Neil Olshey Make This Happen

[cmeese47]

Portland has a chance to do well this season but with their current roster a deep playoff run seems unlikely. Therefore, I came up with a trade idea that might get the Blazers over the hump.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kkjrno7

In this trade Portland gets Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich and Jimmy Butler from the Bulls.

Chicago gets Cj McCollum, Earl Watson and a first from Portland. They also get the expiring contract of Emeka Okafor and a late first from the Suns.

Pheonix gets Mo Williams and Dorell Wright from Portland. They also get Mike Dunleavy from the Bulls.

Another one adds Pj Tucker to Portland and Meyers Leonard to the Suns. This version gives the Suns a little more out of the deal but it really depends on if they value Meyers at all.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mcs7hou

Portland loses Mo from the bench but replaces him with Hinrich a much better defender and Hinrich might be struggling this year but is a career 37.5% shooter from three.

Butler takes over Cj's role and while he is not a great ball handler he is an elite defender and a good shooter when healthy. He also has tremendous upside and is a slasher a role that has been missing from this team.

Taj Gibson is a solid scorer, rebounder and is a great defender he is better at PF but could also play C off the bench. Would be a major upgrade here.

With those three in tow our defense would be significantly better and we would gain valuable playoff experience as well.

Additionally, without having to include Leonard, Portland could pair him with someone like Robinson and Barton to try and get someone like Spencer Hawes from the 76ers.

If not at the very least Portland's bench would be much better suited for the playoffs.

 

[ponderguy]

chicago is getting robbed in this

 

[Denny Crane]

Phoenix doesn't get much in these deals.

 

[MARIS61]

Portland gets one keeper, Taj.

No way Hinrich or Butler help our team.

All 3 teams get worse.

 

[ponderguy]

Portland gets one keeper, Taj.

No way Hinrich or Butler help our team.

All 3 teams get worse.

Butler is one of the best young defensive wings in the NBA. He would be a great help but Chicago isn't giving him up that easily.

 

[RR7]

Chicago isn't going to include Butler in a deal like that.

 

[Strenuus]

Logic gets totally beat up on this deal. May want to include it in this deal.

 

[cmeese47]

The Bulls need to clear cap space getting rid of Gibsons contract allows the Bulls to have around 15 million in cap space 30 after amnestying Boozer assuming they keep CJ McCollum. In addition they get a protected first round pick from the Suns and they get a future protected pick from us. That means 2-4 picks this year and 1-3 future firsts depending on how Charlotte and Cleveland finishes this year. In addition, they get a nice scorer in CJ. That is enough to add a max player and a couple pieces with that space. They could also flip some of those picks for a big name in the off season. They get lots of flexibility.

The Suns get help at SF which they seriously need and get some perimeter shooting in both Wright and especially Dunleavy. In addition they get some extra scoring punch from their bench in Mo who offers them protection if Dragic or Bledsoe are out. The Suns have extra picks this year and while they might want someone like Gasol I am not sure that deal happens. So giving up a first to get Dunleavy and Williams seems like a no brainer.

 

[Strenuus]

There are so many trade threads.... why did we need one more?

 

[cmeese47]

Maybe I wanted to focus on this particular trade and group of players rather than sorting through comments in other threads to discuss this one deal. It also does not take away discussion from others threads as well.

 

[Strenuus]

Maybe I wanted to focus on this particular trade and group of players rather than sorting through comments in other threads to discuss this one deal. It also does not take away discussion from others threads as well.

It's still a trade when other trades are being discussed. This one isn't any more special.

 

[cmeese47]

All trades threads are special

 

[Strenuus]

All trades threads are special

That's where you are so wrong. Most trade threads are pointless.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Blazers should sign Lamar Odom to a 10 day contract.

 

[cmeese47]

This trade would open a roster spot to make that happen

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This trade would open a roster spot to make that happen

It would be easier to give Claver a ticket back to Spain.

 

[cmeese47]

It would be easier to give Claver a ticket back to Spain.

Sure but a lot better for the team to make this deal

 

[Strenuus]

Sure but a lot better for the team to make this deal

No it isn't. Chicago will NEVER do this trade. Ill break it down.

CJ isn't worth Gibson and Butler. No where close. We can't even trade a first since we don't have one.

Do I need to keep going? Didn't think so. Make more realistic trades.

 

[Denny Crane]

Also, the Bulls are $600K under the LT, way over the cap. Making this trade and amnesty of Boozer might get them close to $20M. Not $30M.

The Bulls would be left without a backup PG and Nazr Mohammed at PF.

I have been convinced the Bulls won't amnesty Boozer. We'll see.

 

[cmeese47]

No it isn't. Chicago will NEVER do this trade. Ill break it down.

CJ isn't worth Gibson and Butler. No where close. We can't even trade a first since we don't have one.

Do I need to keep going? Didn't think so. Make more realistic trades.

Learn the rules before bad mouthing someone's idea. We cannot trade this years pick or next years at least not before we make the pick due to rules restrictions. However, we certainly can trade our 2016 pick and 2018 and 2020 or 2017 and 2019 and 2021. The Bulls get Cj cap space and 2 first round picks.

Also there has never been a lopsided deal ever in the nba. Erving for cash was completely balanced, same for Dirk Nowitzki for tractor Taylor, Pippen for Polynice and Bj Armstrong as well, Kobe for Divac are just some examples of perfectly balanced trades.

 

[cmeese47]

Also, the Bulls are $600K under the LT, way over the cap. Making this trade and amnesty of Boozer might get them close to $20M. Not $30M.

The Bulls would be left without a backup PG and Nazr Mohammed at PF.

I have been convinced the Bulls won't amnesty Boozer. We'll see.

Thus making it a lot easier to offset Noah trying to ruin their tanking this season. Cutting Boozer, Gibson, and Dunleavy leaves Chicago at 36 million in salaries so 20+ in cap space and over 30 below tax.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Learn the rules before bad mouthing someone's idea. We cannot trade this years pick or next years at least not before we make the pick due to rules restrictions. However, we certainly can trade our 2016 pick and 2018 and 2020 or 2017 and 2019 and 2021. The Bulls get Cj cap space and 2 first round picks.

Until our 2014 pick has been officially conveyed, we cannot trade our 2016 pick. Technically, the pick still has contingencies that could push it out to 2016, meaning that deadline deals can't include any 1st-round pick prior to 2018.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I really appreciate people who go to the trouble of trying to find good trades for us, and i can see a lot of effort went into trying to make this work for everyone. I hope we can see more threads like this. I do agree Chicago probably wouldn't like this. they would not want to trade two fairly young guys on reasonable contracts. I can see Phoenix maybe doing it, but not throwing in a draft pick also.

 

[Strenuus]

Learn the rules before bad mouthing someone's idea. We cannot trade this years pick or next years at least not before we make the pick due to rules restrictions. However, we certainly can trade our 2016 pick and 2018 and 2020 or 2017 and 2019 and 2021. The Bulls get Cj cap space and 2 first round picks.

Also there has never been a lopsided deal ever in the nba. Erving for cash was completely balanced, same for Dirk Nowitzki for tractor Taylor, Pippen for Polynice and Bj Armstrong as well, Kobe for Divac are just some examples of perfectly balanced trades.

Be a more informed poster

Edited because I was being a jerk. I obviously was talking about what you brang up, but I didn't mean to be a d-bag about it. My bad.

 

[Strenuus]

Until our 2014 pick has been officially conveyed, we cannot trade our 2016 pick. Technically, the pick still has contingencies that could push it out to 2016, meaning that deadline deals can't include any 1st-round pick prior to 2018.

Edited.

 

[Strenuus]

Editing... I felt like I was being a dick. Sorry, Meese.

 

[cmeese47]

Until our 2014 pick has been officially conveyed, we cannot trade our 2016 pick. Technically, the pick still has contingencies that could push it out to 2016, meaning that deadline deals can't include any 1st-round pick prior to 2018.

Not true we can include a pick as early as 2016 it just has to be dependent on the Bobcats getting the pick this year, right now a virtual lock, if they don't then the pick can scale to 2017 or 2018 as needed to comply with the rules.

 

[cmeese47]

Editing... I felt like I was being a dick. Sorry, Meese.

no worries shit happens

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Not true we can include a pick as early as 2016 it just has to be dependent on the Bobcats getting the pick this year, right now a virtual lock, if they don't then the pick can scale to 2017 or 2018 as needed to comply with the rules.

We can only include 2016 if the language designates the pick as "first allowable", but to do that, it would have to be unprotected, which teams rarely do. For protections to be placed, years have to be specified.

Edit: Actually, looking further into cba faq #86, it appears that "first allowable" is only available when trading two first-round picks in the same deal, when the first pick is protected.

Except for pick protection and the one-time option to defer the conveyance of a pick as described above, trades must specify the precise year in which a pick is to be conveyed.

 

[Denny Crane]

You can trade a #1 pick on draft day, if you have it. No matter if you've traded the previous or next one already.