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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 7 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 7 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 7 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well drafting McDyess for defensive purposes is a failure in itself. At this point, McDyess is a jump-shooter, who NEEDS to be assisted on his jumpshots. Basically he's a standalone guy who can hit an open jumpshot. But he's damn good at hitting those jump shots. With his knee issues, he should be playing about 20 MPG only.

Randolph is terrible. We all know this.


jtballa2o1: 171, 250

celticking: Randolph (112), 292

That trade is just mind boggling all around. Trading for Zach Randolph is horrible, and CK had to eat crow on his mistake and make a bad trade based upon where Randolph was picked. Moving down 59 now to move up 42 later. CK sort of screwed himself by picking Zach, but at least was able to get something for him.</div>
ok 1st of all mcydess just doesn't sit around and take jumpers getting him for defense is a good idea actually, he averaged close to 9 rebounds per game last year and almost 1 block so hes still somewhat effective now the big deal with Zach ok well he never contributed to winning but he could always get benched on my team in a worst case scanrio and I could still compete and be effective. I dont get it either KC and maybe like 1 or 2 other guys on here hate Zach and now everyone does??
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Everyone's been hating on Z-Bo, forever. Seriously. If you're going to bring up defense, never bring up blocking and rebounding. You'll just look silly.
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But the man plays defense Ive watched piston games before, I don't mean to sound cocky but I really don't see how someone can bash my team right now except if your talking about perimeter D maybe, I feel pretty confident that I have a lot of weapons
 
A lot of offense as well with Redd and Melo, plus you have Hinrich dishing assists.
 
After Diaw, McDyess was on my list.. Now I dont have anymore players I am acctually looking fowards to draft... DARN!!! ... There arent anymore good PFs out there..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 7 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A lot of offense as well with Redd and Melo, plus you have Hinrich dishing assists.</div>
exactly I want this team to get out on the break
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 7 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 7 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well drafting McDyess for defensive purposes is a failure in itself. At this point, McDyess is a jump-shooter, who NEEDS to be assisted on his jumpshots. Basically he's a standalone guy who can hit an open jumpshot. But he's damn good at hitting those jump shots. With his knee issues, he should be playing about 20 MPG only.

Randolph is terrible. We all know this.


jtballa2o1: 171, 250

celticking: Randolph (112), 292

That trade is just mind boggling all around. Trading for Zach Randolph is horrible, and CK had to eat crow on his mistake and make a bad trade based upon where Randolph was picked. Moving down 59 now to move up 42 later. CK sort of screwed himself by picking Zach, but at least was able to get something for him.</div>
ok 1st of all mcydess just doesn't sit around and take jumpers getting him for defense is a good idea actually, he averaged close to 9 rebounds per game last year and almost 1 block so hes still somewhat effective now the big deal with Zach ok well he never contributed to winning but he could always get benched on my team in a worst case scanrio and I could still compete and be effective. I dont get it either KC and maybe like 1 or 2 other guys on here hate Zach and now everyone does??
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McDyess is a very capable rebounder. He's 34 and has had 3 seperate serious knee injuries, He missed 2 and a half full seasons due to these knee issues, and when he came back to playing with the Pistons, he lost all explosiveness.

http://www.82games.com/0708/playoffs/07DET11A.HTM

76% of his points were on jumpshots. 98% of those jumpshots were assisted. 3/4 of his points came off of jumpshots that were setup from a teammate.

His block and steal numbers are irrelevant. Camby gets a lot of blocks, too, but his defense is overrated. His defense is nothing special at this point in his career, average at best, and that's probably being generous. He's been known for the "ole" defense.

Having McDyess at center doesn't help. You have 3 PF's, and Murphy is the only one who has seen extended minutes at C, and that's probably not a good idea. You're frontcourt is very poor defensively.

And I'm not sure anyone loves Z-BO unless you love his 20 and 10 averages!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 7 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 7 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 7 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 7 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well drafting McDyess for defensive purposes is a failure in itself. At this point, McDyess is a jump-shooter, who NEEDS to be assisted on his jumpshots. Basically he's a standalone guy who can hit an open jumpshot. But he's damn good at hitting those jump shots. With his knee issues, he should be playing about 20 MPG only.

Randolph is terrible. We all know this.


jtballa2o1: 171, 250

celticking: Randolph (112), 292

That trade is just mind boggling all around. Trading for Zach Randolph is horrible, and CK had to eat crow on his mistake and make a bad trade based upon where Randolph was picked. Moving down 59 now to move up 42 later. CK sort of screwed himself by picking Zach, but at least was able to get something for him.</div>
ok 1st of all mcydess just doesn't sit around and take jumpers getting him for defense is a good idea actually, he averaged close to 9 rebounds per game last year and almost 1 block so hes still somewhat effective now the big deal with Zach ok well he never contributed to winning but he could always get benched on my team in a worst case scanrio and I could still compete and be effective. I dont get it either KC and maybe like 1 or 2 other guys on here hate Zach and now everyone does??
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Everyone's been hating on Z-Bo, forever. Seriously. If you're going to bring up defense, never bring up blocking and rebounding. You'll just look silly.
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But the man plays defense Ive watched piston games before, I don't mean to sound cocky but I really don't see how someone can bash my team right now except if your talking about perimeter D maybe, I feel pretty confident that I have a lot of weapons
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Build your team whatever you like.this is for fun.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 7 2008, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 7 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 7 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well drafting McDyess for defensive purposes is a failure in itself. At this point, McDyess is a jump-shooter, who NEEDS to be assisted on his jumpshots. Basically he's a standalone guy who can hit an open jumpshot. But he's damn good at hitting those jump shots. With his knee issues, he should be playing about 20 MPG only.

Randolph is terrible. We all know this.


jtballa2o1: 171, 250

celticking: Randolph (112), 292

That trade is just mind boggling all around. Trading for Zach Randolph is horrible, and CK had to eat crow on his mistake and make a bad trade based upon where Randolph was picked. Moving down 59 now to move up 42 later. CK sort of screwed himself by picking Zach, but at least was able to get something for him.</div>
ok 1st of all mcydess just doesn't sit around and take jumpers getting him for defense is a good idea actually, he averaged close to 9 rebounds per game last year and almost 1 block so hes still somewhat effective now the big deal with Zach ok well he never contributed to winning but he could always get benched on my team in a worst case scanrio and I could still compete and be effective. I dont get it either KC and maybe like 1 or 2 other guys on here hate Zach and now everyone does??
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McDyess is a very capable rebounder. He's 34 and has had 3 seperate serious knee injuries, He missed 2 and a half full seasons due to these knee issues, and when he came back to playing with the Pistons, he lost all explosiveness.

http://www.82games.com/0708/playoffs/07DET11A.HTM

76% of his points were on jumpshots. 98% of those jumpshots were assisted. 3/4 of his points came off of jumpshots that were setup from a teammate.

His block and steal numbers are irrelevant. Camby gets a lot of blocks, too, but his defense is overrated. His defense is nothing special at this point in his career, average at best, and that's probably being generous. He's been known for the "ole" defense.

Having McDyess at center doesn't help. You have 3 PF's, and Murphy is the only one who has seen extended minutes at C, and that's probably not a good idea. You're frontcourt is very poor defensively.

And I'm not sure anyone loves Z-BO unless you love his 20 and 10 averages!
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Whatever really my team toke the wrong turn after the 2nd pick doesn't matter
 
McDyess is an awesome backup PF. He is one of the best shooters in the league so he opens the floor for penetration and he is lethal on pick and pops. He's also a super rebounder. He's still active and a quick leaper. (TBC)
 
McDyess can't average more than 20 or so MPG and can never play more than 25 even in an emergency. He must be constantly monitored. If he plays too much all of his effectiveness goes away and he is basically worthless.
 
As for McDyess' defense, that's not why you draft him. He can still bear down if needed and probably get a stop or two, but he only has enough left in the tank to work hard on one end. That means the coach will have to try and hide him defensively.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 7 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for McDyess' defense, that's not why you draft him. He can still bear down if needed and probably get a stop or two, but he only has enough left in the tank to work hard on one end. That means the coach will have to try and hide him defensively.</div>
oooh well damn i screwed up -__- but well I still think it was a solid pick.
 
Randolph, Murphy and McDyess is a bad combination. They are all good rebounders, good shooters and Randolph is often unstoppable in the post. But they all need the ball in good position to be effective, play less than zero defense, and can't pass. Ugly.
 
You can still get a defensive minded center in the 7th to balance out the starting lineup. However, with Redd and Melo, you have to focus on scoring 120+ a night anyways because you won't stop anyone.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 7 2008, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can still get a defensive minded center in the 7th to balance out the starting lineup. However, with Redd and Melo, you have to focus on scoring 120+ a night anyways because you won't stop anyone.</div>

I agree, at this point you have an offensive team, and if you're gonna focus on offense you gotta go all the way, if your gonna be good at something might as well be the best.
 
Wow, Grant hill is definitely a 6th round pick, at the most. Terrible. He's like 35. Good god, he'll be lucky if he plays 40 games next year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 8 2008, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, Grant hill is definitely a 6th round pick, at the most. Terrible. He's like 35. Good god, he'll be lucky if he plays 40 games next year.</div>

He should be okay if he's used sparingly like McDyess, and he's probably more effective, too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Aug 8 2008, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 8 2008, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, Grant hill is definitely a 6th round pick, at the most. Terrible. He's like 35. Good god, he'll be lucky if he plays 40 games next year.</div>

He should be okay if he's used sparingly like McDyess, and he's probably more effective, too.
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But he was picked in the 5th round. That's like picking JR Smith in rounds 2-5, and expecting him to come off the bench.

Oh wait
 
Real has asked me to skip him rather than hold up the draft because he won't be able to get on his computer.
 
i don't approve often, but john salmons is a GREAT pick. this guy was a stud when he started last year.
 
Thanks. I think he fits my team well. I picked him up in the 10th round last year, amazing what a season could do.
 
Any comments on my Paul Millsap pick?

and hows my starting lineup?

Nash
manu
Battier
Millsap
Ilgauskus
 
Nice pick Dino, The Paperboy FTW! lol Anyone with upcoming picks, I'd LOVE to move up from #170 for an upcoming pick, anyone willing to move down, hit me up with an offer.
 
Looking to move up, ignore J_Ray
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 8 2008, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Looking to move up, ignore J_Ray
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Shut it down



Seriously, I'm looking to move up into the next 10 picks at least
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Aug 8 2008, 04:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Any comments on my Paul Millsap pick?

and hows my starting lineup?

Nash
manu
Battier
Millsap
Ilgauskus</div>

I like this feisty team a lot, but big Z doesn't seem to fit- and he's pretty creaky, though he had a nce playoffs.
 
I selected BigZ coz hes the only legit 7 footer left when it was my turn to select. Whats good about my team and espicially BigZ is that they have a lot of playoff expierience. BigZ has a decent mid-range game which he could benefit from Nash. But injuries is a major set back I agree.

I do think my team can go far in the playoffs, but champs? I'd have to see howd the other teams did.
 
Is it pass the skipping time over in the east coast? lol sorry I'm tired, but if it is I will change it.
 
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