NCAA Single-Season Rebounding Leaders

[MickZagger]

He never led the league in total rebounds...second was the highest he ranked. He did lead the league in offensive rebounds three times.

Danny Fortson led the league in Rebound Rate once, and he was 6'7''.

6'7" and built like a tank.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If we'd've picked Faried I was ready to point out that Buck Williams was 6'8" 225. But I won't now.

 

[PapaG]

If we'd've picked Faried I was ready to point out that Buck Williams was 6'8" 225. But I won't now.

Faried is 6'6", though.

 

[PapaG]

6'7" and built like a tank.

Fortson was listed at 260, and his lower body looked even bigger. In terms of rebounding, I agree with you that Kevin Love has an ideal NBA body for it. If you're going to be a bit short, make up for it by being a tank.

 

[julius]

Since 1997-98, listed in order

Ryan Perriman 12.2
Ian McGinnis 12.0
Darren Phillip 14.0
Chris Marcus 12.1
Jeremy Bishop 12.0
Brandon Hunter 12.6
Paul Millsap 12.5
Paul Millsap 12.4
Paul Millsap 13.4
Rashard Jones-Jennings 13.1
Michael Beasely 12.4
Blake Griffin 14.4
Artsiom Parakhouski 13.4
Kenneth Faried 14.5

The part that stands out to me is that out of the names I recognize, only Griffin is an elite NBA rebounder. Of course, he was the #1 pick, and other than Beasely, the rest were well out of the lottery, or were busts if they were picked.

interesting. I would've assumed more guys who rebounded so awesomely would be great draft picks.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Faried is 6'6", though.

It's already been mentioned before several times, but his stature is almost identical to Paul Millsap's

 

[Draco]

It's already been mentioned before several times, but his stature is almost identical to Paul Millsap's

Yes, but Andre Miller has never been out of the first found.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't know... I guess I just liked the idea of drafting a guy with a high motor and a nose for the ball. We need someone like that desperately. We need a garbage man who can clean up the glass and maybe give a hard foul or two. I don't think Pendergraph was good enough to be that guy, and supposedly Faried was. Smith doesn't excite me at all, but I guess I'll keep an open mind and hope for the best.

 

[BrianFromWA]

interesting. I would've assumed more guys who rebounded so awesomely would be great draft picks.

As I've posted twice now, once you open that up to "top 3 per year" it gets a lot more interesting.

 

[julius]

As I've posted twice now, once you open that up to "top 3 per year" it gets a lot more interesting.

who were the top 3 this year? And where 2 and 3 drafted? If not, can Portland snag em?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Blair got benched against Memphis and had a 9.3 PER for the series. Cunningham was the only active player in the Wallace trade.

Blair still can't defend his own shadow, and Memphis abused the poor chap.

The next time that Blair misses a game will be his second since Jr. High School, and the first was "precautionary". For a guy who only dropped b/c of medical issues, that's a fantastic stat. For a guy who supposedly can't defend his shadow, Popovich has played him 163 of 164 games in a two years and he's managed a DRtg of 100. As for being benched...Popovich has done that to another guy he was trying to motivate, some scrub named Manu Ginobili (who also must be scared for his minutes, now that Kawhi Leonard is on the squad).

Pendergraph, meanwhile, has had two season-ending injuries in a row and his only significantly average-or-better contribution was his "motivational talk" before games. He had one decent game -- the last game of the season where he started against GSW and just kept getting open dunks for 23 points.

Cunningham, meanwhile, after escaping from Portland was able to come off the bench in CHA well enough to raise his single-digit PER to almost 11. His stellar defensive efficiency plateaued at 108, though he did get his rebounding percentage into the double-digits.

And nevermind that Blair's two years younger than both Dante and Pendergraph. Nevermind that he's playing minutes normally covered by the greatest forward of all time. Nevermind that Dante and Pendy couldn't beat out 37 y/o Juwan Howard for starting minutes.

Since you bring up his 9.6PER in this year's playoffs, are you going to acknowledge his playoff PER of 24.0 in 10 games last year?

 

[BrianFromWA]

who were the top 3 this year? And where 2 and 3 drafted? If not, can Portland snag em?

Jordan Williams went to the Nets in the second round. Ryan Rossiter from Siena was #2 (13rpg) and not drafted as a college senior.

 

[Natebishop3]

The next time that Blair misses a game will be his second since Jr. High School, and the first was "precautionary". For a guy who only dropped b/c of medical issues, that's a fantastic stat. For a guy who supposedly can't defend his shadow, Popovich has played him 163 of 164 games in a two years and he's managed a DRtg of 100. As for being benched...Popovich has done that to another guy he was trying to motivate, some scrub named Manu Ginobili (who also must be scared for his minutes, now that Kawhi Leonard is on the squad).

Pendergraph, meanwhile, has had two season-ending injuries in a row and his only significantly average-or-better contribution was his "motivational talk" before games. He had one decent game -- the last game of the season where he started against GSW and just kept getting open dunks for 23 points.

Cunningham, meanwhile, after escaping from Portland was able to come off the bench in CHA well enough to raise his single-digit PER to almost 11. His stellar defensive efficiency plateaued at 108, though he did get his rebounding percentage into the double-digits.

And nevermind that Blair's two years younger than both Dante and Pendergraph. Nevermind that he's playing minutes normally covered by the greatest forward of all time. Nevermind that Dante and Pendy couldn't beat out 37 y/o Juwan Howard for starting minutes.

Since you bring up his 9.6PER in this year's playoffs, are you going to acknowledge his playoff PER of 24.0 in 10 games last year?

Oh god, PapaG just got pimp smacked.

Repped.

 

[PapaG]

The next time that Blair misses a game will be his second since Jr. High School, and the first was "precautionary". For a guy who only dropped b/c of medical issues, that's a fantastic stat. For a guy who supposedly can't defend his shadow, Popovich has played him 163 of 164 games in a two years and he's managed a DRtg of 100. As for being benched...Popovich has done that to another guy he was trying to motivate, some scrub named Manu Ginobili (who also must be scared for his minutes, now that Kawhi Leonard is on the squad).

Pendergraph, meanwhile, has had two season-ending injuries in a row and his only significantly average-or-better contribution was his "motivational talk" before games. He had one decent game -- the last game of the season where he started against GSW and just kept getting open dunks for 23 points.

Cunningham, meanwhile, after escaping from Portland was able to come off the bench in CHA well enough to raise his single-digit PER to almost 11. His stellar defensive efficiency plateaued at 108, though he did get his rebounding percentage into the double-digits.

And nevermind that Blair's two years younger than both Dante and Pendergraph. Nevermind that he's playing minutes normally covered by the greatest forward of all time. Nevermind that Dante and Pendy couldn't beat out 37 y/o Juwan Howard for starting minutes.

Since you bring up his 9.6PER in this year's playoffs, are you going to acknowledge his playoff PER of 24.0 in 10 games last year?

Of course. 2 years ago doesn't matter, though. Cunningham had a 24 PER in those same playoffs. Neither Blair nor Cunningham played starter minutes because they are both very limited players.

Blair's 24 PER in the playoffs in 2010 - 9.1 mpg
Cunningham's 24.3 PER in the playoffs in 2010 - 8.4 mpg

What matters is that a guy that you and others have spent two years whining about GOT BENCHED in the playoffs because he couldn't produce. He was terrible. A 9.6 PER with a 24 Usage rate? That's about as bad as you can get from a guy who isn't an offensive threat.

Blair simply hasn't been good enough to play minutes that matter in the playoffs. Neither has Cunningham, and Cunningham had a higher PER in similar mpg. Both are bench players, and neither are good enough to play more minutes in the playoffs, which is what matters most to me as a fan.

Learn the game, then post.

 

[PapaG]

Oh god, PapaG just got pimp smacked.

Repped.

Yeah, Blair's 24 PER in 9mpg in the 2010 playoffs, compared to Cunningham's 24.3 PER in 8.4 mpg in those same playoffs, sure smacked me.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, Blair's 24 PER in 9mpg in the 2010 playoffs, compared to Cunningham's 24.3 PER in 8.4 mpg in those same playoffs, sure smacked me.

Oh, so you're just going to ignore the rest of his post? Actually, I forgot who I was talking to. Carry on.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Of course. 2 years ago doesn't matter, though.

Wait, why?

Cunningham had a 24 PER in those same playoffs. Neither Blair nor Cunningham played starter minutes because they are both very limited players.

Blair's 24 PER in the playoffs in 2010 - 9.1 mpg
Cunningham's 24.3 PER in the playoffs in 2010 - 8.4 mpg

What matters is that a guy that you and others have spent two years whining about GOT BENCHED in the playoffs because he couldn't produce.

I highly doubt that, since the guy who replaced him (McDyess) had a 7.6PER in the 6 games. It could've been, you know, a coach trying anything possible to not have Zach Randolph and Mark Gasol beat his team? Guess what? Didn't matter.

He was terrible. A 9.6 PER with a 24 Usage rate? That's about as bad as you can get from a guy who isn't an offensive threat.

One difference is that Cunningham put up a 9.5 PER in 56 games and 1108 minutes played, while Blair's was in 50 minutes of a series where his team got housed. The stat you're using on a 4-game sample size to prove someone is "about as bad as you can get" wasn't eclipsed by Dante Cunningham in 56 games. If Blair's "as bad as you can get", what's someone who's consistently worse?

Blair simply hasn't been good enough to play minutes that matter in the playoffs.

Greg Popovich tends to differ with that opinion.

Neither has Cunningham, and Cunningham had a higher PER in similar mpg.

His minutes aren't close to similar (in fact, they're about 1/3), and were in garbage time of double-digit Blazer losses. He got 11 seconds combined in the 2 games they won.

Learn the game, then post.

The guy I've been right about from Day One has been a starting center on a the #1 seed in the west for most of the season, has had his bogus "medical red flags" shown not to be a concern, and (even including his "benching" against Z-bo and Gasol) has a playoff PER of 19 in 141 minutes. Since we're distorting sample sizes here, that's a higher PER (in almost as many games, though 1/5 the minutes) than LMA. And he still isn't as old as when Dante and Pendergraph played their first NBA games. Perhaps he has room to grow?

I think the smack came where every single thing you posted about Blair was refuted (from his offense to his defense), or things that you omitted showing him in a positive light (his durability, starting on the #1 seed in the West--at Center!, his good play in previous playoff games), and even your attempt to paint him as a horrible playoff player kind of didn't stand up to "truth".

You're just kidding at this point, though, right? The internet way of saying "dang, you've been right all along, Brian"?

 

[Natebishop3]

Wait, why?I highly doubt that, since the guy who replaced him (McDyess) had a 7.6PER in the 6 games. It could've been, you know, a coach trying anything possible to not have Zach Randolph and Mark Gasol beat his team? Guess what? Didn't matter. One difference is that Cunningham put up a 9.5 PER in 56 games and 1108 minutes played, while Blair's was in 50 minutes of a series where his team got housed. The stat you're using on a 4-game sample size to prove someone is "about as bad as you can get" wasn't eclipsed by Dante Cunningham in 56 games. If Blair's "as bad as you can get", what's someone who's consistently worse?

Greg Popovich tends to differ with that opinion.His minutes aren't close to similar (in fact, they're about 1/3), and were in garbage time of double-digit Blazer losses. He got 11 seconds combined in the 2 games they won.


The guy I've been right about from Day One has been a starting center on a the #1 seed in the west for most of the season, has had his bogus "medical red flags" shown not to be a concern, and (even including his "benching" against Z-bo and Gasol) has a playoff PER of 19 in 141 minutes. Since we're distorting sample sizes here, that's a higher PER (in almost as many games, though 1/5 the minutes) than LMA. And he still isn't as old as when Dante and Pendergraph played their first NBA games. Perhaps he has room to grow?

I think the smack came where every single thing you posted about Blair was refuted (from his offense to his defense), or things that you omitted showing him in a positive light (his durability, starting on the #1 seed in the West--at Center!, his good play in previous playoff games), and even your attempt to paint him as a horrible playoff player kind of didn't stand up to "truth".

You're just kidding at this point, though, right? The internet way of saying "dang, you've been right all along, Brian"?

PapaG will not admit defeat. Ever. I don't recall him ever saying, "you know what, I was wrong." Instead he'll try to muddle the argument, cloud the issue, and hide behind a wall of misdirection, but in the end he'll just look like an idiot.

 

[PapaG]

PapaG will not admit defeat. Ever. I don't recall him ever saying, "you know what, I was wrong." Instead he'll try to muddle the argument, cloud the issue, and hide behind a wall of misdirection, but in the end he'll just look like an idiot.

Defeat?

T/F

Cunningham and Blair are both minor bench players when the playoffs roll around.

Actually, I've said that more than once. I don't recall you ever saying that, though, even when you were openly saying part of you wanted the Blazers to tank a season, just so you'd be "right" on the interwebs.

 

[PapaG]

Wait, why?I highly doubt that, since the guy who replaced him (McDyess) had a 7.6PER in the 6 games. It could've been, you know, a coach trying anything possible to not have Zach Randolph and Mark Gasol beat his team? Guess what? Didn't matter. One difference is that Cunningham put up a 9.5 PER in 56 games and 1108 minutes played, while Blair's was in 50 minutes of a series where his team got housed. The stat you're using on a 4-game sample size to prove someone is "about as bad as you can get" wasn't eclipsed by Dante Cunningham in 56 games. If Blair's "as bad as you can get", what's someone who's consistently worse?

Greg Popovich tends to differ with that opinion.His minutes aren't close to similar (in fact, they're about 1/3), and were in garbage time of double-digit Blazer losses. He got 11 seconds combined in the 2 games they won.


The guy I've been right about from Day One has been a starting center on a the #1 seed in the west for most of the season, has had his bogus "medical red flags" shown not to be a concern, and (even including his "benching" against Z-bo and Gasol) has a playoff PER of 19 in 141 minutes. Since we're distorting sample sizes here, that's a higher PER (in almost as many games, though 1/5 the minutes) than LMA. And he still isn't as old as when Dante and Pendergraph played their first NBA games. Perhaps he has room to grow?

I think the smack came where every single thing you posted about Blair was refuted (from his offense to his defense), or things that you omitted showing him in a positive light (his durability, starting on the #1 seed in the West--at Center!, his good play in previous playoff games), and even your attempt to paint him as a horrible playoff player kind of didn't stand up to "truth".

You're just kidding at this point, though, right? The internet way of saying "dang, you've been right all along, Brian"?

You arguing that Blair can defend pretty much destroyed my interest in your post.

All this turmoil over a guy who barely gets off the bench when it matters most.

I'd rather have Gerald Wallace over a guy who gagged up in the playoffs for the #1 seed to the point he had to be benched.

Oh, and he was a horrible playoff player last year, IMO. You certainly didn't change my opinion on that "truth".

 

[PapaG]

His minutes aren't close to similar (in fact, they're about 1/3), and were in garbage time of double-digit Blazer losses. He got 11 seconds combined in the 2 games they won.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Cunningham played 42 minutes in 5 games in the 2010 playoffs
Blair played 91 minutes in 10 games in the 2010 playoffs

Both were insignificant role players who had spectacular PERs. You arguing that Blair was some key to San Antonio in the playoffs is hilarious. Blair was so critical to that team, his minutes went from 18 per game in the 2009-10 regular season to 9.1 mpg in the playoffs.

Last year, his minutes went from 21.4 mpg in the regular season, with 65 starts, to 12.5 mpg in the playoffs, plus he didn't get off the bench for the last 2 games, both of which were elimination games for the Spurs.

Yeah, Pop is really showing faith in him by reducing his minutes and then outright benching him in the playoffs with the season on the line. Congrats, you were "right" about a guy who got his ass benched when his team needed him the most, considering he was a starter for most of the season.

Learn the game, then post.

 

[PapaG]

The next time that Blair misses a game will be his second since Jr. High School, and the first was "precautionary".

So, we're not counting Games 5 and 6 against Memphis, when he got flat-out benched because he was getting torched by Zach Randolph and the Memphis front-court?

Hell, your argument would make more sense had Blair missed those games due to injury, as opposed to his horrific play.

 

[PapaG]

I highly doubt that, since the guy who replaced him (McDyess) had a 7.6PER in the 6 games. It could've been, you know, a coach trying anything possible to not have Zach Randolph and Mark Gasol beat his team? Guess what? Didn't matter.

Splitter replaced Blair, not McDyess. Splitter was benched the first three games, the moved ahead of Blair in the rotation in Game 4.

He ended up with a 21.1PER in those three games, playing 16.7 mpg, and clearly outplayed Blair. He'll likely go into next season ahead of Blair in the roation, based on his play in the playoffs.

Learn the game, then post.

 

[Minstrel]

Splitter probably will be ahead of Blair, but then Splitter has always been seen as a pretty major talent while Blair was a second round pick.

Your argument that Blair doesn't deserve to make the All-Star game is noted and I agree with it! And we can agree that it's a shame that Portland took two lesser players (Cunningham and Pendergraph) over him. It's always better to have the better player, even if he's not an All Star (which you've argued quite convincingly that he isn't).

 

[PapaG]

Splitter probably will be ahead of Blair, but then Splitter has always been seen as a pretty major talent while Blair was a second round pick.

Your argument that Blair doesn't deserve to make the All-Star game is noted and I agree with it! And we can agree that it's a shame that Portland took two lesser players (Cunningham and Pendergraph) over him. It's always better to have the better player, even if he's not an All Star (which you've argued quite convincingly that he isn't).

Huh?

What the hell are you babbling about? I'm saying that Blair is a role player at best, just like the Blazer picks. By the end of the year, Pop had benched Blair, who sat in the the two elimation games the Spurs played last year.

Brian's woofing about being "right" about Blair rings hollow to me, since Blair ended up last year an afterthought for the Spurs. Apparently he's being shopped as well. I wonder if he'll help bring a Gerald Wallace to the Spurs?

Plus, at least Blair has bulk and played in a real conference. The people whining about passing on Faried, who played in the noon league at the Y, are who I was addressing in this thread.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm saying that Blair is a role player at best, just like the Blazer picks.

Yes, that's what I mean. Your entire point seems to be "Blair's not an All-Star so he's not better," which would be a very strong point if all role-players were equal. But they're not. Some role-players are better than others. Blair is better than Cunningham and a lot better than Pendergraph. Therefore, passing on Blair (better) for Cunningham (worse) and Pendergraph (much worse) was a mistake. Because drafting the better player is good.

 

[PapaG]

Yes, that's what I mean. Your entire point seems to be "Blair's not an All-Star so he's not better," which would be a very strong point if all role-players were equal. But they're not. Some role-players are better than others. Blair is better than Cunningham and a lot better than Pendergraph. Therefore, passing on Blair (better) for Cunningham (worse) and Pendergraph (much worse) was a mistake. Because drafting the better player is good.

No. My point is that passing on Blair isn't the big deal that some people seem to think it was.