OT NBA pulls all-star game from Charlotte

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Sucks for the city planners and booking agents in Charlotte. All that work for nothing.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Charlotte's loss should be Portland's gain.

Good to hear from you Neil!

 

[Minstrel]

Now the NBA is telling me that my beliefs are objectively wrong. I don't think it's any of the NBAs business that I don't want penises in the same restroom as my young daughter and I don't want penises in the locker room shower either. I'm such a Luddite.

The NBA is telling you nothing of the sort. The NBA is telling you it doesn't want to do business in North Carolina due to this bill. Nothing more, nothing less. You remain free to believe what you believe and the NBA has nothing to do with that, nor is it claiming it does.

If you haven't read 1984 then you should. This is just creepy.

I have. It's a great book. Nothing to do with this, though.

 

[Minstrel]

I think basketball should stay out of politics (aside from clear race issues).

Why only "clear race issues?" How are you determining what corporations can and can't choose to not associate with?

So now I'm kind of forced to decide if I want to support the NBA and their march on social issues.

It's cool that you get to make that decision about whether to support or not to support based on your beliefs. The NBA is doing the same thing.

 

[santeesioux]

There's still people that think that "black Thanksgiving" will ever come to lily white hipsterville Portland?

 

[riverman]

I'm glad the ambassadors of goodwill are not limited to the Globetrotters...it was the right call from my view. Tear down those walls...hit them in the pocketbook. South Africa changed from being isolated...North Carolina politics needed a wake up call

 

[Reep]

You guys really think NC is racist because they don't want penises in the same bathroom as little girls? Seriously?

That is all this is about. Not sex, orientation or race. Maybe I've been away from Portland too long, but I really don't want boys in the same showers as my girls either.

 

[theprunetang]

You guys really think NC is racist because they don't want penises in the same bathroom as little girls? Seriously?

That is all this is about. Not sex, orientation or race. Maybe I've been away from Portland too long, but I really don't want boys in the same showers as my girls either.

Just watch this.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

You guys really think NC is racist because they don't want penises in the same bathroom as little girls? Seriously?

That is all this is about. Not sex, orientation or race. Maybe I've been away from Portland too long, but I really don't want boys in the same showers as my girls either.

What harm do you think trans women using the women's bathroom is going to cause little girls?

 

[Minstrel]

You guys really think NC is racist

Racist? No. Well, not because of this anyway.

 

[Reep]

What harm do you think trans women using the women's bathroom is going to cause little girls?

Excellent job repeating the PC narrative. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is concerned about this issue because of true TG people. The problem is there is no check on the difference between a true TG person and pervert voyeur. I would welcome a law like the one in NC so I don't have to worry every time I send my young daughter into the bathroom by herself. When I go to public places now I routinely see dads taking their not so young girls into the mens room because at least there they can protect her. In the women's room not so much.

I accept that I am in the minority here, but I really do wish some people could set aside the MSNBC/CNN narrative and think about the reality of letting any man to legally enter a women's bathroom.

And I want the NBA to stay the hell out of issues that have nothing to do with basketball. Yes, it is their right, but I'm sure many of you would feel differently if the NBA boycotted states that legalized pot, or some other social issue that you cared about.

 

[theprunetang]

Excellent job repeating the PC narrative. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is concerned about this issue because of true TG people. The problem is there is no check on the difference between a true TG person and pervert voyeur. I would welcome a law like the one in NC so I don't have to worry every time I send my young daughter into the bathroom by herself. When I go to public places now I routinely see dads taking their not so young girls into the mens room because at least there they can protect her. In the women's room not so much.

I accept that I am in the minority here, but I really do wish some people could set aside the MSNBC/CNN narrative and think about the reality of letting any man to legally enter a women's bathroom.

And I want the NBA to stay the hell out of issues that have nothing to do with basketball. Yes, it is their right, but I'm sure many of you would feel differently if the NBA boycotted states that legalized pot, or some other social issue that you cared about.

When I go to public places now I routinely see dads taking their not so young girls into the mens room because at least there they can protect her.

So it's ok for these dad's to enter the girl's bathroom but not tranagendered people. What are you really scared of? You can check one of two things, you are scared of men being in the bathroom, or you are scared or tranagendered people. Given what you have written, you really can only check one of those boxes off.

And seriously watch that video I posted. It might just change your mind.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't women's restrooms typically come equipped with privacy stalls?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Excellent job repeating the PC narrative. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is concerned about this issue because of true TG people. The problem is there is no check on the difference between a true TG person and pervert voyeur. I would welcome a law like the one in NC so I don't have to worry every time I send my young daughter into the bathroom by herself. When I go to public places now I routinely see dads taking their not so young girls into the mens room because at least there they can protect her. In the women's room not so much.

I accept that I am in the minority here, but I really do wish some people could set aside the MSNBC/CNN narrative and think about the reality of letting any man to legally enter a women's bathroom.

And I want the NBA to stay the hell out of issues that have nothing to do with basketball. Yes, it is their right, but I'm sure many of you would feel differently if the NBA boycotted states that legalized pot, or some other social issue that you cared about.

I don't watch or read MSNBC/CNN and I certainly don't just follow their narrative. I also don't really care what the NBA does or doesn't support.

It's not about letting any man legally enter a women's bathroom, it's about letting trans women do it, as they have been doing for years and years without much issue at all.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is concerned about this issue because of true TG people.

Bullshit. You don't actually believe this do you? Hell, I think you care about this because of real trans people since earlier you were aghast simply at the idea of penises being in the same room as your daughters.. Which is ridiculous.

 

[theprunetang]

I don't watch or read MSNBC/CNN and I certainly don't just follow their narrative. I also don't really care what the NBA does or doesn't support.

It's not about letting any man legally enter a women's bathroom, it's about letting trans women do it, as they have been doing for years and years without much issue at all.


Bullshit. You don't actually believe this do you? Hell, I think you care about this because of real trans people since earlier you were aghast simply at the idea of penises being in the same room as your daughters.. Which is ridiculous.

Word.

 

[Further]

Reep, I do understand your view, and I don't think it means you are necessarily homophobic or anything like that, but I do think you are wrong on the issue. TG have been using public bathrooms for ages. As far as non-TG people using the bathroom for perverted purposes, do you really think this law will actually affect their actions? I don't know your stance on guns, but a common refrain from pro-gun advocates is that laws restricting ownership will only affect those abide by the law and that criminals will not adhere to those laws. Well, I think perverts might even fall into that class more fervently, the law will not obstruct them from doing what they feel compelled to do, it will only affect those who are actual TG folk who will follow the law.

 

[Cippy91]

I'm all for equality but at the same time that law they have in place has nothing to do with the game of basketball. Shouldn't punish the fans that were looking forward to this because their state has shit fucked up. I guess we should just can Charlotte as a team then right? get real

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Just watch this.

"Some of y'all people are just afraid of things y'all don't have the capacity to comprehend, homos...algebra...shit like that."

 

[crandc]

No one is "letting any man into women's restroom" and no one with any knowledge of the issue thinks so. Those who say this are being deliberately ignorant. Or just bigots.

I stand with CJ. Bring it to Portland. Rain is good for the complexion.

 

[Denny Crane]

You guys really think NC is racist because they don't want penises in the same bathroom as little girls? Seriously?

That is all this is about. Not sex, orientation or race. Maybe I've been away from Portland too long, but I really don't want boys in the same showers as my girls either.

Do you show your penis to little boys in the men's room?

 

[julius]

This just got awkward...

 

[Minstrel]

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is concerned about this issue because of true TG people. The problem is there is no check on the difference between a true TG person and pervert voyeur.

What currently prevents people with criminal intent from entering bathrooms? Short of putting bouncers/armed guards on every public bathroom entrance, voyeurs/rapists/whatever can already get access to bathrooms of either gender. It's just an unpleasant reality and not one caused by transgender people. Creating a law that adds no extra safety, but does inconvenience greatly the lives of people who aren't harmful to anyone, doesn't make sense.

At least, it doesn't make sense if safety really is the concern. And, while I wish your sentiment that "no one is concerned about true transgendered people" was true, I don't think that's the case at all. I think the law was created precisely to target transgendered people, and the safety issue was the pretext. I'm not saying that's true of you--the first paragraph of my post, about the safety issue, was responding to your concerns. But I think the lawmakers absolutely are prejudiced.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I was listening to some talk radio the other day and someone brought up the "shower issue". Some story somewhere about a boy, who I believe was identifying as a female, wanted to use the girls locker room at school. I never really thought of that angle. Open showers could make female students pretty uncomfortable if someone who looked like a boy was taking a shower next to them. Same would go towards boys if a girl showered with them.

I admit to being pretty ignorant with this issue. I understand both sides, I think? If a male identifies as a female, they should be able to feel comfortable when using the restroom. The other people in the restroom should feel comfortable too. However, someone could use these laws as an access point to assault.

 

[crandc]

The law also overturns civil rights protection passed in Charlotte and prohibits any other city from enacting civil rights protection.
The law overturns the right of people discriminated against (for any reason) to sue in state court.
The law overturns increased minimum wage in several cities and prohibits any city/county from raising the minimum wage above the federal level.

Short of having a cop in every public restroom taking DNA samples, there is no way to prevent transgender people from using public facilities, as they have always done without incident. The "men in women's restrooms" is a pile of bullshit. This is a scare tactic, a wedge issue to attack gay rights. Since they can't overturn the marriages or throw us out of the military, since they can't undo the nondiscrimination policies of most major (and less major) companies, since people can now live normal lives with HIV, they have to come up with some other hate and fear tactic. So they invent men pretending to be transwomen to attack little white girls in public restrooms. Never happened. Simply a way to get unthinking people to oppose civil rights by telling them their daughter will be raped by a 300 lb man pretending to be a woman.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The law also overturns civil rights protection passed in Charlotte and prohibits any other city from enacting civil rights protection.
The law overturns the right of people discriminated against (for any reason) to sue in state court.
The law overturns increased minimum wage in several cities and prohibits any city/county from raising the minimum wage above the federal level.

Short of having a cop in every public restroom taking DNA samples, there is no way to prevent transgender people from using public facilities, as they have always done without incident. The "men in women's restrooms" is a pile of bullshit. This is a scare tactic, a wedge issue to attack gay rights. Since they can't overturn the marriages or throw us out of the military, since they can't undo the nondiscrimination policies of most major (and less major) companies, since people can now live normal lives with HIV, they have to come up with some other hate and fear tactic. So they invent men pretending to be transwomen to attack little white girls in public restrooms. Never happened. Simply a way to get unthinking people to oppose civil rights by telling them their daughter will be raped by a 300 lb man pretending to be a woman.

Pretty much spot on on this.

 

[Reep]

Do I really have to say it again? I'm not concerned with true TG in the lady's room. I am concerned with new laws that now allow men to walk in to the lady's room and if someone questions them at all, they are transphobic. I am not remotely homophobic, but also don't see the TG bathroom issue as related in any way to LGB issues.

Before the new TG bathroom laws, no, men did not just walk into the lady's room.

And Denny, I can't believe you equate a boy looking around in the men's room to a young girl seeing an adult penis in the lady's room. Not sure what to say.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't women's restrooms typically come equipped with privacy stalls?

THERE'S NO PRIVACY STALLS FOR WHEN I TAKE A NICE, LOUD SMELLY SHIT YO!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Do I really have to say it again? I'm not concerned with true TG in the lady's room. I am concerned with new laws that now allow men to walk in to the lady's room and if someone questions them at all, they are transphobic. I am not remotely homophobic, but also don't see the TG bathroom issue as related in any way to LGB issues.

Before the new TG bathroom laws, no, men did not just walk into the lady's room.

And Denny, I can't believe you equate a boy looking around in the men's room to a young girl seeing an adult penis in the lady's room. Not sure what to say.

Yeah, if shit like this happens, I'll just go into women's rooms if the mens room has a line. I do that at restaurants if there is a single use women's room anyway, now it'll be legal yo.

 

[Minstrel]

The answer, really, is unisex bathrooms. If you're concerned about your daughter, just go in with her and guard her, as you would anywhere else. Why are bathrooms particularly more rape/molestation-prone than any other place where men and women can run into one another? It can all be stalls, so you have a door to lock when you expose your genitals.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Fuck the All Star Game.