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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Dec 31 2007, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have an excess of 3PT shooting, I need rebounding, who needs 3 pointers?</div>

You shoulda talked to me a few weeks ago, when I still had Haslem and Lee.
 
December Awards

Best Waiver wire pick-up: Linas Kleiza; Fruitcake

Team of the Month: Dumpy Knows Nothing; Went undefeated in December

Shame Award: Brick City BullDogs; Dropping Wally and losing 0-9 to JCB.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 1 2008, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boki for Artest better get vetoed. Sh*t trade.</div>

Artest might get surgery.

He'll be back just in time for Dumpy's playoff run, no doubt.
 
Artest will miss a month at most.


The crap part is that it's for Boki, who is a marginal player in an 18 team league. Why not just drop Artest if you're so eager to get rid of him?
 
I drafted Boki, released him, picked him up again and released him.

He hasn't gotten any better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 1 2008, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Artest will miss a month at most.


The crap part is that it's for Boki, who is a marginal player in an 18 team league. Why not just drop Artest if you're so eager to get rid of him?</div>

i thought artest was on the no-cut list, but I could be wrong about that. I suspect he'll be out longer than a month, but no one will know for sure until they open him up. If someone misses a month at this point, that's roughly 30% of his value lost. I guess I'll just offer someone else for Artest then.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 1 2008, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I drafted Boki, released him, picked him up again and released him.

He hasn't gotten any better.</div>

I don't really want him, but it turned out that I kept the wrong three-point specialists and should never have cut the ones I did. Last year he really turned it on after the first of the year; I'm hoping that repeats.
 
I feel like I returned from the bar to find some guy dancing with my wife. I'm gonna need some friends to help beat you up, KC.
 
You wanna fight me, you vagina? OY!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 1 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You wanna fight me, you vagina? OY!

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Boki is better than Marbury.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 1 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know about that. Marbury isn't that bad...when he plays.</div>

Artest will play before Marbury will. Put it this way . . . I THOUGHT about offering Boki for Marbury . . . and decided against it.
 
Well I woulda rejected it with my samurai quickness, so no harm no foul. Marbury will probably play in the upcoming week.
 
So, let's recap:

(1) Dumpy works out a tentative trade for Artest.
(2) KC complains about the trade, and lobbies for it to be vetoed.
(3) Dumpy indicates taht if the trade is, indeed, vetoed, he'll submit a new trade offer using a different player.
(3) Within MINUTES of the trade being vetoed, KC submits his own offer for Artest, which is tentatively accepted.

If this doesn't scream "abuse" and "self-dealing," I don't know what does. Even if Marbury-for-Artest is, on its face, fair, this trade should be veotoed for no other reason than the fact that KC evidently used the veto process to his advantage. He would NEVER had made such an offer had Dumpy not contacted Legacy first. He is a bottom-feeding scum-sucking parasite. Dumpy obviously should be given an opportunity to work out a deal for Artest that is acceptable to everyone. If I'm unable to come to some agreement with Legacy, then KC--or someone else--can do what he wants. Until then, what KC is doing is unethical, unwarranted, and should not be permitted.
 
Point me to the rulebook, chief!

unethical, unwarranted, should not be permitted? LOL

I'm a bottom feeding, scum-sucking parasite? F*ck you, brah.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 2 2008, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Point me to the rulebook, chief!

unethical, unwarranted, should not be permitted? LOL

I'm a bottom feeding, scum-sucking parasite? F*ck you, brah.</div>

I'll take that as an admission that your behavior is unethical.

I'm not trying to be combative. Again, I asked Legacy about Artest after it was publicized that he'd need surgery, and before there was any indication as to how long he would be out. I was willing to take the chance that he'd be out for a few months, or the rest of the year--which, as a non-cuttable player, would possibly doom my team from winning the championship. I offered a player taht is playing, will continue to play, and most importantly is CUTTABLE, so Legacy could use that rtoster spot however he wants. In comparison, you've offered a player that hasn't played in weeks, and may not play for another few weeks, and may possibly retire. What you're doing is abusing the veto system for your own advantage, and is one reason why veto systems should be discouraged. There either needs to be a cooling off period, where I get the opportunity to reformulate a new trade that is "acceptable" to everyone, or everyone gets an opportunity to submit an offer for Artest simultaneously, and Legacy can choose whichever one he likes the best.
 
unethical? it's fantasy basketball. we aren't playing for any prize, except bragging rights. there's no ethics involved. if it's that serious to you, you can combine my team with yours so you can win, since it seems so damn important to you.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 2 2008, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>unethical? it's fantasy basketball. we aren't playing for any prize, except bragging rights. there's no ethics involved. if it's that serious to you, you can combine my team with yours so you can win, since it seems so damn important to you.</div>

This has nothing to do with "winning" or "losing." I believe that any process must be clear, ethical, free from abuse, fraud, and self-dealing, and transparent, whether it is a business process, a government process, or even a game for fun. Rules like this one are meant to shield one from the misdeeds of others, not wielded like a sword. As I've stated, I have no problem with the decision by the the league based upon new information (namely, the amount of time that Artest will be out, although I still don't really believe it, especially given that he has apparently yet to even schedule the surgery) that wasn't known to me when I made the offer. I've explained why I thought my offer for Artest was fair and reasonable, but if others disagree, that's fine with me. I've come up with a solution that is both fair and reasonable. You, on the other hand, just hurl insults and seem to think that there should be no restriction on behavior that is, at least arguably and at most undeniably, unethical. Now, it's entirely possible--even likely--that your Marbury offer will trump anything I would offer (assuming that marbury will even ever play again, which is no sure thing), but the process used to reach that deal has, in my view, been tainted by what appears to be the self-serving exercise of your veto power.

So who is taking this too seriously again?

I'd really like to hear from others about this. If I'm crazy, please let me know.
 
It seems like it's Legacy's foul more than KC's. He should have waited to receive more offers for Artest, before jumping on the next one. But fantasy's usually about grabbing the opportunity before the next guy. I don't know how I feel about KC abusing the veto system- at least 5 other guys felt the way he did.

But Artest's surgery is scheduled for tomorrow and Marbury practiced yesterday and is a game-time decision today. There's still time for him to do something crazy like retire, though. If something does happen, I'm happy to vote veto tonight.
 
I just hurl insults?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a bottom-feeding scum-sucking parasite.</div>

Who is the one who takes this league too serious? Maybe it's the one who is making a big issue out of all of this? Who is that again?


You make it seem like I went around and convinced others to veto that trade, which isn't true, if someone didn't like it, they vetoed it, I apparently wasn't the only one who felt it was an unfair trade. That doesn't mean I have to sit around and give you a window to re-negotiate. I can offer trades, too, which was what I did, and then you flipped out about it.
 
I didn't veto the trade. I guess I was away from my computer for too long to veto the trade...still, Dumpy's trade was poop. Trade a former all-star for a player who's having an extremely shitty season? No way.

KC's trade is pretty poop too. Marbury's not even playing this season, and Ronny might actually come back. wtf?
 
I see fruitcake has gone inactive the past 2 weeks, hope it's a case of him being gone for the holidays rather than giving up on the league.
 
Just got a trade...Zach Randolph for Kirk Hinrich. Would anyone do this?

Because no way I would. Kirk helps me out with assists, and he gets enough points and rebounds to help out my team. And Randolph sucks.
 
Lol, I didn't know the Artest deal was gonna cause so much drama.

I thought it'd be out for the rest of the season, so I accepted trades. Right now, I need a scorer, so if you want Artest, send me back a dude who average at least 20 PPG.
 
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