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Fez Hammersticks

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This team has a lot of cap sitting idle. Portland is not a destination - trades/draft are the only options.

Neil has assembled a frontcourt with similar players -- Hustle players who can't create their own shot. At best, their jumpers are streaky.

Neil either knows what he's doing (plan is to suck most heinously) or he's incompetent.
 
One of the worst things you can do is have high turnover in executive positions. Neil has done a pretty good job given what he started with when he joined us. Give him a few years through this process to figure it out.

Reggie McKenzie the raiders gm, got multiple years, with fans constantly calling for his head, and look at him now? The raiders are finally climbing out of that hole.
 
Pros
Dame draft
CJ draft
Rolo trade
Plumlee trade

Cons
Stotts hiring
Stotts extension
Hawes #1 option
Batum/Vonleh trade
Wright signing
LMA - no matter what side you're on, Olshey was wrong

Mehs
Hibbert max contract
Champ/Afflalo trade
Leonard draft
Kaman signing
Davis signing
Aminu signing

All told, his history here hasn't been great. But I still want to give him 3 more years, as long as he hires a new coach within the next two years.
 
blue9 said:
Pros
Dame draft
CJ draft
Rolo trade
Plumlee trade

Cons
Stotts hiring
Stotts extension
Hawes #1 option
Batum/Vonleh trade
Wright signing
LMA - no matter what side you're on, Olshey was wrong

Mehs
Hibbert max contract
Champ/Afflalo trade
Leonard draft
Kaman signing
Davis signing
Aminu signing

All told, his history here hasn't been great. But I still want to give him 3 more years, as long as he hires a new coach within the next two years.
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I forgive him for that Batum trade tho, he tried to trick NY into giving us Porzingis for Von and Hendo, he tried to get something valuable, but he couldn't because Batum played like a french girl last season.

-I didn't like him treating Lopez like dogs**t and i didn't find a good enough reason for not re-signing him.
-I didn't like it when he offered Leonard a new contract.
-That Hibbert contract could have been awful...
-I can imagine Neil is somewhat handcuffed by mister Paul Allen. He knows he can chase some bargains like Markeef Maurice or Cousins, but what will Paul say about those "thugs"?
 
Blazers Roy said:
I forgive him for that Batum trade tho, he tried to trick NY into giving us Porzingis for Von and Hendo, he tried to get something valuable, but he couldn't because Batum played like a french girl last season.

-I didn't like him treating Lopez like dogs**t and i didn't find a good enough reason for not re-signing him.
-I didn't like it when he offered Leonard a new contract.
-That Hibbert contract could have been awful...
-I can imagine Neil is somewhat handcuffed by mister Paul Allen. He knows he can chase some bargains like Markeef Maurice or Cousins, but what will Paul say about those "thugs"?
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Lopez is horrible. Total waste of money. Plumlee is sooooo much better than Rolo.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
This team has a lot of cap sitting idle. Portland is not a destination - trades/draft are the only options.

Neil has assembled a frontcourt with similar players -- Hustle players who can't create their own shot. At best, their jumpers are streaky.

Neil either knows what he's doing (plan is to suck most heinously) or he's incompetent.
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He actually signed a big man who can create his own shot but OKC matched the offer for Kanter (don't ask me why).
 
Natebishop3 said:
Lopez is horrible. Total waste of money. Plumlee is sooooo much better than Rolo.
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You don't have to choose between him and Plumlee.
If New York was willing to dump that much money on Lopez then he probably had some good trade value.

Look at Mozgov in Denver last year. a pressured contender WILL shell those draft picks for a decent Center.
 
Blazers Roy said:
You don't have to choose between him and Plumlee.
If New York was willing to dump that much money on Lopez then he probably had some good trade value.

Look at Mozgov in Denver last year. a pressured contender WILL shell those draft picks for a decent Center.
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That was before the trade deadline. We weren't going to trade him last year in the midst of a playoff run.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That was before the trade deadline. We weren't going to trade him last year in the midst of a playoff run.
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Of course not, i'm saying we should have re-signed him in order to obtain another asset this year\this coming summer.
 
blue9 said:
Pros
Dame draft
CJ draft
Rolo trade
Plumlee trade

Cons
Stotts hiring
Stotts extension
Hawes #1 option
Batum/Vonleh trade
Wright signing
LMA - no matter what side you're on, Olshey was wrong

Mehs
Hibbert max contract
Champ/Afflalo trade
Leonard draft
Kaman signing
Davis signing
Aminu signing

All told, his history here hasn't been great. But I still want to give him 3 more years, as long as he hires a new coach within the next two years.
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Sure seems like your writing this with the hindsight glasses on.

I think the Batum trade is okay because, like it was pointed out. NO aimed higher and was denied. How could he be wrong on LMA when LMA was so wishy washy? A GM can only do so much when its own stars are not straight up honest.
The Champ trade was good at the time and what we needed.
Leonard was also the best player available at the time of the draft and something we really needed.
Kaman was a huge signing and has paid off big time overall. remember, he was brought in to be insurance/backup to Rolo and he was more than an adequate backup. great signing at the time.
Davis signing has been a steal overall. He is the workhorse of this team so far. Leads the league in offensive rebounds off the bench get a meh?
Aminu was and is a good stopgap at SF/PF. I dont think he was the long term starter, but is for now. When he settles into the bench for the future, it will turn out to be a great signing. As it is, He has played well for us overall considering everyone said he had no shot.

I usually agree with most of your posts, but this seems biased based on new knowledge that wasn't there at the time of said trade/signing.

I love what NO has been doing overall, considering the cards he had to play with.

Also, Stotts was the perfect coach for LMA, being an Ex Dallas guy. He just had his team overhauled. I see some flaws in Stotts' gameplan now, but if he doesnt try things in a CONSISTENT fashion, then the experiments will fail due to lack of consistency. Stotts is fine, the team is fine. Things take time....
 
In Olshey we trust others win championships
 
Blazers Roy said:
Of course not, i'm saying we should have re-signed him in order to obtain another asset this year\this coming summer.
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So you would have signed him to a 13-14 million a year contract just so we could trade him? His value is in the toilet. We dodged a serious bullet.

The Knicks gave Robin a 4 year, $54 million deal. That's 13.5 per year. That's a HUGE overpay.

He's currently averaging 7.2 ppg, 5.4 rebounds, and a PER of 12.5. That's not going to get you many offers with that contract.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
This team has a lot of cap sitting idle. Portland is not a destination - trades/draft are the only options.

Neil has assembled a frontcourt with similar players -- Hustle players who can't create their own shot. At best, their jumpers are streaky.

Neil either knows what he's doing (plan is to suck most heinously) or he's incompetent.
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Neil is far from incompetent. He knows what he's doing. He plans ahead, right now its good to have these guys that will make great role players on a good team. He may have a good draft pick and tons of assets and cap space to work with this summer.

I think the plan is to try to get a good draft pick and build from there. If he gets a top pick, he uses cap space to overpay a young player with potential with a max contract. I think he goes after an Adidas guy since Dame and JR Duperrier are in Portland and have a lot of influence with the brand and athletes. Think Harrison Barnes or DeMar DeRozan, not sure who else is out in that space, John Wall is as well but he's a cornerpiece of the Wizards.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Neil is far from incompetent. He knows what he's doing. He plans ahead, right now its good to have these guys that will make great role players on a good team. He may have a good draft pick and tons of assets and cap space to work with this summer.

I think the plan is to try to get a good draft pick and build from there. If he gets a top pick, he uses cap space to overpay a young player with potential with a max contract. I think he goes after an Adidas guy since Dame and JR Duperrier are in Portland and have a lot of influence with the brand and athletes. Think Harrison Barnes or DeMar DeRozan, not sure who else is out in that space, John Wall is as well but he's a cornerpiece of the Wizards.
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Barnes would make a lot of sense. He would fit next to CJ or Crabbe. I still think we need to trade CJ.
 
If I had to guess at Olshey's plan, it would probably be to try to pick up one significant veteran player this season in an unbalanced trade, but not until the trade deadline so that it doesn't mess up getting a top-10 pick in the draft. I think he wants to retain enough cap space to chase one max player this summer and wants to build the roster up enough that the Blazers will be a desirable destination. I don't know if it will work out, but I think that's a reasonable plan. I think he gets props for bailing on Lopez and Matthews once LA walked. I'd have preferred him retaining Nic rather than trading for the package he got, but he may know that Nic wasn't going to re-sign here.
 
e_blazer said:
If I had to guess at Olshey's plan, it would probably be to try to pick up one significant veteran player this season in an unbalanced trade, but not until the trade deadline so that it doesn't mess up getting a top-10 pick in the draft. I think he wants to retain enough cap space to chase one max player this summer and wants to build the roster up enough that the Blazers will be a desirable destination. I don't know if it will work out, but I think that's a reasonable plan. I think he gets props for bailing on Lopez and Matthews once LA walked. I'd have preferred him retaining Nic rather than trading for the package he got, but he may know that Nic wasn't going to re-sign here.
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Won't we have enough to offer two max deals? How many teams can do that?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Won't we have enough to offer two max deals? How many teams can do that?
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I haven't really looked at the numbers, but I'm assuming that he uses some of that money in an unbalanced trade this season.
 
Natebishop3 said:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/portland-trail-blazers-team-salary/

They've got us at $56,871,160 for 2016 but that includes all of our RFA and guys like Montero and Cliff Alexander. The cap is expected to go up to almost $90 million. I'm not entirely sure what a max contract will look like in the new cap.
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Depending on how unbalanced the trade was, it looks like they might be able to sign a significant player at the deadline and still clear enough room for two max contracts. If it weren't for the fact that so many other teams will have room for at least one, that situation would really have me excited.
 
Why is the Meyers Leonard pick always considered a "con" or a "loss"?

A list of the players taken after him in the First Round looks something like this:
12: Jeremy Lamb
13: Kendall Marshall
14: John Henson
15: Moe Harkless
16: Royce White
17: Tyler Zeller
18: Terrence Jones
19: Andrew Nicholson
20: Evan Fournier
21: Jared Sullinger
22: Fab Melo
23: John Jenkins
24: Jared Cunningham
25: Tony Wroten
26: Milkes Plumlee
27: Arnett Moultrie
28: Perry Jones
29: Marquis Teague
30: Festus Ezeli

Who exactly is A) a better player than Leonard right now? and B) a likely selection at 11?

The 2012 draft was extremely top-heavy and we missed out on a player like Andre Drummond at No.9, because we won too many games.
 
HolyBackboard said:
Why is the Meyers Leonard pick always considered a "con" or a "loss"?

A list of the players taken after him in the First Round looks something like this:
12: Jeremy Lamb
13: Kendall Marshall
14: John Henson
15: Moe Harkless
16: Royce White
17: Tyler Zeller
18: Terrence Jones
19: Andrew Nicholson
20: Evan Fournier
21: Jared Sullinger
22: Fab Melo
23: John Jenkins
24: Jared Cunningham
25: Tony Wroten
26: Milkes Plumlee
27: Arnett Moultrie
28: Perry Jones
29: Marquis Teague
30: Festus Ezeli

Who exactly is A) a better player than Leonard right now? and B) a likely selection at 11?

The 2012 draft was extremely top-heavy and we missed out on a player like Andre Drummond at No.9, because we won too many games.
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Out of that list, I would have taken

Henson
Fournier
Sullinger

The rest are "meh."
 
blue9 said:
Pros
Dame draft
CJ draft
Rolo trade
Plumlee trade

Cons
Stotts hiring
Stotts extension
Hawes #1 option
Batum/Vonleh trade
Wright signing
LMA - no matter what side you're on, Olshey was wrong

Mehs
Hibbert max contract
Champ/Afflalo trade
Leonard draft
Kaman signing
Davis signing
Aminu signing

All told, his history here hasn't been great. But I still want to give him 3 more years, as long as he hires a new coach within the next two years.
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I think Hibbert has to be moved to the Con as well, that would have been a worse signing than Hawes. Offering the max to Kanter is also highly questionable. Imagine this team with a no defense center.

I wouldn't call Stotts a bad hiring though...the team certainly played much better with him that McMillen. But it's frustrating that night after night, we see the Blazers frustrated by aggressive defenses, while ours sits back and plays conservatively, even though we have a long athletic roster.

I'd also move the batum/vonleh trade to the "meh" catagory. Vonleh looks like a dud, but he took a shot at getting a lottery pick prospect rather than letting Batum walk for nothing.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
This team has a lot of cap sitting idle. Portland is not a destination - trades/draft are the only options.

Neil has assembled a frontcourt with similar players -- Hustle players who can't create their own shot. At best, their jumpers are streaky.

Neil either knows what he's doing (plan is to suck most heinously) or he's incompetent.
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I think our front court would make a great 2nd unit front court. They just don't quite cut it as starters. Indivudally, they could be starters if they were surrounded by better talent. But I don't think there were really any better options for Neil this offseason.
 
Sinobas said:
I think Hibbert has to be moved to the Con as well, that would have been a worse signing than Hawes. Offering the max to Kanter is also highly questionable. Imagine this team with a no defense center.

I wouldn't call Stotts a bad hiring though...the team certainly played much better with him that McMillen. But it's frustrating that night after night, we see the Blazers frustrated by aggressive defenses, while ours sits back and plays conservatively, even though we have a long athletic roster.

I'd also move the batum/vonleh trade to the "meh" catagory. Vonleh looks like a dud, but he took a shot at getting a lottery pick prospect rather than letting Batum walk for nothing.
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Vonleh looks like a dud with that huge sample that we've seen from him and all those years in the league.
 
OK people seriously need to get off the Hawes thing with short hindsight. Lets take a look back at the season prior to Olsheys offer to Hawes.

80 games played split between Cleveland and Philly 25 YO
30 mpg
13.5 ppg
8.3 rpg
3.0 apg
1.2 BPG
.456 fg%
.416 3pt%

That is not a "bad" player to go after especially when you are wanting to space the floor. It's easy to look back after the fact and feel like you know it all, but in reality you had no more clue at the time than Neil did that Hawes was going to lay an egg in LA.

By Comparison our Starting center was Lopez and in the same season
31 mpg
11.1 ppg
8.7 rpg
0.9 apg
1.7 bpg
.551 fg%
Zero 3pt attempts

Yeah terrible idea.
 
Schilly said:
OK people seriously need to get off the Hawes thing with short hindsight. Lets take a look back at the season prior to Olsheys offer to Hawes.

80 games played split between Cleveland and Philly 25 YO
30 mpg
13.5 ppg
8.3 rpg
3.0 apg
1.2 BPG
.456 fg%
.416 3pt%

That is not a "bad" player to go after especially when you are wanting to space the floor. It's easy to look back after the fact and feel like you know it all, but in reality you had no more clue at the time than Neil did that Hawes was going to lay an egg in LA.
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He was one of the most sought after free agents. People seem to forget that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Barnes would make a lot of sense.
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I don't get the Barnes love. Especially given how much people hated Nic. Even during Nic's "bad" year he was better than Barnes. Paying Barnes MAX would be stupid.
 
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