Notice NBA’s In Season Tournament

[Natebishop3]

The biggest mistake the NBA made about this tournament is not taking away East vs West. It should just be one huge tournament. Put all the teams together.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

People are skeptical because, why fuck with it if it ain’t broke. The league viewership numbers during the playoffs and this summer league are at an all time high. Leave well enough alone.
Some on here will tell you the league is struggling….wait 18 months and when the details of the new TV deal are released, we will see how absolutely false that is.

82 games are a boring grind and fans don't care about many of them. Yeah playoffs have big ratings, but November 10th doesn't. That's why regional sports networks are going bankrupt. This changes some of those games to have additional meaning.

Are you really that worried about potentially losing one single Blazer home game in December while now the team would be in a Vegas tourney?

I see all upside with this and no downside.

 

[THE HCP]

82 games are a boring grind and fans don't care about many of them..

Simply is not true and the upcoming TV contract will prove this. YOU may find it boring……

 

[THE HCP]

82 games are a boring grind and fans don't care about many of them. Yeah playoffs have big ratings, but November 10th doesn't. That's why regional sports networks are going bankrupt. This changes some of those games to have additional meaning.

Are you really that worried about potentially losing one single Blazer home game in December while now the team would be in a Vegas tourney?

I see all upside with this and no downside.

If you believe that regional sports networks are failing because of LACK of interest in their NBA broadcasts, you just aren’t’ really understanding how it works.

 

[THE HCP]

82 games are a boring grind and fans don't care about many of them. Yeah playoffs have big ratings, but November 10th doesn't. That's why regional sports networks are going bankrupt. This changes some of those games to have additional meaning.

Are you really that worried about potentially losing one single Blazer home game in December while now the team would be in a Vegas tourney?

I see all upside with this and no downside.

I never said I was worried about this. I’m just telling you it won’t last.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The biggest mistake the NBA made about this tournament is not taking away East vs West. It should just be one huge tournament. Put all the teams together.

Doesn't bother me much. I thought it was stupid to have a 50 win team miss the west playoffs while a 39 win east team makes it. With the playin that just doesn't matter anymore.

I'd suspect the scheduling is easier with conferences because they have to add a conference game for the 22 teams that don't go to Vegas. Probably easier to have the flexibility with adding a 4th conference matchup.

Also east west games are not part of group play, and those are often the only date a team visits the city as a road team. So it makes sense to have these tourney games all as conference games which are in less demand.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Simply is not true and the upcoming TV contract will prove this. YOU may find it boring……

TV contract is way less than NFL with 17 games. TV contract also includes playoff which gets monster ratings.

Even though the NBA makes a lot; they may be leaving a lot of additional money on the table by not doing things like this in season tourney. Many other pro sports do it to great success.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I never said I was worried about this. I’m just telling you it won’t last.

NBA has been planning this for years. Why do you think it won't last? It will get additional interest and extra revenue. You think the NBA wants to leave revenue on the table?

 

[THE HCP]

TV contract is way less than NFL with 17 games. TV contract also includes playoff which gets monster ratings.

Even though the NBA makes a lot; they may be leaving a lot of additional money on the table by not doing things like this in season tourney. Many other pro sports do it to great success.

Why would the NBA contract be as much as the NFL? The NFL is by far the most popular sport in the US. That's like comparing the EPL TV deal with MLS. Doesn't make sense my man. TV contract includes first round of playoffs correct. 5 games or so of viewership in no way changes the viewership average over 82 games. It's ok to admit the league is very healthy right now and it's ok to just leave it alone. Hope fans enjoy this, just don't think it will catch on is all I'm saying.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Why would the NBA contract be as much as the NFL? The NFL is by far the most popular sport in the US. That's like comparing the EPL TV deal with MLS. Doesn't make sense my man. TV contract includes first round of playoffs correct. 5 games or so of viewership in no way changes the viewership average over 82 games. It's ok to admit the league is very healthy right now and it's ok to just leave it alone. Hope fans enjoy this, just don't think it will catch on is all I'm saying.

I don't know what "healthy" means. I've never said it's bad or unhealthy. Yeah it makes a ton of money, but it's as you say nothing compared to NFL, so it shows there's a lot more money in sports it could possibly make.

You think the tourney will fail. I think it'll be a huge success and be a big aspect of the league in a decade. We will see.

 

[MrDraftGuy]

I don't know that this tournament generates any ratings boost but I do think it'll be beneficial for player accolades down the line, just like they are with soccer.

At this point, I truly believe the NBA has reached a level where internationals players have reached the 1960s NBA level of talent. Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Luka, possibly Wemby soon are on par with Wilt, Russell, Oscar, West, Baylor in terms of talent and star status. Lauri, Siakam, KAT, SGA are on par with guys like Cousy, Willis Reed, Sam Jones, Wes Unseld.

Why is that important? Well, you stack that up on top of the modern US talent, which hasn't changed too much since the 90s-2000s, and you have a deeper overall league.

This potentially means more parity and that it may be more difficult to win games. As a result, a tournament cup to your team or franchise player will look great on their resume, down the line. This is especially true if, say, you're one of the historic teams and go on a 14-20 win streak at the beginning of the season before winning it all.

Championship teams, historically, tend to be one superstar with three All-Star/borderline All-Star players. Add a good bench (usually a 6th man and/or young player). Three of five starters play consistent enough defense. If missing a legitimate fourth option, it's due to two major superstars being dominant enough for the rest of the team (AD-Lebron, Kobe-Shaq, Wade-Bron, Duncan-Robinson in 99). Unless they arrive on an already deep team, championship usually doesn't occur in a superstar's early years but rather, once they reach their primes. Jokic/Giannis/Steph/Lebron/Raptors Kawhi all demonstrate as such in the past 10+ years.

In the future, this may become problematic as we see many young cores potentially possessing these attributes (four starters with potential to be offensive outlets on any given night, some decent bench players). Rockets, Pistons, Spurs, Hornets, Pacers. Teams like the Grizzlies are close and can simply add a good veteran like they did with Brooks. Same with Kings.

The next 10-15 years can be very difficult, especially for Portland if it does not secure the players it will need to rebuild around. In which case, a Tournament Cup can be useful for Scoot and Sharpe's careers if the Blazers front office is unable to properly build around them.

Beyond that, a championship is still the most coveted.

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't know that this tournament generates any ratings boost but I do think it'll be beneficial for player accolades down the line, just like they are with soccer.

At this point, I truly believe the NBA has reached a level where internationals players have reached the 1960s NBA level of talent. Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Luka, possibly Wemby soon are on par with Wilt, Russell, Oscar, West, Baylor in terms of talent and star status. Lauri, Siakam, KAT, SGA are on par with guys like Cousy, Willis Reed, Sam Jones, Wes Unseld.

Why is that important? Well, you stack that up on top of the modern US talent, which hasn't changed too much since the 90s-2000s, and you have a deeper overall league.

This potentially means more parity and that it may be more difficult to win games. As a result, a tournament cup to your team or franchise player will look great on their resume, down the line. This is especially true if, say, you're one of the historic teams and go on a 14-20 win streak at the beginning of the season before winning it all.

Championship teams, historically, tend to be one superstar with three All-Star/borderline All-Star players. Add a good bench (usually a 6th man and/or young player). Three of five starters play consistent enough defense. If missing a legitimate fourth option, it's due to two major superstars being dominant enough for the rest of the team (AD-Lebron, Kobe-Shaq, Wade-Bron, Duncan-Robinson in 99). Unless they arrive on an already deep team, championship usually doesn't occur in a superstar's early years but rather, once they reach their primes. Jokic/Giannis/Steph/Lebron/Raptors Kawhi all demonstrate as such in the past 10+ years.

In the future, this may become problematic as we see many young cores potentially possessing these attributes (four starters with potential to be offensive outlets on any given night, some decent bench players). Rockets, Pistons, Spurs, Hornets, Pacers. Teams like the Grizzlies are close and can simply add a good veteran like they did with Brooks. Same with Kings.

The next 10-15 years can be very difficult, especially for Portland if it does not secure the players it will need to rebuild around. In which case, a Tournament Cup can be useful for Scoot and Sharpe's careers if the Blazers front office is unable to properly build around them.

Beyond that, a championship is still the most coveted.

The NBA (Stern) has always been about marketing....it's proven in D1 hoops, & soccer that tourneys produce an increase in fandom. The NBA also needs something to compete with D1 football & NFL in the winter time. Tourney ball is their answer.

 

[AldoTrapani]

I don't know that this tournament generates any ratings boost but I do think it'll be beneficial for player accolades down the line, just like they are with soccer.

At this point, I truly believe the NBA has reached a level where internationals players have reached the 1960s NBA level of talent. Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Luka, possibly Wemby soon are on par with Wilt, Russell, Oscar, West, Baylor in terms of talent and star status. Lauri, Siakam, KAT, SGA are on par with guys like Cousy, Willis Reed, Sam Jones, Wes Unseld.

Why is that important? Well, you stack that up on top of the modern US talent, which hasn't changed too much since the 90s-2000s, and you have a deeper overall league.

This potentially means more parity and that it may be more difficult to win games. As a result, a tournament cup to your team or franchise player will look great on their resume, down the line. This is especially true if, say, you're one of the historic teams and go on a 14-20 win streak at the beginning of the season before winning it all.

Championship teams, historically, tend to be one superstar with three All-Star/borderline All-Star players. Add a good bench (usually a 6th man and/or young player). Three of five starters play consistent enough defense. If missing a legitimate fourth option, it's due to two major superstars being dominant enough for the rest of the team (AD-Lebron, Kobe-Shaq, Wade-Bron, Duncan-Robinson in 99). Unless they arrive on an already deep team, championship usually doesn't occur in a superstar's early years but rather, once they reach their primes. Jokic/Giannis/Steph/Lebron/Raptors Kawhi all demonstrate as such in the past 10+ years.

In the future, this may become problematic as we see many young cores potentially possessing these attributes (four starters with potential to be offensive outlets on any given night, some decent bench players). Rockets, Pistons, Spurs, Hornets, Pacers. Teams like the Grizzlies are close and can simply add a good veteran like they did with Brooks. Same with Kings.

The next 10-15 years can be very difficult, especially for Portland if it does not secure the players it will need to rebuild around. In which case, a Tournament Cup can be useful for Scoot and Sharpe's careers if the Blazers front office is unable to properly build around them.

Beyond that, a championship is still the most coveted.

Those same great teams winning titles will also always win these cup games as well

 

[MrDraftGuy]

Those same great teams winning titles will also always win these cup games as well

Oh, I agree and that will make them even greater, in a way.

However, it's no guarantee. Even for great teams, it's only on historic seasons that they have those 15+ winning streaks.

And for all we know, one of those Blazer squads that had a 13 game winning streak or a hot start early in the season could technically beat the 'great team' or championship favorites. Single elimination makes things interesting and for all we know, if one particular player has a high motor or is quite clutch....a Dame or Butler....they may find themselves winning more of these than other players/teams who need a multitude of 7 game series to win it all.

In this way, that would be how the Dames, PG-13s, Butlers solidify their legacies. Maybe Dame would've had 4 or 5 cups sitting in his living room right now and be content with Portland.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[KingSpeed]

They put NBA athletes through too many games....

Stockton, Jordan, Malone, these guys would go 82, 82, 82, year after year. Jordan would be competitive in preseason. Why is everyone so soft now?

 

[KingSpeed]

SharpesTriumph= Adam Silver and I agree with everything he said. This is gonna be great. Pelicans might’ve won it last year before Zion got hurt. That would’ve been fun for their fans. We might’ve won it. We looked good early in the season. This is going to give Scoot something to win right away.

 

[THE HCP]

SharpesTriumph= Adam Silver and I agree with everything he said. This is gonna be great. Pelicans might’ve won it last year before Zion got hurt. That would’ve been fun for their fans. We might’ve won it. We looked good early in the season. This is going to give Scoot something to win right away.

We were three buzzer beater prayer shots away from starting last season 7-6.

 

[Ed O]

I'm not at all upset about this cup thing, but I'm also not in the least interested.

Why the NBA is trying to be like soccer is beyond me, but they're taking the least interesting parts and trying to inject it into the regular season and it is hard to believe that anyone is going to care. If Portland were playing, say, a Chinese team (as in some soccer leagues that match up teams from different leagues)? That's kinda cool. If they are playing the Suns? I already care about that game, but care 0% more because it's a "pool" game or whatever it's going to be called.

Am I going to tune into watch the NBA Cup Final if it's not Portland? No. The game means LESS than a normal game to me, since it doesn't impact playoff and/or draft standings.

I don't blame the NBA for trying something new, but this entirely misses the mark in my opinion.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'm not at all upset about this cup thing, but I'm also not in the least interested.

Why the NBA is trying to be like soccer is beyond me, but they're taking the least interesting parts and trying to inject it into the regular season and it is hard to believe that anyone is going to care. If Portland were playing, say, a Chinese team (as in some soccer leagues that match up teams from different leagues)? That's kinda cool. If they are playing the Suns? I already care about that game, but care 0% more because it's a "pool" game or whatever it's going to be called.

Am I going to tune into watch the NBA Cup Final if it's not Portland? No. The game means LESS than a normal game to me, since it doesn't impact playoff and/or draft standings.

I don't blame the NBA for trying something new, but this entirely misses the mark in my opinion.

But if it is Portland?

 

[andalusian]

I don't blame the NBA for trying something new, but this entirely misses the mark in my opinion.

Seems like a no-lose proposition for the NBA imho. If it catches on like the play-in concept did, they win, if not, they easily remove it and we get the "Coke classic" effect for those that were bothered with it.

 

[Ed O]

But if it is Portland?

I watch every game that I possibly can, including summer league. I won't watch it because it's a Cup game and/or ever see myself happy that we won it. I'd much rather lose in the second round of the playoffs and/or moving up a spot in the lottery.

 

[Ed O]

Seems like a no-lose proposition for the NBA imho. If it catches on like the play-in concept did, they win, if not, they easily remove it and we get the "Coke classic" effect for those that were bothered with it.

Yep. Except that it muddles up my news sources with stories about a Cup I don't care about. Which is absolutely not the end of the world but I prefer less noise in my life, not more.

 

[KingSpeed]

I watch every game that I possibly can, including summer league. I won't watch it because it's a Cup game and/or ever see myself happy that we won it. I'd much rather lose in the second round of the playoffs and/or moving up a spot in the lottery.

How about win the Cup and then go to the lottery?

 

[Ed O]

How about win the Cup and then go to the lottery?

Winning the Cup would not impact how I feel about the team nor going to the lottery.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

SharpesTriumph= Adam Silver and I agree with everything he said. This is gonna be great. Pelicans might’ve won it last year before Zion got hurt. That would’ve been fun for their fans. We might’ve won it. We looked good early in the season. This is going to give Scoot something to win right away.

It will basically be like March Madness but with NBA teams. Yeah I know the first 5 years some old fans and casual fans will be confused and possibly not care. One year of their team in vegas and winning some of the games they'll be hooked. Having win or go home makes it way more exciting and unpredictable. A lot of teams can win 3 games in a row in vegas to get the cup; its not like 7 game series where the best team always wins. Will be super exciting.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm not at all upset about this cup thing, but I'm also not in the least interested.

Why the NBA is trying to be like soccer is beyond me, but they're taking the least interesting parts and trying to inject it into the regular season and it is hard to believe that anyone is going to care. If Portland were playing, say, a Chinese team (as in some soccer leagues that match up teams from different leagues)? That's kinda cool. If they are playing the Suns? I already care about that game, but care 0% more because it's a "pool" game or whatever it's going to be called.

Am I going to tune into watch the NBA Cup Final if it's not Portland? No. The game means LESS than a normal game to me, since it doesn't impact playoff and/or draft standings.

I don't blame the NBA for trying something new, but this entirely misses the mark in my opinion.

Lets see what you and other fans think in 5 years. I think every year it will get way more popular.

I'd have probably given an auto playoff berth to both teams in the cup, possibly HCA to the team that wins it. Then that final means a hell of a lot. They actually considered some ideas like this - lets see what tweaks they make in the years ahead.

I also think people are vastly underestimating having 8 teams playing in Vegas all at once over 3-4 days of games. That will be a huge week long event to the big NBA fans and a once in a lifetime experience to watch. Thats never been possible in the history of the league outside the bubble which was obviously closed to the public. It will be like the best of allstar and summer league but 10x better, with great teams and star, playing at the highest level, and actually mean something.

 

[THE HCP]

It will basically be like March Madness but with NBA teams. Yeah I know the first 5 years some old fans and casual fans will be confused and possibly not care. One year of their team in vegas and winning some of the games they'll be hooked. Having win or go home makes it way more exciting and unpredictable. A lot of teams can win 3 games in a row in vegas to get the cup; its not like 7 game series where the best team always wins. Will be super exciting.

Why do you keep saying casual or old fans? The fuck does that even mean. What about the fans who love this game and league how it is?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Why do you keep saying casual or old fans? The fuck does that even mean. What about the fans who love this game and league how it is?

This board is full of old farts that don't like new ideas, don't like change, and want to keep everything "how it is". Yeah your not the target audience for this or NBA advertisers. What advertisement on TV are you going to go out and change what you buy tomorrow? There's a reason advertisers all want that 18-34 demographic.

If you love it how it is this doesn't really change anything; your still getting 82 regular season games for each team. Instead of 1230 NBA games last year in the whole league there will now be 1231. You can probably just ignore this whole tournament aspect if you wish.

A lot of other people will like it a lot - especially years from now when it starts building up history and starts becoming a big week long event for those 8 teams each year able to make it.

This will be way more successful than the playin game - and that was universally panned by many when it started but now accepted by most NBA fans as a great change.

 

[Bingo Bango]

Can’t tell you how much I hate this idea. What’s the point? Doesn’t the NBA already have a championship series? The NBA became a circus the minute players started wearing jerseys that said, “Remember their names,” and now it’s just gotten worse.