what lukewarmplay did: moved down 10 picks, and still got a player he wanted. Plus, he got to move up in 2 different rounds.

Take this as a lesson in strategy, jerseycarter happy.gif</div>
Meh, it`s just a silly game though. Some people just want to join it moreso for fun, while others want to try to find the best trades and spend the time to get the best roster.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I think this draft is about what you would do if you were an NBA GM and you could select a team without worrying about the CBA and all of the noise and headaches that goes with building the best team.

It's like the playground. You just pick a team you think fits well together and they are yours forever.

If you just pick with this season in mind, you really limit the skill level involved and the whole thing is a lot less fun.</div>

Until they are drafted the next year by someone else!! BUAHAHAHAHA! Then they are theirs forever!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Aug 1 2008, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 1 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Cpawfan seriously needs to draft ***** and ***** now. After reuniteding SJax and RonRon.</div>

Why would I want those two crappy players?
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Well I actually shouldn't have mentioned their names, because they aren't drafted.
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JO was drafted.

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Oh, well that makes sense. Cpaw said JO and Tinsley are crap, it all depends on when they were picked. and overall I think JO is more valuable than SJax who shoots 40% FG% plays in an offense focused system and takes defensive plays off.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Aug 1 2008, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Odom was a good pick, this round is where all the guys who dropped get taken. But seriously guys how do you let a 25 year old Gerald Wallace get picked this late. He plays hard on both sides of the court, never takes plays off and is emerging as one of the top defenders. He doesn't give much less than what Butler, Carter, Igloudaga and Josh Smith give. All those guys were picked in the first round while I got Wallace 2 round later. Talk about Value</div>

I wouldn't want Gerald Wallace leading my team, especially not late in games. Butler on the other hand, well, let's just say I most definitely want the ball in his hands down the stretch.
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Gerald Wallace gets a bad rap for being injury prone but who has played more games in the past. Lets look at the last 2 seasons Butler has played 121 games, Wallace- 134 games.

Also Wallace isn't my only go to guy that the stretch, I also have Amare and Josh Howard.
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Well, I didn't mention anything about the two players health.

And I only brought up the "down the stretch" aspect to show that is why Caron Butler is a 1st round guy and Wallace is not. Butler is money in the 4th quarter, and as a result he deserves to go in the first and can very well handle being a leader on my team.
 
I don't want cpawfan to play.

F all of you who dropped out.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Meh, it`s just a silly game though. Some people just want to join it moreso for fun, while others want to try to find the best trades and spend the time to get the best roster.</div>

Your opinion counts for less than zero since you couldn't even be bothered to make your second round pick.
 
Butler is a lot better than Wallace, and he isn't a dick either.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Butler is a lot better than Wallace, and he isn't a dick either.</div>

Butler's a gangsta turned pro bball player. Restecp.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want cpawfan to play.

F all of you who dropped out.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want cpawfan to play.

F all of you who dropped out.
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F all of you who are <span style="color:#ff0000">NOT APPROPRIATE</span>, <span style="color:#ff0000">NOT APPROPRIATE</span>!!!! Actually I just mean Ghosti.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Meh, it`s just a silly game though. Some people just want to join it moreso for fun, while others want to try to find the best trades and spend the time to get the best roster.</div>

Your opinion counts for less than zero since you couldn't even be bothered to make your second round pick.
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Well if I knew that my pick would be skipped and it would be to Dynasty`s disadvantage. But he actually drafted the guy I was thinking about taking anyway in Andrew Bogut.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want cpawfan to play.

F all of you who dropped out.
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F all of you who are <span style="color:#ff0000">NOT APPROPRIATE</span>, <span style="color:#ff0000">NOT APPROPRIATE</span>!!!! Actually I just mean Ghosti.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Meh, it`s just a silly game though. Some people just want to join it moreso for fun, while others want to try to find the best trades and spend the time to get the best roster.</div>

Your opinion counts for less than zero since you couldn't even be bothered to make your second round pick.
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Well if I knew that my pick would be skipped and it would be to Dynasty`s disadvantage. But he actually drafted the guy I was thinking about taking anyway in Andrew Bogut.
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I'm surprised you can find the time to post in this thread!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>

Your opinion counts for less than zero since you couldn't even be bothered to make your second round pick.</div>
Well if I knew that my pick would be skipped and it would be to Dynasty`s disadvantage. But he actually drafted the guy I was thinking about taking anyway in Andrew Bogut.
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Right. Your opinion about this game doesn't matter because you cared so little about playing you couldn't make two picks. Why should anyone who actually wants to play listen to you?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Aug 1 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Aug 1 2008, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Odom was a good pick, this round is where all the guys who dropped get taken. But seriously guys how do you let a 25 year old Gerald Wallace get picked this late. He plays hard on both sides of the court, never takes plays off and is emerging as one of the top defenders. He doesn't give much less than what Butler, Carter, Igloudaga and Josh Smith give. All those guys were picked in the first round while I got Wallace 2 round later. Talk about Value</div>

I wouldn't want Gerald Wallace leading my team, especially not late in games. Butler on the other hand, well, let's just say I most definitely want the ball in his hands down the stretch.
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Gerald Wallace gets a bad rap for being injury prone but who has played more games in the past. Lets look at the last 2 seasons Butler has played 121 games, Wallace- 134 games.

Also Wallace isn't my only go to guy that the stretch, I also have Amare and Josh Howard.
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Well, I didn't mention anything about the two players health.

And I only brought up the "down the stretch" aspect to show that is why Caron Butler is a 1st round guy and Wallace is not. Butler is money in the 4th quarter, and as a result he deserves to go in the first and can very well handle being a leader on my team.
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Butler and Wallace both average 4.9 points in the fourth quarter.

http://www.82games.com/QTR4S11.HTM

Also it wasn't you but someone else who mentioned Wallace's health before
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
Your opinion counts for less than zero since you couldn't even be bothered to make your second round pick.</div>
Well if I knew that my pick would be skipped and it would be to Dynasty`s disadvantage. But he actually drafted the guy I was thinking about taking anyway in Andrew Bogut.
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Right. Your opinion about this game doesn't matter because you cared so little about playing you couldn't make two picks. Why should anyone who actually wants to play listen to you?
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Lol, whatever Ghoti. F to mods who curse at members. lol

Dynasty asked me how I thought he was doing, so I responded. jerseycarter was getting hated on for his pick, I just gave him advice (which pegs agreed on one part) and said it`s not that big of a deal even though some people get all wrapped up in it and will hate people for it. It`s just a game. Get over it.
 
It was a joke. cpawfan is too good at this game and picks the good players before I can get to them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 1 2008, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Aug 1 2008, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jerseycarter15 @ Aug 1 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why everyone hate my Carter pick
.sorry if i no pick kobe but i hate the guy.</div>

Forget them.

Build your team however you want it, this is supposed to be fun.
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Yea, Dark is right. Just build it how you want to and have fun. It would be different if you were an GM, but you can think of yourself as the owner and GM. lol

You could make a team of your favorite 12th men, which would be spectacular! and who cares.

If you wanted to you could have drafted say Dwight or Kobe and then traded them for Vince + a decent pick.
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Yeah, that woulda been a good idea. Look at what lukewarmplay did: moved down 10 picks, and still got a player he wanted. Plus, he got to move up in 2 different rounds.

Take this as a lesson in strategy, jerseycarter

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Oh, man, I hope you're not using what I did as an example in sound strategy. I maybe didn't want to draft Lebron, but after seeing some of the later trades, I realize I pretty much just gave that pick away.
 
If the last pick was made at 3:55 pm shouldn't the six hour limit be 9:55 pm not 11:55 pm
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If the last pick was made at 3:55 pm shouldn't the six hour limit be 9:55 pm not 11:55 pm</div>

Yeah, it should. I forgot we were going with a 6 hour limit when I edited the thread.

Not that easy to keep track of things while dealing with four boys 10 and under.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Aug 1 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Aug 1 2008, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Odom was a good pick, this round is where all the guys who dropped get taken. But seriously guys how do you let a 25 year old Gerald Wallace get picked this late. He plays hard on both sides of the court, never takes plays off and is emerging as one of the top defenders. He doesn't give much less than what Butler, Carter, Igloudaga and Josh Smith give. All those guys were picked in the first round while I got Wallace 2 round later. Talk about Value</div>

I wouldn't want Gerald Wallace leading my team, especially not late in games. Butler on the other hand, well, let's just say I most definitely want the ball in his hands down the stretch.
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Gerald Wallace gets a bad rap for being injury prone but who has played more games in the past. Lets look at the last 2 seasons Butler has played 121 games, Wallace- 134 games.

Also Wallace isn't my only go to guy that the stretch, I also have Amare and Josh Howard.
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Well, I didn't mention anything about the two players health.

And I only brought up the "down the stretch" aspect to show that is why Caron Butler is a 1st round guy and Wallace is not. Butler is money in the 4th quarter, and as a result he deserves to go in the first and can very well handle being a leader on my team.
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Butler and Wallace both average 4.9 points in the fourth quarter.

http://www.82games.com/QTR4S11.HTM

Also it wasn't you but someone else who mentioned Wallace's health before
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In the last 5 minutes of fourth quarters, Gerald Wallace had an eFG% of 27%. Butler had an eFG% of 51%.

In the last 5 minutes of fourth quarters, per 48 min, Wallace averaged 17 points. Butler averaged 38 points.

The difference is striking. Butler is up there with Melo (actually a little better than Melo) in terms of performance at the end of games, in crunch time. He is much more efficient at the end of games than Wallace is, and as a result, there is a MUCH better chance something good will happen if the ball is in his hands at that juncture of the contest than if the ball was in Wallace's hands.

And it terms of overall team play, when Wallace was on the floor in the last 5 minutes of a game, the Bobcats averaged, per 48 min, 106 points. They gave up 108 points. The Wizards on the other hand, averaged 113 points, while giving up only 104 when Butler was on the floor in the closing minutes.

Butler also does not turn the ball over as much at the end of games, though it's not something either of them excel at particularly.

Wallace in cruch time | Butler in cruch time

That is why Butler is a first round pick.
 
great points, can't wait to argue with you who has the better team after the draft is finished
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 1 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>by the way how good is 82games.com</div>

Pretty damn good. I've used it for 3 years now. It's a nice way to measure a player's value because they delve deeper than just plain points, rebs, asts, etc.
 
T-Mac is a better player than Butler, but the gap is closer than many think.

I still think picking T-Mac and making him the franchise player is a fruitless effort. That's why I picked Deron Williams.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 1 2008, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>T-Mac is a better player than Butler, but the gap is closer than many think.

I still think picking T-Mac and making him the franchise player is a fruitless effort. That's why I picked Deron Williams.</div>

Good decision.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jerseycarter15 @ Aug 1 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good pick by celtic king.</div>

Thanks.



What did the rest of you guys think of the pick?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 1 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jerseycarter15 @ Aug 1 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good pick by celtic king.</div>

Thanks.



What did the rest of you guys think of the pick?

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I hated it and you suck more than cpawfan.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 1 2008, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 1 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jerseycarter15 @ Aug 1 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good pick by celtic king.</div>

Thanks.



What did the rest of you guys think of the pick?

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I hated it and you suck more than cpawfan.

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You know who sucks? The Nets suck.




lol
 
Damn, I was really hoping Okafor would make it to my pick.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Aug 1 2008, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here is a question. How do Laker fans feel about some guy named 'CelticKing' claiming your team?

I'd be as pissed if a 'KnicksHeat' fan nabbed the Nets.

-Petey</div>

I have that right since we beat them in the finals. hahah
 
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