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We'll finally know how much difference there is between 6'3" CJ and 6'3" Dame. Watch Dame be taller...
Heh... recently and over the years I've read soooooo many claims from posters of various players having growth spurts into their 20s justifying their listed measurement being several inches above what they measured barefoot at their respective combines. I've linked studies on growth showing how incredibly rare it is for males to grow significantly in their late teens/early 20s to no avail. I think you may be referencing a thread years back where posters were claiming CJ went on a late growth spurt after his combine making him a good fit size wise next to Dame. He was almost 22 years old at the time and measured 6'2.25 barefoot. The year prior, following 4 years of college Lillard had measured 6'1.75 barefoot at his respective combine. We shall see.

In sports and life, some people choose a fantastical pretend world over actual facts. They shape things to the echo the reality they prefer. As a facts guy, I like that this move by the league regardless of what is revealed.

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Heh... recently and over the years I've read soooooo many claims from posters of various players having growth spurts into their 20s justifying their listed measurement being several inches above what they measured barefoot at their respective combines. I've linked studies on growth showing how incredibly rare it is for males to grow significantly in their late teens/early 20s to no avail. I think you may be referencing a thread years back where posters were claiming CJ went on a late growth spurt after his combine making him a good fit size wise next to Dame. He was almost 22 years old at the time and measured 6'2.25 barefoot. The year prior, following 4 years of college Lillard had measured 6'1.75 barefoot at his respective combine. We shall see.

In sports and life, some people prefer a fantastical pretend world to actual facts. They seem to shape things to justify the stance they are taking. As a facts guy, I like that this move by the league regardless of what is revealed.

STOMP

who's going to regulate it? What's to prevent teams from fudging? Like I said, the combine measurements are the ones that are only relevant and they are accurate for the most part. Once in the league it's your talent and not your measurements that carry one in the league.
 
If they can make it accurate then great but other than having a rep come out and measure every player i am not sure how the NBA will enforce this?
 
I love it. I get sick of announcers saying every tall guy is a "7 footer". There is no way Durant is 7 feet tall for example. Maybe 6-10, but not 7 feet.
 
I love it. I get sick of announcers saying every tall guy is a "7 footer". There is no way Durant is 7 feet tall for example. Maybe 6-10, but not 7 feet.
@BonesJones and I talked about him on our podcast out later today. He thinks Durant will be a legit 7 footer. I think you're closer at 6-10.
 
Yup, I'd imagine both Nurk and Collins will be just a tad under. Meyers might sneak over, he's pretty close to being legit.

I think most players use their in shoes measurement and will likely round up so a 6'5.5" guy in shoes will be listed as 6'6". Aldridge on the other hand actually measured out at 6'11.25" with shoes and is listed at 6'11" so it seems to go both ways. To me it's a moot point as to what each players actual height is anyway as I will typically look at predraft measurements and not pay any attention after that. Like I pointed out earlier and KJ reemphasized is how is it really going to be monitored? and in my book why should we care as there will likely still be some fudging. I played in a 6' and under league and I was 6' and there were many players taller than me. A guy I went to high school with was listed as 6'2" in high school and was clearly taller than me and he joked that it was because of his fro. I had the curse of thin straight hair so it didn't make me look taller, lol.
 
Like I said, the combine measurements are the ones that are only relevant and they are accurate for the most part. Once in the league it's your talent and not your measurements that carry one in the league.
For the posters who prefer reality based discussions, it will definitely have some benefits. Having an accurate baseline set of facts will debunk ridiculous claims from fantasy land posters trying to justify arguments they're making based on BS. It will shed light on whether a 2 can reasonably be expected to guard a 3 on switches etc. when we're debating Free Agents. Teams have no reason to fudge these sorts of measurements, but players do.

Like I said, some posters prefer their fantasy world so I'm not surprised there is some resistance to this.

STOMP
 
For the posters who prefer reality based discussions, it will definitely have some benefits. Having an accurate baseline set of facts will debunk ridiculous claims from fantasy land posters trying to justify arguments they're making based on BS. It will shed light on whether a 2 can reasonably be expected to guard a 3 on switches etc. when we're debating Free Agents. Teams have no reason to fudge these sorts of measurements, but players do.

Like I said, some posters prefer their fantasy world so I'm not surprised there is some resistance to this.

STOMP

In what reality does it make a difference to a fan if CJ is 6'2 or 6'3 or Zach Collins is 610" or 6'11? Like i said, either the player can play or not. For the most part we're probably talking on average at most an inch and probably less
 
Not in reality, but in fantastical pretend time that I've encountered time and again (most recently from you) where a poster claims a player has bucked statistics and grown several inches after they came into the league.

Despite repeating yourself again and again, you're wrong about this affecting listed measurements by an inch or less. For their height listing, players most commonly take their w/shoes measurement and round up which results in bumps of listings up to 2.5" over barefoot. Zach isn't listed at 6'11, he's listed at 7' despite measuring at 6'10.25 barefoot. Anfernee Simons measured 6'2.25 and is listed 6'4. Nassir Little just measured 6'4.5 barefoot and yet is listed today at 6'7. Those are Portland's last 3 picks, shall I continue?

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Not in reality, but in fantastical pretend time that I've encountered time and again (most recently from you) where a poster claims a player has bucked statistics and grown several inches after they came into the league.

Despite repeating yourself again and again, you're wrong about this affecting listed measurements by an inch or less. For their height listing, players most commonly take their w/shoes measurement and round up which results in bumps of listings up to 2.5" over barefoot. Zach isn't listed at 6'11, he's listed at 7' despite measuring at 6'10.25 barefoot. Anfernee Simons measured 6'2.25 and is listed 6'4. Nassir Little just measured 6'4.5 barefoot and yet is listed today at 6'7. Those are Portland's last 3 picks, shall I continue?

STOMP

You pretty much proved my point as I said most players use their with shoes measurement and round up which is exactly what you stated with Simons and Collins. If you thought ESPN or any other NBA sites measurements for players were their barefoot height, then that's on you as I never looked at it that way. By the way, on ESPN ( as well as at the predraft measurements) Little is listed at 6'6" not 6'7"which pretty much follows the same trend. Most measurements with shoes are anywhere from 1" to 1.5" more with a few exceptions.

I will ask you this. If Little is listed at 6'4,5" (barefoot) on ESPN how does that change whether he can play or not? I really only look at measurements before the draft and after that, once drafted I evaluate them on what they can do on the floor, not on how tall they are. I would venture a guess that almost all the players listed on ESPN are measurements with shoes and rounded up so if you knock off that 1" to 1.5" of their height, it will still be about the same difference. I just don't see it as a big deal like you do.

PS- Where did I make a claim that a player has grown several inches after drafted? If you can't provide the post, then please don't reference me as stating that.
 
For the posters who prefer reality based discussions, it will definitely have some benefits. Having an accurate baseline set of facts will debunk ridiculous claims from fantasy land posters trying to justify arguments they're making based on BS. It will shed light on whether a 2 can reasonably be expected to guard a 3 on switches etc. when we're debating Free Agents. Teams have no reason to fudge these sorts of measurements, but players do.

Like I said, some posters prefer their fantasy world so I'm not surprised there is some resistance to this.

STOMP
How does this help us know if a two can guard a 3 on switches... In another thread some where you literally say “height doesn’t matter they don’t play with the top of their heads”, now you’re saying knowing their height is going to help us know if a two can guard a three on switches...
 
You pretty much proved my point as I said most players use their with shoes measurement and round up which is exactly what you stated with Simons and Collins.
You just stated "For the most part we're probably talking on average at most an inch and probably less". Apparently proving your point is showing yourself to be completely wrong, which is par for the course with our discussions. Math says that on average it's double what you just claimed. For the 3 most recent Blazer 1st rounders, the difference was 1.75" twice and 2.5" for Little. I now see that more official listings have Little at 1.5" over his barefoot measurement... I got lazy and just punched his name into google but again, my overall point is that I want one set of accurate baseline facts.

If you thought ESPN or any other NBA sites measurements for players were their barefoot height, then that's on you as I never looked at it that way.
No I didn't (obviously) and have stated my dislike for the w/shoes measurement listings in our previous back and forths. It's on you that I have to keep repeating points that you can't remember. I'm happy the league has come to it's senses and is requiring barefoot measurements, which is why I started this thread... this shouldn't have to be explained.

By the way, on ESPN ( as well as at the predraft measurements) Little is listed at 6'6" not 6'7"which pretty much follows the same trend. Most measurements with shoes are anywhere from 1" to 1.5" more with a few exceptions.
Again, you just claimed in your previous post that the difference between current listings and barefoot would be "at most an inch and probably less." Can you keep anything straight?

I will ask you this. If Little is listed at 6'4,5" (barefoot) on ESPN how does that change whether he can play or not?
It doesn't, but thats not whats being discussed.

I just don't see it as a big deal like you do.
I'm hopeful a single accurate set of facts will help cut down completely inane discussions like this one... but that seems to be your thing.

STOMP
 
For the record, I like this move by the NBA. I think more accurate data is always better than less accurate data. It’ll also be interesting to see some of these numbers some of the guys that say they’re like 6’6, I look at and think eh that’s a stretch.
 
How does this help us know if a two can guard a 3 on switches... In another thread some where you literally say “height doesn’t matter they don’t play with the top of their heads”, now you’re saying knowing their height is going to help us know if a two can guard a three on switches...
I looked it up to correct myself you said.
Height isn't as important a measurement as weight, wingspan and standing reach as you don't play hoops with the top of your head. Little has legit NBA SF size in what matters.

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Which I somewhat agree with that assessment, but whatever.
 
How does this help us know if a two can guard a 3 on switches... In another thread some where you literally say “height doesn’t matter they don’t play with the top of their heads”, now you’re saying knowing their height is going to help us know if a two can guard a three on switches...
I doubt I said it "doesn't matter", more likely that it's not as important as other metrics like weight, wingspan and standing reach. If we know a two guard is on the short, light and not so long side relative to other wings, we can reasonably guess he's going to struggle guarding the bigger wings unless he's got off the charts athleticism that helps him compensate.

Generally, I just like "facts" to be accurate so we can hang our hats on something in our discussions.

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I doubt I said it "doesn't matter", more likely that it's not as important as other metrics like weight, wingspan and standing reach. If we know a two guard is on the short, light and not so long side relative to other wings, we can reasonably guess he's going to struggle guarding the bigger wings unless he's got off the charts athleticism that helps him compensate.

Generally, I just like "facts" to be accurate so we can hang our hats on something in our discussions.

STOMP
Fair enough and I went and fact checked myself as to what you had said.

I’m all for getting more accurate data, even for nothing else but to know what they really are because being told a guy is a 7 footer when he clearly isn’t does get old:
 
How does this help us know if a two can guard a 3 on switches... In another thread some where you literally say “height doesn’t matter they don’t play with the top of their heads”, now you’re saying knowing their height is going to help us know if a two can guard a three on switches...
Yeah there is a bunch more to it than just height. A total mismatch is still what it is when it's a 6 footer guarding a 7 footer. But this 1-2 inches here and there seems to be a bit overblown?
 
You just stated "For the most part we're probably talking on average at most an inch and probably less". Apparently proving your point is showing yourself to be completely wrong, which is par for the course with our discussions. Math says that on average it's double what you just claimed. For the 3 most recent Blazer 1st rounders, the difference was 1.75" twice and 2.5" for Little. I now see that more official listings have Little at 1.5" over his barefoot measurement... I got lazy and just punched his name into google but again, my overall point is that I want one set of accurate baseline facts.


No I didn't (obviously) and have stated my dislike for the w/shoes measurement listings in our previous back and forths. It's on you that I have to keep repeating points that you can't remember. I'm happy the league has come to it's senses and is requiring barefoot measurements, which is why I started this thread... this shouldn't have to be explained.


Again, you just claimed in your previous post that the difference between current listings and barefoot would be "at most an inch and probably less." Can you keep anything straight?


It doesn't, but thats not whats being discussed.


I'm hopeful a single accurate set of facts will help cut down completely inane discussions like this one... but that seems to be your thing.

STOMP

Obviously you misunderstood my point and maybe I didn't explain it well enough for you as your summary was not what I meant, but not interested enough to go back and explain further. Bottom line, accurate measurements are already available through the predraft camp for the majority of rookies coming in. Why is it important to know that Kwahi Leonard is maybe only 6'6" without shoes but is listed at 6'7"? Does that change your view of the player? If all measurements are done barefoot all players will be reduced by 1 to about 1.5" and I bet there will still be some fudging and rounding up as I doubt anyone will be monitoring it so a player measuring 6'5.5" will be listed at 6'6" and another one might be listed at 6'5" if he measures at 6'5.25", but in reality they are only 1/2" difference. There is maybe a handful of times that I might check a players height during the season, but there are so many factors besides just height that go into what to expect from a player. If an announcer calls a player like Collins a 7 footer, why does that bother you especially if you already know he isn't? Announcers sensationalize a lot more than just a players height and I really don't rely on them for that kind of info. If I need accurate info a quick search of the net usually gives me what I want.

For the record, I measured out at 5'11.75" at my last doctor appointment (barefoot) but I consider myself a 6'. Shame on me.

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Fair enough and I went and fact checked myself as to what you had said.

I’m all for getting more accurate data, even for nothing else but to know what they really are because being told a guy is a 7 footer when he clearly isn’t does get old:

The only accurate data that concerns me are the game stats for players and teams. How tall Zach Collins really means little to me and doesn't change how I watch a game.
 
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