NBA MVP

[nikee]

No one of Detroit will get the MVP, mainly cause they're good as a team, not as one player.Biggest chance of getting this got Kobe & Lebron. Elton Brand also had chances...but he lost them..

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Apr 9 2006, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding me?? Nash is what makes the Suns engine run. The Pistons engine would still run w/o Billups, b/c he's got the Wallace brothers, Rip, and Tayshuan</div>The Suns were going to the playoffs pre-nash and pre-Amare. Probably the least-talked about star in the league: Shawn Marion. Nash wasn't needed, he was a bonus. If you want to argue that Steve Nash = Stephon Marbury then fine. But he's not the MVP. He's not the best player on his team.

 

[nikee]

For me, Suns owes a lot to that guy Boris Diaw - he played as Center, PF, SF, SG..lol and he did well - 13.4pts , 6.8reb , 6.0ast for the whole season..75 games player/64 games started

 

[DevinHester23]

Well the fact is is that with Nash not in the lineup, the Suns have done horrible. An injury to Nash and Phoenix is fucked

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Apr 9 2006, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well the fact is is that with Nash not in the lineup, the Suns have done horrible. An injury to Nash and Phoenix is fucked</div>And without Stephon Marbury they didn't do well at all either. That offense needs a PG to set things up, but it doesn't seem to matter at all whether it's Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, or Stephon Marbury.

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 9 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Apr 9 2006, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well the fact is is that with Nash not in the lineup, the Suns have done horrible. An injury to Nash and Phoenix is fucked</div>And without Stephon Marbury they didn't do well at all either. That offense needs a PG to set things up, but it doesn't seem to matter at all whether it's Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, or Stephon Marbury.</div>Maybe, so are you saying that Nash got the MVP over the others last year b/c he missed 7 games and the Suns went 2-5 in those 7 games?

 

[Jon_Vilma]

[quote name='nikee' post='40007' date='Apr 9 2006, 04:06 PM']For me, Suns owes a lot to that guy Boris Diaw - he played as Center, PF, SF, SG..lol and he did well - 13.4pts , 6.8reb , 6.0ast for the whole season..75 games player/64 games started[/quote]And contrary to popular belief that Diaw is suddenly better because of Nash, he's not. He's gained experiance, but most importantly minutes. When Amare came back from his injury his numbers took a huge nose dive. Diaw's success is due to Amare not being in front of him anymore. When Amare is there, his numbers look terrible. When Amare isn't, Diaw's a stud. Simple as that, I wish he was on my Knicks.[quote name='KyleOrton18' post='40027' date='Apr 9 2006, 08:46 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='40026' date='Apr 9 2006, 10:44 PM'][quote name='KyleOrton18' post='40010' date='Apr 9 2006, 04:35 PM']Well the fact is is that with Nash not in the lineup, the Suns have done horrible. An injury to Nash and Phoenix is fucked[/quote]And without Stephon Marbury they didn't do well at all either. That offense needs a PG to set things up, but it doesn't seem to matter at all whether it's Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, or Stephon Marbury.[/quote]Maybe, so are you saying that Nash got the MVP over the others last year b/c he missed 7 games and the Suns went 2-5 in those 7 games?[/quote]Were Starbury or J-Kidd sitting behind him to take over? Like I said, the offense needs a point guard, but it just doesn't need to be Nash anymore than it needs to be Starbury or J-Kidd.

 

[NFLCCombs]

Usually on most boards I have to explain to the blind people why Kobe should be the MVP. This board seems to know whats up though, si looks like we're all good.In regards to Nash and Billups though. IMO you have to put Billups ahead of Nash. They are both having great years, but Billups has his team doing better. Billups plays defense, as to where Nash doesn't. He's just an all around better player, with a complete game. It makes no differense who Billups is playing with. How come that didn;t matter last year when Nash had Joe Johnson, Amare, Q Rich and Marion running with him? That lineup was way more efficient offensively then the Pistons team. So using that argument for Nash, and against Billups..just doesnt make sense.And Lebron is not an MVP. I'll take Melo over him anyday of the week.

 

[bobferg]

dierk > kobe

 

[nikee]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 10 2006, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Lebron is not an MVP. I'll take Melo over him anyday of the week.</div>you said that ,but all the rumours are between him & kobe - Bron made some winshots and stuff , in the direct game he was better than kobe and without him Cavs wont get anything & thats true.For me, the real MVP should be Elton Brand - Amazing season and he pushed the Clippers way forward...they play good..but..i dunno. Everyone love Lebron, not Melo. Thats true - When it was their first season, all lights were on Bron, not Melo.He's great player - so talanted and he's not so blown up like Bron but u know - NBA win a lot from LeBron and they want to push him up & up.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 9 2006, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Usually on most boards I have to explain to the blind people why Kobe should be the MVP. This board seems to know whats up though, si looks like we're all good.In regards to Nash and Billups though. IMO you have to put Billups ahead of Nash. They are both having great years, but Billups has his team doing better. Billups plays defense, as to where Nash doesn't. He's just an all around better player, with a complete game. It makes no differense who Billups is playing with. How come that didn;t matter last year when Nash had Joe Johnson, Amare, Q Rich and Marion running with him? That lineup was way more efficient offensively then the Pistons team. So using that argument for Nash, and against Billups..just doesnt make sense.And Lebron is not an MVP. I'll take Melo over him anyday of the week.</div>If it were a straight toss up fantasy draft, I'd take Nash over Billups. Though if it were any players on the team it would be Marion first, Ben Wallace 2nd, Amare (healthy) 3rd, Rasheed 4th, Nash 5th.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nikee @ Apr 10 2006, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 10 2006, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Lebron is not an MVP. I'll take Melo over him anyday of the week.</div>you said that ,but all the rumours are between him & kobe - Bron made some winshots and stuff , in the direct game he was better than kobe and without him Cavs wont get anything & thats true.For me, the real MVP should be Elton Brand - Amazing season and he pushed the Clippers way forward...they play good..but..i dunno. Everyone love Lebron, not Melo. Thats true - When it was their first season, all lights were on Bron, not Melo.He's great player - so talanted and he's not so blown up like Bron but u know - NBA win a lot from LeBron and they want to push him up & up.</div>Lebron has Z. That's more than any two players Kobe has combined. He's not a super star or anything, but a top 10 Center beats out a top 20 SF as a companion by far.Plus, Lebron passes the final shot too much. Chance to beat the Knicks, my crappy Knicks, and he passes the ball and they lose... to the Knicks!!!

 

[NFLCCombs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bobferg @ Apr 10 2006, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dierk > kobe</div>Why is everybody spelling his name like that? It's Dirk. Not even worth a thought out response.

 

[Agent Zero]

by Sam RubensteinKobe and LeBron are a part of every MVP conversation for something like this: great numbers, 30 point-plus scorers, carrying flawed teams on their backs to the heights of mediocrity. Okay, then I've got another guy to add to the list. Gilbert Arenas. He's at 29.5 a game right now, which is close enough, not to mention his six assists per game and two steals, good enough for fourth in the league. LeBron's team stole Larry Hughes from him, and Gilbert responded by adding four points and one more assist every time out, plus he took over Larry's role on the defensive end. Last year Hughes led the league in steals, this year Gilbert leads all players headed to the playoffs. Granted, Antawn Jamison is arguably better than anyone that Kobe or LeBron plays with, and Gilbert's in Eddie Jordan's scorer-friendly system. But you cannot deny that the Wizards go as Gilbert goes. He's already made a handful of crunch time baskets, drawing fouls at the end, hitting big threes, but for whatever reason the media doesn't make a big deal out of whether he's clutch or not. He is. Maybe it's because he wasn't a fancy lottery pick or even a first round pick like everyone else in MVP land.So much of this MVP race has come down to arguments about what individual players don't have around them. Kobe gets extra credit because he's doing so much with so little around him, though the potential is there for guys like Lamar Odom and even Kwame Brown to contribute more. For whatever reason, they're not playing up to their physical talent, which could mean that their team leader is not making them better. LeBron plays with one of the better centers, good shooters, and supposedly explosive wing players, though all we hear about is how everyone is underperforming and LeBron has to keep saving them. Well, Gilbert gets his numbers for the Wizards, but without taking away from what Jamison and Caron Butler can do.If you're thinking, huh, the Wizards? Were they even in the league this year? I could say nobody would have noticed the Lakers or Cavs if it weren't for their hyped up superstars. If we're willing to call the MVP an award for superior performance on a mediocre team, then Gilbert's right there with any of them. Personally I think the MVP should go to the best player on the best team, hence my vote is for Chauncey this year. But this is about Gilbert. An inconsistent team? Sure. Did they have a few 5 game losing streaks, one coming at a really bad time? Hey, nobody's perfect. Just don't be surprised when Gilbert is torching the young potential MVP in the first round.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Apr 19 2006, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>by Sam RubensteinKobe and LeBron are a part of every MVP conversation for something like this: great numbers, 30 point-plus scorers, carrying flawed teams on their backs to the heights of mediocrity. Okay, then I've got another guy to add to the list. Gilbert Arenas. He's at 29.5 a game right now, which is close enough, not to mention his six assists per game and two steals, good enough for fourth in the league. LeBron's team stole Larry Hughes from him, and Gilbert responded by adding four points and one more assist every time out, plus he took over Larry's role on the defensive end. Last year Hughes led the league in steals, this year Gilbert leads all players headed to the playoffs. Granted, Antawn Jamison is arguably better than anyone that Kobe or LeBron plays with, and Gilbert's in Eddie Jordan's scorer-friendly system. But you cannot deny that the Wizards go as Gilbert goes. He's already made a handful of crunch time baskets, drawing fouls at the end, hitting big threes, but for whatever reason the media doesn't make a big deal out of whether he's clutch or not. He is. Maybe it's because he wasn't a fancy lottery pick or even a first round pick like everyone else in MVP land.So much of this MVP race has come down to arguments about what individual players don't have around them. Kobe gets extra credit because he's doing so much with so little around him, though the potential is there for guys like Lamar Odom and even Kwame Brown to contribute more. For whatever reason, they're not playing up to their physical talent, which could mean that their team leader is not making them better. LeBron plays with one of the better centers, good shooters, and supposedly explosive wing players, though all we hear about is how everyone is underperforming and LeBron has to keep saving them. Well, Gilbert gets his numbers for the Wizards, but without taking away from what Jamison and Caron Butler can do.If you're thinking, huh, the Wizards? Were they even in the league this year? I could say nobody would have noticed the Lakers or Cavs if it weren't for their hyped up superstars. If we're willing to call the MVP an award for superior performance on a mediocre team, then Gilbert's right there with any of them. Personally I think the MVP should go to the best player on the best team, hence my vote is for Chauncey this year. But this is about Gilbert. An inconsistent team? Sure. Did they have a few 5 game losing streaks, one coming at a really bad time? Hey, nobody's perfect. Just don't be surprised when Gilbert is torching the young potential MVP in the first round.</div>Little Known Fact about Arenas:His best quarter in the game is the 1st.His 2nd best quarter in the game is the 2nd.His 3rd best quarter in the game is the 3rd.His worst quarter in the game is the 4th.Translation: He gets worse as the game goes on. You can't have an MVP who is at his best in the 1st and at his worst in the 4th.

 

[Brooksie5]

It's because he plays online poker at halftime. Duh.

 

[Agent Zero]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 20 2006, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Apr 19 2006, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>by Sam RubensteinKobe and LeBron are a part of every MVP conversation for something like this: great numbers, 30 point-plus scorers, carrying flawed teams on their backs to the heights of mediocrity. Okay, then I've got another guy to add to the list. Gilbert Arenas. He's at 29.5 a game right now, which is close enough, not to mention his six assists per game and two steals, good enough for fourth in the league. LeBron's team stole Larry Hughes from him, and Gilbert responded by adding four points and one more assist every time out, plus he took over Larry's role on the defensive end. Last year Hughes led the league in steals, this year Gilbert leads all players headed to the playoffs. Granted, Antawn Jamison is arguably better than anyone that Kobe or LeBron plays with, and Gilbert's in Eddie Jordan's scorer-friendly system. But you cannot deny that the Wizards go as Gilbert goes. He's already made a handful of crunch time baskets, drawing fouls at the end, hitting big threes, but for whatever reason the media doesn't make a big deal out of whether he's clutch or not. He is. Maybe it's because he wasn't a fancy lottery pick or even a first round pick like everyone else in MVP land.So much of this MVP race has come down to arguments about what individual players don't have around them. Kobe gets extra credit because he's doing so much with so little around him, though the potential is there for guys like Lamar Odom and even Kwame Brown to contribute more. For whatever reason, they're not playing up to their physical talent, which could mean that their team leader is not making them better. LeBron plays with one of the better centers, good shooters, and supposedly explosive wing players, though all we hear about is how everyone is underperforming and LeBron has to keep saving them. Well, Gilbert gets his numbers for the Wizards, but without taking away from what Jamison and Caron Butler can do.If you're thinking, huh, the Wizards? Were they even in the league this year? I could say nobody would have noticed the Lakers or Cavs if it weren't for their hyped up superstars. If we're willing to call the MVP an award for superior performance on a mediocre team, then Gilbert's right there with any of them. Personally I think the MVP should go to the best player on the best team, hence my vote is for Chauncey this year. But this is about Gilbert. An inconsistent team? Sure. Did they have a few 5 game losing streaks, one coming at a really bad time? Hey, nobody's perfect. Just don't be surprised when Gilbert is torching the young potential MVP in the first round.</div>Little Known Fact about Arenas:His best quarter in the game is the 1st.His 2nd best quarter in the game is the 2nd.His 3rd best quarter in the game is the 3rd.His worst quarter in the game is the 4th.Translation: He gets worse as the game goes on. You can't have an MVP who is at his best in the 1st and at his worst in the 4th.</div>This is really old... but you are completely wrong...