Negatives: Stephon Marbury (read first post)

[jbbReal Deal]

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[Mr. J]

Well are star player isn't Marbury it is Tim Thomas. These are some of his negatives. At times he has been struggling from the field but, he is improving. How many of you did I catch?

Anyway, Marbury sometimes doesn't play good defense and plays a bit lazy on the D. Also sometimes he looks to score too late in the game where we needed his scoring throughout the stretch.

 

[jbbReal Deal]

I disagree about his defense, but only when it comes to bigger guards.

Then again, I'd expect Marbury to be in the Top 10 in steals, also...and he's barely breaking the Top 20. I'm not sure if it's because of his inability to steal or his laziness on defense...because the man is quick enough to rip the ball and take off down the court.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

Real Deal, Marbury's defense is atrocious. It's really hard to argue that.

Problem with Marbury? He has no leadership skills. He really doesn't, I mean let's face it. He's constantly shaking his head after coming off the bench, and he never took a team past the 1st round of the playoffs, not to mention the fact that he hasn't been with a team for as substantial period of time. (I will go further in detail in my upcoming Knicks article on this issue and others)

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(I will go further in detail in my upcoming Knicks article on this issue and others)</div>
Don't give away too much now

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[Diesel]

Bad Attitude- He doesn't really bring this team a good presence in the locker room or anything like that. From what I've seen he does not really have a good attitude with anything. Even when he's winning I don't really see anything. A simple smile is all I see.

 

[sneballa7]

Sometimes he he looks to pass when he should be trying to score and tries to score when he should be looking to pass. One thing I hat is that when the Knicks are down
late in the fourth quarter he starts hitting 3's. He should have been doing that throughout the game. He also slacks off on defense a lot.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Stephon Marbury's game is soaring, as is his confidence. In adding another spark to the Nets-Knicks rivalry while risking lighting a fire under Jason Kidd, Marbury said yesterday he believes he's the best point guard in the NBA.

With Kidd and Vince Carter invading the Garden tonight, the first of the New Year, Marbury was asked the same old comparison questions about Kidd. Usually he brushes them off. But on New Year's Eve, Marbury celebrated with a boast, not a toast. </div> Here's the Link
Is Marbury a bit too cocky? If he can back up his words than I have no problem. But, how willhe sound if Kidd owns him tonight. It's very unlikely but, Marbury really needs to prove himself more after only 2 games. Marbury is not a Steve Nash. I think he currently is the best in the league. Marbury's assists have been cut down a bit from last season. However, the amount of wins you get is the key so if Marbury played like he did against Orlando and Minnesota every single game than maybe he will be classified as the best PG but, right now, I think he has to do a little catching up to Steve Nash.

 

[JKiDD05NeTs]

1. Steve Nash
2. Jason Kidd
3. Allen Iverson
4. Steve Francis
5. Stephon Marbury

He barely squeaks into the top 5.

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JKiDD05NeTs:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Steve Nash
2. Jason Kidd
3. Allen Iverson
4. Steve Francis
5. Stephon Marbury

He barely squeaks into the top 5.</div>
Bad list is Allen Iverson the better player yes, but better point guard never, and how could you not have Steve Nash who is leading the league in assists not on the top point guard list so far this season for points guards I know I may forget some people, but my list would look like this for top 3...Steve Nash, Steve francis, and Stephon Marbury Jason Kidd has struggled with his shot this season and not really proven anything.

Though I do not want this thread going off topic so to answer mrj18 do I feel that Marbury is to confident yes I do. He can feel he is the better guard and many may agree with him, but he needs to show it on the court. Marbruy has lost a majority of his head to head matchups to Steve Francis through out there careers, and got swept in the playoffs by J Kidd last season so until he beats him he can not talk imo. A true leader shows and lives up to his game on the court not the newspaper.

 

[Ma3oxuct]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JKiDD05NeTs:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Steve Nash
2. Jason Kidd
3. Allen Iverson
4. Steve Francis
5. Stephon Marbury

He barely squeaks into the top 5.</div>

Actually, I do not think that he squeaks in to the top 5....You forgot about Wade. The list IMO should be:

1. Nash
2. Iverson
3. Wade
4. Kidd
5. Francis

If Kidd were 100% he'd probably be #1, I do not think that Marbury deserves to be considered the best PG. Potentially, maybe he could be the best; maybe in a few years he'll understand what he needs to do for his team to win, but for now, he is not in the top 5.

Edit: I've totally forgot about Hinrich from the Bulls. Even he is arguably doing a better job than SM.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting xpehbamxyu:</div><div class="quote_post">
Edit: I've totally forgot about Hinrich from the Bulls. Even he is arguably doing a better job than SM.</div>
You see that's where I draw the line. Hinrich is a very good ballplayer, I'm not denying that. But when one gets all worked up in listing player who are superior one often makes mistakes. Now I know that Hinrich is having a good season, but you have to consider just who you are comparing him to. Marbury averages over 20 points and 8 assists for his career thus far. There are some great players who can't say such a thing, many of them high-scoring point guards.
While Hinrich has a good game, and he's sensational for his second year in the league, don't you think it's a bit premature to compare him to an elite point guard? I know I think it is.

 

[02civic]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Bad list is Allen Iverson the better player yes, but better point guard never, and how could you not have Steve Nash who is leading the league in assists not on the top point guard list so far this season for points guards I know I may forget some people, but my list would look like this for top 3...Steve Nash, Steve francis, and Stephon Marbury Jason Kidd has struggled with his shot this season and not really proven anything.
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Jason Kidd doesnt *need* to prove anything. He's been proving it all his career.
He's fresh off an injury, which understandably means he's a bit rusty, but we all know that Kidd is a better PG than Marbury when he's healthy, and he will be healthy, Kidd's been good with injuries over his career. Regardless if he's playing up to par right now, if you had a list of best Centers in the league, at a time when Shaq was really struggling (say the first 10 games of the season), you'd still put Shaq on the list cause you know he's the man.
The PG list should look like....

1)Kidd
2)Nash
3)Francis
4)Wade (when he's playing PG)
5)Iverson*
6)Marbury


Iverson is a better PG than Marbury despite his current lower FG% and assist numbers by virtue of the role he has to play on the team. He has no talent surrounding him and Marbury does. He has nothing to work with. Which means he's forced into his game a bit more, forcing him to take more shots (averaging 8pts more per game) and he has less scoring options to hit for the assist. Also everyone knows that Iversons gunna be making the big plays, so they key in on him, resulting in his low FG%. Its the same as the Kobe situation, only Kobe actually has teammates that can play that he doesnt utilize.

 

[CUSA Fan]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Here's the Link
Is Marbury a bit too cocky? If he can back up his words than I have no problem. But, how willhe sound if Kidd owns him tonight. It's very unlikely but, Marbury really needs to prove himself more after only 2 games. Marbury is not a Steve Nash. I think he currently is the best in the league. Marbury's assists have been cut down a bit from last season. However, the amount of wins you get is the key so if Marbury played like he did against Orlando and Minnesota every single game than maybe he will be classified as the best PG but, right now, I think he has to do a little catching up to Steve Nash.</div>

I really don't see any problem with the comment Stephon Marbury made. I like a player who thinks he is the best, but that's my opinion. Still, I think it's good for a player to think he's the best, it boosts his confidence. A player who doesn't think he's the best would not perform on the same level. I feel you have to go out, every game, and feel you are the best, unless you really let it get to your head and you become arrogant and slack on the court. But to me, I like this comment made by Marbury because he's showing confidence.

That's my take on it.

Do I really think Marbury is the best pointguard in the league? No. Nash is definitely playing like the best right now.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CUSA Fan:</div><div class="quote_post">I really don't see any problem with the comment Stephon Marbury made. I like a player who thinks he is the best, but that's my opinion. Still, I think it's good for a player to think he's the best, it boosts his confidence. A player who doesn't think he's the best would not perform on the same level. I feel you have to go out, every game, and feel you are the best, unless you really let it get to your head and you become arrogant and slack on the court. But to me, I like this comment made by Marbury because he's showing confidence.

That's my take on it.

Do I really think Marbury is the best pointguard in the league? No. Nash is definitely playing like the best right now.</div>
I don't have a problem with the comment. I agree with you that you should have a confident attitude. But, the way he played yesterday against Jason Kidd shows that he isn't the best PG in the league. Jason Kidd coming fresh off of knee surgery had an excellent game. He also came away with the most important thing: the W. So far, Marbury is yet to prove himslef which is why I think he should avoid comments like that especially without coming out victorious against a team they should have beaten. He should come with the mindset though.

 

[CUSA Fan]

Well yeah, obviously, if he doesn't perform, then it makes him look bad. And the game against Kidd and the Knicks was an example of this. The reason being, is what you mentioned. Kidd played better, coming off of knee surgery, and Kidd and the Nets came out with a win.

 

[Mr. J]

I rethought the whole I'm th best PG thing. The media asked him the question and now we're bashing him as if he just blurted it out randomly or something. Leave the man alone. If he said no I'm not the best PG in the league what would you think. Would you guys prefer that? Wouldn't that have shown a lack of confidence? Also if he thinks he is, that's him. We can't change his opinion. I just wish we didn't lose the game now he looks a bit foolish. The media can sure take something so small and make it <font size="3">huge.</font>

 

[02civic]

^ whats wrong with going away from the question? Or saying "there are alot of great point gaurds in this league and i feel i am one of the best." thats alot better than saying what he did.

 

[og15]

Yea true, because I don't get why he had to bring Kidd into the whole thing, and what was with him saying Kidd is a loser just like him because he hasn't won a championship?

First of all calling yourself a loser isn't a good thing, and Kidd losing to superior teams in the finals isn't his fault, at least he got there.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">^ whats wrong with going away from the question? Or saying "there are alot of great point gaurds in this league and i feel i am one of the best." thats alot better than saying what he did.</div>
Well, he didn't feel that way. He didn't want to lie and he feels he is the best. Also stuff like that sometimes you don't think of when put right on the spot. Right now, he is in contention on being the best. People are acting like Marbury is an absolute scrub or something.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea true, because I don't get why he had to bring Kidd into the whole thing, and what was with him saying Kidd is a loser just like him because he hasn't won a championship?

First of all calling yourself a loser isn't a good thing, and Kidd losing to superior teams in the finals isn't his fault, at least he got there.</div>
I don't exactly remember what happened but, I'm pretty sure Marbury didn't say that for the sake of saying something. I think a reporter asked him a question in which he responded about Kidd etc. He also seemed a bit frusturated when asked the question. However, their is no question that his statement was blown out of proportion.