NBA: Stackhouse cannot return to Mavs

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To be fair, George asked for a trade just a few weeks ago.

-Petey</div>

I don't care if it's Kobe Bryant or DJ Mbenga, how do you not call the guy with the no-trade clause?

There were only four people in the country (Cuban, Thorn, Stern and Geroge) who could stop the trade, and the Mavs managed to piss off two of them.

 

[go nets]

it doesnt matter hassell would just be bought out immediatly with the original 3million cuban was goin to send for stacks,

for all we know the memphis deal is just pending on this deal to go thru first so both these deals might happen at the same time and we'll be left with 13 on the roster

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because of Harris & his PPP status, the Nets would be cutting tons of money and should be well below the luxury tax. I think they could actually cut Allen, Wright or Armstrong while taking on KVH, & Hassell w/o hitting the luxury tax.

Anyone able to run the math?

-Petey</div>

It could make sense to still cut Allen, trade Wright along with Kidd and still take back the 2nd rounder and the trade exception.

And, as for this season, I believe we had enough leg room to sign an extra player, so releasing Malik and trading for those guys wouldn't be too big of a deal.

Are we still getting Diop back? We should, considering we'd have to take on Hassel's mildly shitty contract.

 

[ly_yng]

You know what?

Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.

He should sue the NBA.

I don't know enough about how this works, but I imagine the CBA is a legally binding document between the franchises, the players and the league. For Stern to change the rules halfway through the season without an owner's vote could be construed as a breach of contract, no?

If not Cuban, the Player's Union absolutely has the right to fight this. This was an opportunity for Stackhouse to get more money and a paid vacation, and the league is blocking it.

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.</div>

Month? The deadline is next Thursday.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 15 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 15 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"If Stackhouse had kept quiet, the league would not have been able to prove anything," a Western Conference executive said.

The executive added that team owners have been calling commissioner David Stern to complain about the Stackhouse part of the deal, and that several GMs would have been incensed if he had allowed the trade -- and subsequent return of Stackhouse to Dallas -- to go through.

"Every GM from a potential playoff team in the Western Conference is complaining about this,'' the executive said. "If the league allows this trade to go through, it'll have a major credibility issue on its hands. Our collective bargaining agreement's not worth anything if this goes through.''</div>

WTF is this??!!

Either it's a rule or it's not.

Since it's not, any one of those clowns can (and would) do the exact same thing.
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WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA

GM's are bitching about this, so they're gonna prevent it from happening? OKAY.

So how bout we take back the Gasol trade, give the Grizzlies Gasol back, and give the Lakers Kwame, Critt, and the draft picks back!!

F***ing ridiculous. They're all a bunch of f***ing hypocrites.
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Because the Gasol trade was legal...
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So is what the Nets and Mavs are trying to do.

If we're talking about ruining the integrity of the NBA, then how in the hell are they okay with LA sending trash for an All-Star?

Hell, at least Dallas is sending two young players with realistic potential, who have actually proven themselves.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 15 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.</div>

Month? The deadline is next Thursday.
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I think he was talking if the trade was to happen. He'd have a month to fight the league and find a way to be able to re-sign Stack.

 

[Denny Crane]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't even get me started on how ****ing dumb Stackhouse and his dumb ****ing mouth are. God damn it.</div>

Even Payton put on a dog and pony show.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Gary Payton was back in Celtics green Friday night, one week after Boston shipped him off to Atlanta in a trade for Antoine Walker. Payton, who re-signed with Boston on Friday after being waived by the Hawks, said he chose the Celtics over Sacramento and Phoenix. "I thought Boston was the better fit," Payton said before the Celtics faced Charlotte on Friday night.

"With the young guys, I thought I was obligated to come back to them and teach them some more," he said. "The young kids were calling me almost every day saying 'come on back Gary.' I decided it was the right fit to come back here."</div>
Link.


Even so, it's not really Stackhouse's fault. There's no rule.



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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...&id=2121672

<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%">Ten nuggets in the new CBA</span>
1. Call this one the Gary Payton Rule: Players who are traded and then waived by their new team cannot sign back with the team that traded them for 30 days (20 days in the offseason). Payton, you'll recall, was dealt from Boston to Atlanta in the Antoine Walker trade-deadline swap in February, only to rejoin the Celtics three days later. Had this rule been in place last season, Payton still would have been eligible for the playoffs after Atlanta released him March 1, but he would have been forced to wait until March 31 to re-sign with Boston.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (article in first post)</div><div class='quotemain'>The 30-day rule was added to the league's collective bargaining agreement as a response to a trade between Boston and Atlanta in 2005. In that deal, Boston sent Gary Payton to Atlanta to reacquire Antoine Walker with the understanding that the Hawks would immediately waive Payton, who then re-signed with Boston three days later.

The league frowned on this move, and instituted the 30-day rule. By flouting the rule so publicly, Stackhouse may have given the league no choice but to eliminate him from the deal or prevent the Mavericks from re-signing him.

"If Stackhouse had kept quiet, the league would not have been able to prove anything," a Western Conference executive said.

The executive added that team owners have been calling commissioner David Stern to complain about the Stackhouse part of the deal, and that several GMs would have been incensed if he had allowed the trade -- and subsequent return of Stackhouse to Dallas -- to go through.

"Every GM from a potential playoff team in the Western Conference is complaining about this,'' the executive said. "If the league allows this trade to go through, it'll have a major credibility issue on its hands. Our collective bargaining agreement's not worth anything if this goes through.''</div>

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 15 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.</div>

Month? The deadline is next Thursday.
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I mean, do the deal with Stackhouse, have the Nets buy him out immediately, and then stare down Stern for the 30 days till they are, under the rules of the CBA, allowed to re-sign him.

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 15 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 15 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.</div>

Month? The deadline is next Thursday.
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I think he was talking if the trade was to happen. He'd have a month to fight the league and find a way to be able to re-sign Stack.
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Oh, I see, but somehow I don't think Cuban wants to risk it.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Feb 15 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't even get me started on how ****ing dumb Stackhouse and his dumb ****ing mouth are. God damn it.</div>

Even Payton put on a dog and pony show.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Gary Payton was back in Celtics green Friday night, one week after Boston shipped him off to Atlanta in a trade for Antoine Walker. Payton, who re-signed with Boston on Friday after being waived by the Hawks, said he chose the Celtics over Sacramento and Phoenix. "I thought Boston was the better fit," Payton said before the Celtics faced Charlotte on Friday night.

"With the young guys, I thought I was obligated to come back to them and teach them some more," he said. "The young kids were calling me almost every day saying 'come on back Gary.' I decided it was the right fit to come back here."</div>
Link.


Even so, it's not really Stackhouse's fault. There's no rule.



</div>


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...&id=2121672

<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%">Ten nuggets in the new CBA</span>
1. Call this one the Gary Payton Rule: Players who are traded and then waived by their new team cannot sign back with the team that traded them for 30 days (20 days in the offseason). Payton, you'll recall, was dealt from Boston to Atlanta in the Antoine Walker trade-deadline swap in February, only to rejoin the Celtics three days later. Had this rule been in place last season, Payton still would have been eligible for the playoffs after Atlanta released him March 1, but he would have been forced to wait until March 31 to re-sign with Boston.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (article in first post)</div><div class='quotemain'>The 30-day rule was added to the league's collective bargaining agreement as a response to a trade between Boston and Atlanta in 2005. In that deal, Boston sent Gary Payton to Atlanta to reacquire Antoine Walker with the understanding that the Hawks would immediately waive Payton, who then re-signed with Boston three days later.

The league frowned on this move, and instituted the 30-day rule. By flouting the rule so publicly, Stackhouse may have given the league no choice but to eliminate him from the deal or prevent the Mavericks from re-signing him.

"If Stackhouse had kept quiet, the league would not have been able to prove anything," a Western Conference executive said.

The executive added that team owners have been calling commissioner David Stern to complain about the Stackhouse part of the deal, and that several GMs would have been incensed if he had allowed the trade -- and subsequent return of Stackhouse to Dallas -- to go through.

"Every GM from a potential playoff team in the Western Conference is complaining about this,'' the executive said. "If the league allows this trade to go through, it'll have a major credibility issue on its hands. Our collective bargaining agreement's not worth anything if this goes through.''</div>
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I posted the exact same quote in this thread, Denny.

I repeat. THERE IS NO RULE! Stackhouse can sign with the Mavs if he waits 30 days.

There is no credibility issue. The rules of the CBA are being followed.

 

[Dumpy]

This is awesome. Doesn't anyone see the irony? Who is Stackhouse's agent? Jeff Schwartz goes out and announces (1) Kidd demands a trade; (2) Kidd insists on getting traded to Dallas (basically); and (3) Kidd will not accept being traded anywhere else. So what happens? The Nets oblige him and one of Schwartz's own other clients fucks it up! Now what is Schwartz's position? Jeff Schwartz could not be getting more fucked by this. Either he loses credibility for retracting Kidd's trade request, or he loses credibility by expanding the list of teams that Kidd will play for. And he loses the 4% of the extension the Mavs were going to give Kidd, as well as the 4% of the MLE that the Mavs were going to give Stackhouse.

At least one person in all this is getting what he deserves!

 

[Real]

I feel cheated by the NBA. Can't say that's the first time that's happened...

 

[kdub]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 15 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is awesome. Doesn't anyone see the irony? Who is Stackhouse's agent? Jeff Schwartz goes out and announces (1) Kidd demands a trade; (2) Kidd insists on getting traded to Dallas (basically); and (3) Kidd will not accept being traded anywhere else. So what happens? The Nets oblige him and one of Schwartz's own other clients fucks it up! Now what is Schwartz's position? Jeff Schwartz could not be getting more fucked by this. Either he loses credibility for retracting Kidd's trade request, or he loses credibility by expanding the list of teams that Kidd will play for. And he loses the 4% of the extension the Mavs were going to give Kidd, as well as the 4% of the MLE that the Mavs were going to give Stackhouse.

At least one person in all this is getting what he deserves!</div>

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Feb 15 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I feel cheated by the NBA. Can't say that's the first time that's happened...</div>

And they are usually so reputable!

 

[Denny Crane]

Actually, the letter of the rule is being followed, but it's a glaring loophole in the CBA that's being exploited. Hence the uproar from other teams.

1) I'd think the Nets would want to keep and play Stackhouse.

2) Stackhouse blew the deal by flaunting how the Nets & Mavs were exploiting the loophole.

If you need a wink & nod type of agreement (Stackhouse cut, goes back to the Mavs) to make a deal work, it's not very ethical (at best), and makes a sham of the CBA (which isn't much better).

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I posted the exact same quote in this thread, Denny.

I repeat. THERE IS NO RULE! Stackhouse can sign with the Mavs if he waits 30 days.

There is no credibility issue. The rules of the CBA are being followed.</div>

You could make the case that there's a tampering issue, if Dallas and Stackhouse privately agreed to a handshake deal.

But I'm not sure how Stackhouse saying he wants to play in Dallas makes that true.

EDIT: Plus what Denny said. If the Nets did a wink-and-nod deal, that's also not ethical. Still, I say we do the trade and just offer Stack a shitty buyout.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 15 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is awesome. Doesn't anyone see the irony? Who is Stackhouse's agent? Jeff Schwartz goes out and announces (1) Kidd demands a trade; (2) Kidd insists on getting traded to Dallas (basically); and (3) Kidd will not accept being traded anywhere else. So what happens? The Nets oblige him and one of Schwartz's own other clients fucks it up! Now what is Schwartz's position? Jeff Schwartz could not be getting more fucked by this. Either he loses credibility for retracting Kidd's trade request, or he loses credibility by expanding the list of teams that Kidd will play for. And he loses the 4% of the extension the Mavs were going to give Kidd, as well as the 4% of the MLE that the Mavs were going to give Stackhouse.

At least one person in all this is getting what he deserves!</div>

hahaha. That's awesome, and priceless.

I'd really love to hear his whole account on this whole affair: what he was thinking, feeling, etc.

 

[Joey FistPump]

Why not just change the deal to the following?

Why don't both teams make concessions and just do the following?

Dallas sends

Devin Harris 4 mil
Trenton Hassell 4.4 mil 3 YR
Maurice Ager 1 million 2 YR
Desagna Diop 2.1 million 1 YR
KVH 4.6 million 1 YR
3 million in cash considerations
2008 first rounder
2010 first rounder

New Jersey sends

Jason Kidd 20 mil 2 YR
Malik Allen .770 mil 1 YR

Dallas recieves

Jason Kidd 20 mil 2 YR
Malik Allen .770 mil 1 YR

New Jersey recieves

Devin Harris 4 mil
Trenton Hassell 4.4 mil 3 YR
Maurice Ager 1 million 2 YR
Desagna Diop 2.1 million 1 YR
KVH 4.6 million 1 YR
3 million in cash considerations
2008 first rounder
2010 first rounder

Really its not that much different than the first, just needs a little more compromising than originally planned.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Feb 15 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, the letter of the rule is being followed, but it's a glaring loophole in the CBA that's being exploited. Hence the uproar from other teams.

1) I'd think the Nets would want to keep and play Stackhouse.

2) Stackhouse blew the deal by flaunting how the Nets & Mavs were exploiting the loophole.

If you need a wink & nod type of agreement (Stackhouse cut, goes back to the Mavs) to make a deal work, it's not very ethical (at best), and makes a sham of the CBA (which isn't much better).</div>

I'd buy that if I didn't believe every single other team would do the same thing if it suited their purposes.

If they didn't want this "loophole" in the CBA how difficult would it have been to add a rule that states that a player can't re-sign with the same team? It's not like nobody thought of it. It's the logical reaction to the Payton situation.

For whatever reason (probably the Player's Association) the rule was intentionally left out of the CBA. I don't blame Stackhouse for not seeing the need to "wink and nod" at the "spirit" of the rule, even if he was being an idiot.

 

[Dumpy]

It's clearly unethical, and I always hated it when other teams pulled crap like this. I always secretly hoped that the Nets were above such chicanery, but I guess when it's the only way a deal can get done, something has to be sacrificed.

As I posted a lifetime ago, when Stackhouse announced that he was going to be bought out, my initial reaction was that Rod should just tell him to **** off, and offer him a $1 buyout.

The problem is that the Mavs don't have the authority to discuss a buyout with Stackhouse, since they won't be the team that would be buying him out. The Nets don't have the authority either, because he isn't their property. It's unethical, and just because other teams do it doesn't make it right.

I'm just glad that, no matter how upset Thornepedia and Cuban must be right now, it has to pale compared to what is going on inside Jeff Schwartz's office.

 

[cpawfan]

When the hell did the NBA start caring about ethics? This is the same league that enacted a dress code for the bench.

If this had been almost any other owner than Cuban, there wouldn't be an issue here. Stern has been this happy in years as he gets to completely fuck over Cuban

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 15 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why not just change the deal to the following?

Why don't both teams make concessions and just do the following?

Dallas sends

Devin Harris 4 mil
Trenton Hassell 4.4 mil 3 YR
Maurice Ager 1 million 2 YR
Desagna Diop 2.1 million 1 YR
KVH 4.6 million 1 YR
3 million in cash considerations
2008 first rounder
2010 first rounder

New Jersey sends

Jason Kidd 20 mil 2 YR
Malik Allen .770 mil 1 YR

Dallas recieves

Jason Kidd 20 mil 2 YR
Malik Allen .770 mil 1 YR

New Jersey recieves

Devin Harris 4 mil
Trenton Hassell 4.4 mil 3 YR
Maurice Ager 1 million 2 YR
Desagna Diop 2.1 million 1 YR
KVH 4.6 million 1 YR
3 million in cash considerations
2008 first rounder
2010 first rounder

Really its not that much different than the first, just needs a little more compromising than originally planned.</div>

again, Nets would have too many players. Also, the mavs would have to give some additional concession to the Nets to take on Hassell's three-year deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Feb 15 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, the letter of the rule is being followed, but it's a glaring loophole in the CBA that's being exploited. Hence the uproar from other teams.

1) I'd think the Nets would want to keep and play Stackhouse.

2) Stackhouse blew the deal by flaunting how the Nets & Mavs were exploiting the loophole.

If you need a wink & nod type of agreement (Stackhouse cut, goes back to the Mavs) to make a deal work, it's not very ethical (at best), and makes a sham of the CBA (which isn't much better).</div>

I'd buy that if I didn't believe every single other team would do the same thing if it suited their purposes.

If they didn't want this "loophole" in the CBA how difficult would it have been to add a rule that states that a player can't re-sign with the same team? It's not like nobody thought of it. It's the logical reaction to the Payton situation.

For whatever reason (probably the Player's Association) the rule was intentionally left out of the CBA. I don't blame Stackhouse for not seeing the need to "wink and nod" at the "spirit" of the rule, even if he was being an idiot.
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If Stackhouse said nothing, and things went down like "planned," there'd be some griping about it (as there was with Payton), but not much anyone would do about it.

Two people now (aside from myself) have pointed out the tampering angle (I called it unethical).

Had the deal gone down and Stackhouse ended up back with the Mavs, there'd have had to have been some actual proof that there was tampering involved.

Lastly, I think it is in the commissioner's power to void trades and make rulings like this. It's probably the most important of his duties.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 15 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When the hell did the NBA start caring about ethics? This is the same league that enacted a dress code for the bench.

If this had been almost any other owner than Cuban, there wouldn't be an issue here. Stern has been this happy in years as he gets to completely fuck over Cuban</div>

But Rod Thorn is (was?) his friend, and Stern fucked him over even worse.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 15 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When the hell did the NBA start caring about ethics? This is the same league that enacted a dress code for the bench.

If this had been almost any other owner than Cuban, there wouldn't be an issue here. Stern has been this happy in years as he gets to completely **** over Cuban</div>

But Rod Thorn is (was?) his friend, and Stern fucked him over even worse.
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As an aside, why is the word "****" sometimes ***ed out, and sometimes it isn't? Is there some rule that I could exploit here?

edit:
****
****ing
fucked
refuck
fucker

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>EDIT: Plus what Denny said. If the Nets did a wink-and-nod deal, that's also not ethical. Still, I say we do the trade and just offer Stack a shitty buyout.</div>

That's the problem. The trade doesn't get done unless the Mavs and Nets have an under-the-table understanding that the Nets will buyout a player it otherwise could use because, according to reports, the only way Cuban was willing to inlcude Stackhouse in the deal in the first place was with the unwritten understanding that he would be able to get him back after waiting the 30 days. Stackhouse was just a dumb shit by running his mouth BEFORE THE TRADE WAS EVEN OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED stating -- as a fact -- that "I'm not going anywhere" and that he would be bought out and enjoy a 30-day vacation. The only way he could be certain of that is if he'd been told that by Mavs management. Thus, unmistakeable earmarks of collusion to subvert the meaning and purpose of the rule.

If Stackhouse had kept quiet, everyone would know with a high degree of certainty (afterwards) that there had been collusion beforehand, but they would not be able to prove it. So the appearance of propriety would have been preserved.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 15 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When the hell did the NBA start caring about ethics? This is the same league that enacted a dress code for the bench.

If this had been almost any other owner than Cuban, there wouldn't be an issue here. Stern has been this happy in years as he gets to completely fuck over Cuban</div>

But Rod Thorn is (was?) his friend, and Stern fucked him over even worse.
</div>

Collateral damage to Stern's target

Hopefully someone else makes Thorn an offer during the weekend

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 15 2008, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm just glad that, no matter how upset Thornepedia and Cuban must be right now, it has to pale compared to what is going on inside Jeff Schwartz's office.</div>

Though I'm really, really pissed, because we absolutely fleeced Dallas with this deal, it does make me happy to know that Schwartz has fucked himself over.

 

[Denny Crane]

You guys had your chance to land Shaq.

I hear the Kobe+Pau+Odom+Bynum for Kidd deal is off the table.