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Free agency is like a Blazer player not getting foul calls....you get used to it after awhile
 
God I hate when supposed professionals are less knowledgable than the people on this board. Travis demers on rip city radio just said we should re-sign hendo instead of crabbe and go get horford. Fucking stupid.

Learn the game, then talk.
 
I suspect that Olshey will find some value moves to make the team better, but it doesn't look like he's going to be able to pull off any of the major deals that we'd hoped would move us into instant contention. Looks like it's going to be a gradual process rather than a rocket ride to the top.
 
Blazinaway said:
we can easily increase capspace by deciding to let Harkless/Leonard go along with their cap holds
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Let's see, an average NBA player that's 27 with no potential, or two average NBA players that are 23/24 with some potential.

I know who'd I rather have.
 
Eh. It is what It is.... as they say. I'd like Olshey to come up with a shot blocker but I'm not pushing it. The one things that bugs me is that nobody wants to come here. We are under the impression that our players love it here..... and in the past they have. I believe Dame does but our other players snowing us and feeding us lines? If I was getting paid that much I'd play in Antarctica. Are we a delusional fan base?
 
BonesJones said:
Seriously. Olshey will spin it in his special little way and fans will buy it. But I've lost some trust in him if he doesn't pull something big off.
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"trust" in him? appears he tried his best to get a Parsons and Howard combo and perhaps Whiteside as well, POR as we are seeing and have seen for years is just not a destination for "name" FA's - it is what it is
 
BonesJones said:
Let's see, an average NBA player that's 27 with no potential, or two average NBA players that are 23/24 with some potential.

I know who'd I rather have.
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Turner is gonna love you when he gets here
 
riverman said:
C'mon Bones...everybody spins all this shit their own little special way..big is what the team looks like as a unit, not an individual. This is getting interesting...enjoy the ride as it unfolds...he's not done. Didn't get the guy folks wanted so why is anyone surprised?
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I have no confidence that Olshey can build a real contender. He's good at salvaging bad situations and making them good (Clippers, Last Year's Blazers), but he can't turn a team from good into a contender.
 
Turner will be my Aminu next year..
 
I'm pretty salty right now so excuse me if I go off the rails but what a failure of an offseason. The hype was built. This summer. Moves will be made. First off chandler parsons ditches us for Memphis?! Is he out of his mind?! What is it about Portland that people hate? Everything I see is a good chemistry team with high character guys who are young and hungry. They just got to the second round and were competitive with the Warriors. Dame is our point guard, top 10 player in the league. Cj will be an all star one day. Our fans are the best. I just don't understand. Then to make it worse we give Evan turner a fucking contract? Word?! I'm not hyped on him at all. Now what? I swear to god if Neil lets crabbe or harkless go. Can't wait to hear Neil's bullshit later about how this really was a great deal. No, it's not. You can't sell me like you sold me on aminu and Davis because those are guys I could look at myself and be excited for. Evan turner is a joke. It's not like this team got worse, got a tiny bit better but chandler would of made a difference. Fuck him also because that decision makes no sense. Make dame waste his time on your ass. Ridiculous
 
e_blazer said:
You're aware that the Blazers can go over the cap to retain their own free agents, right?
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I said we have no cap space now because of Turner. I was told that we could if we renounce free agents (which I already knew.. I know more about cap rules then most on here). Thing is if we renounced them, it'd be like chosing Turner over them which is bad. If we resign them we won't be able to sign an important free agent.

Either way it's a lose-lose.
 
to bring back a KP phrase (that went nowhere), if we just stand pat (or get a <10M FA or so), we're ripe for "Consolidation Trade.

If you talk to, say, SAC, and say "anyone but Dame is on the table, pick two and a draft pick" for Boogie, we're not a bare cupboard afterwards.
If you talk to a 2017/18 FA in a S&T, and say "we can sign and trade for you to make salaries match and still have an awesome team going forward" that works as well.

Chess, not checkers. I mean, look at the potential depth chart. You have Dame at the 1, Plumlee at the 5 and almost everyone else can play 2 or more positions. Go big, go small, go bombs away, go uptempo, go "long"...the only thing we don't have is a banger big man. And is the NBA really going there?
 
Blazinaway said:
"trust" in him? appears he tried his best to get a Parsons and Howard combo and perhaps Whiteside as well, POR as we are seeing and have seen for years is just not a destination for "name" FA's - it is what it is
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He couldn't get it done. That's what matters.
 
BonesJones said:
I said we have no cap space now because of Turner. I was told that we could if we renounce free agents (which I already knew.. I know more about cap rules then most on here). Thing is if we renounced them, it'd be like chosing Turner over them which is bad. If we resign them we won't be able to sign an important free agent.

Either way it's a lose-lose.
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Who was left that you wanted?
 
Neil doesn't take risks and when he does they are rushed IMO.

Barton/1st for Afflalo
$70m for Turner

Turner is a solid player but at that price? The norm is we have to overpay mid-tier FA to come here.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The reality sucks. The reality is that we lost out to fucking Memphis.
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Which is worse? Losing out to Memphis this year or losing out to Milwaukee with Monroe last summer? Forget how it worked out and that Monroe may still get moved. Portland is losing out to those two cities which I really thought we could beat out. It's not like we lost out to a Championship team or a glitzy market.....it's MIL and MEM for goodness sake.
 
BonesJones said:
I said we have no cap space now because of Turner. I was told that we could if we renounce free agents (which I already knew.. I know more about cap rules then most on here). Thing is if we renounced them, it'd be like chosing Turner over them which is bad. If we resign them we won't be able to sign an important free agent.

Either way it's a lose-lose.
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Turner is a replacement for Henderson. Of the Blazers renounce him, they get $9 mil of cap space back. It was going to cost close to what Turner got to retain Henderson so there's not much of a difference.
 
TBpup said:
Which is worse? Losing out to Memphis this year or losing out to Milwaukee with Monroe last summer? Forget how it worked out and that Monroe may still get moved. Portland is losing out to those two cities which I really thought we could beat out. It's not like we lost out to a Championship team or a glitzy market.....it's MIL and MEM for goodness sake.
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The way I can make sense of this...

Last year, Milwaukee had a better future, Monroe picked the better team
This year, Parsons picked Memphis because they have no SF, and Blazers have a ton. Memphis has no three point shooters or ball handlers (outside of conley) in pdx he'd have to compete with lillard and cj
 
e_blazer said:
Turner is a replacement for Henderson. Of the Blazers renounce him, they get $9 mil of cap space back. It was going to cost close to what Turner got to retain Henderson so there's not much of a difference.
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I know salaries are way out of wack this summer but I'll still be surprised if Henderson gets lost to what Turner just signed for.
 
TBpup said:
Which is worse? Losing out to Memphis this year or losing out to Milwaukee with Monroe last summer? Forget how it worked out and that Monroe may still get moved. Portland is losing out to those two cities which I really thought we could beat out. It's not like we lost out to a Championship team or a glitzy market.....it's MIL and MEM for goodness sake.
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So?

LA and NY are missing out on big names as well. Big f'ing deal.

Besides, Memphis with their players has a better track record the past few years than Portland does with its current roster. There's no guarantee a healthy Portland is better than a healthy Memphis.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Turner is a solid player but at that price? The norm is we have to overpay mid-tier FA to come here.
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Yeah we have known that for while. So why worry so much about it. Over paying them has seldom come back to bite us in the ass. How many free agents have we lost or how many of our own players have we lost due to no cap space? Not many, so why worry so much about over paying him. The worst case scenario is we lose out on another solid, but not great, FA.

Turner is a solid player, is really the key part of your post.
 
Every year we bump threads and here we are getting the crow ready, yet again.
 
RoyToy said:
So?

LA and NY are missing out on big names as well. Big f'ing deal.

Besides, Memphis with their players has a better track record the past few years than Portland does with its current roster. There's no guarantee a healthy Portland is better than a healthy Memphis.
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Yeah....that wasn't the point. If NY and LA were good, I could understand losing out to them....but they are horrible so no one wants to go there. I get Dwight going to ATL vs POR. It's his hometown, it is much more of a multi-cultural city and they are just as good recently as Portland. Milwaukee is historically terrible and Memphis outside of a healthy season or two of Ground and Pound, really haven't done anything either. They have the ability to be better but always seem to have someone hurt.

If Portland is going to lose out to teams like Milwaukee, Memphis, Utah, Charlotte....teams of that stature, that is what is tough to take.
 
Turner doesn't ft the system to me. We already have an issue with harkless, and aminu making threes, even though aminu has come along a little in that department. Having turner chuck threes doesn't interest me and not saying that will be his role but in a stotts offense, you basically have to shoot threes. I have never been high on turner. I just don't get what olshey is doing. I bought his bullshit last year because to me it was impressive with what he could do so quick after Lamarcus left. If all we have to speak for is turner this summer then I lost all faith in this dude. It's not his fault for chandler signing at Memphis but the Evan turner decision is just a really weird one to me
 
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