Nets, Heat After Keyon Dooling

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetsDaily)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Magic’s Keyon Dooling, seen as an ideal backup because of his ability to play both guard spots, is being heavily recruited by the Nets and the Heat. Although seven teams have approached the 6′-3″ Dooling, Miami and New Jersey are seen as front runners. The Nets are reportedly willing to give Dooling a three-year deal. The Heat will not. New Jersey first pursued Dooling in 2005, but he signed with the Magic.</div>

Orlando loses Duhon to Knicks - John Denton - Florida Today

Agent says Heat targeting Dooling - Barry Jackson & Michael Wallace - Miami Herald

In search of independence - Ira Winderman - South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Well, this would be pretty sweet. We couldn't get Westbrook in the draft, so why not get the next best thing? Haha. I'd love having this guy on the team - he plays good defense, he's athletic, he can shoot a good midrange game, and he's just great to watch.

This would probably be the best FA signing in about 5 years. I think.

 

[jtballa2o1]

HE WOULD FIT IN PERFECT, GET HIM THORN!!!!!

 

[bbwSwish]

If you steal Keyon Dooling from us, I'll be so pissed.

 

[danxcr]

omg dooling would give us veteran leadership... hehe only carter is over 30 on our team

 

[Real]

First question I have is since it might be a three year deal, how much will he be making and how much if at all will it affect our FA in 2010 situation.

 

[jtballa2o1]

so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right??

 

[bbwSwish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right??</div>

Orlando is still the front runner. He has said he wants to return since before the season ended.

 

[jtballa2o1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right??</div>

Orlando is still the front runner. He has said he wants to return since before the season ended.
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aaahhh damn, do u guys even have any money leftover? u spent like a billion dollars on Lewis for no reason...

 

[bbwSwish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right??</div>

Orlando is still the front runner. He has said he wants to return since before the season ended.
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aaahhh damn, do u guys even have any money leftover? u spent like a billion dollars on Lewis for no reason...
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I'd take a productive overpaid Rashard over a less productive overpaid Vince.

 

[go nets]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right“</div>

Orlando is still the front runner. He has said he wants to return since before the season ended.
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aaahhh damn, do u guys even have any money leftover? u spent like a billion dollars on Lewis for no reason...
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I'd take a productive overpaid Rashard over a less productive overpaid Vince.

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In Vince Carter's defense his 07-08 #'s:

21.3ppg 6.0rpg 5.1apg 1.2spg 0.4bpg 45%FG 35%3p

Rahard Lewis07-08#'s:

18.2ppg 5.4rpg 2.4apg 1.2spg 0.5bpg 45%FG 40%3p

Looks like VC was the more productive player and IMO he had a bad year, playing most of it on 1 ankle.

 

[bbwSwish]

Vince is declining though and the Nets shouldn't have locked him up for as long as they did.

 

[soul driver]

then again, with those numbers from VC, the Nets don't have Howard

needless to say, it'd be great to have Dooling, but I really see him staying with the Magic.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jul 5 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>then again, with those numbers from VC, the Nets don't have Howard

needless to say, it'd be great to have Dooling, but I really see him staying with the Magic.</div>

Vince wasn't playing alongside an all-star player on the wings, either...

 

[jtballa2o1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince is declining though and the Nets shouldn't have locked him up for as long as they did.</div>
you could say the same about rashard though.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince is declining though and the Nets shouldn't have locked him up for as long as they did.</div>
you could say the same about rashard though.
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But Rashard's only 28, while Vince is 30. What?

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince is declining though and the Nets shouldn't have locked him up for as long as they did.</div>

Id rather have VC than Lewis for the money hes due to make

Rashard Lewis is due:

2008 $17.2 million
2009 $18.8 million
2010 $20.5 millon
2011 $22 million
2012 $23 million

Hes definitly NOT worth that kind of money!

Meanwhile for a "declining" VC who put 21ppg 6rp 5rpg on 1 ankle.

Carter is due:

2008 $15.2 million
2009 $16.3 million
2010 $17.3 million
2011 $18 million (Team Option)

Id rather have VC and his contract anyday over Lewis and that lucrative deal

*These salary #'s came from HoopsHype

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right??</div>

Orlando is still the front runner. He has said he wants to return since before the season ended.
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Also every free agent says the same BS about "wanting to return" . Just look at Baron Davis, Boozer, Mikki Moore.

BullSh*t walks , Money talks!

 

[fefe]

Trade Hassell+ KVH for Nocioni
sign Dooling for 2 years,
and I think we are a better team than last year!!


Harris/Dooling/Marcus
VC/CDR/Ager
Nocioni/Simmons/FA (Hodge?)
Yi/Stro/Anderson
Boone/Sean/Lopez


That's a nice lineup to start the season, and if Lopez proves he is worth starting, we are a playoff team each year while waiting for LeBron, with the entire starting lineup staying intact in 2010 to welcome James.

 

[djnswdjn]

never really seen the magics play, what kind of G is he?

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Jul 5 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right??</div>

Orlando is still the front runner. He has said he wants to return since before the season ended.
</div>

Also every free agent says the same BS about "wanting to return" . Just look at Baron Davis, Boozer, Mikki Moore.

BullSh*t walks , Money talks!
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Yeah, but you've got the attraction of Dwight Howard vs. the attraction of Dwyane Wade and Vince Carter. Really, who do you think is gonna pull in the players?

 

[go nets]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 5 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Jul 5 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right??</div>

Orlando is still the front runner. He has said he wants to return since before the season ended.
</div>

Also every free agent says the same BS about "wanting to return" . Just look at Baron Davis, Boozer, Mikki Moore.

BullSh*t walks , Money talks!
</div>

Yeah, but you've got the attraction of Dwight Howard vs. the attraction of Dwyane Wade and Vince Carter. Really, who do you think is gonna pull in the players?
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Niether of those teams are going to win a championship next season IMO, so it comes down to who offers the better deal.

 

[netsking]

Money does talk. Duhon could've signed with the Magic but chose the Knicks for the money. Money talks and if we offer more we CAN get him. But its not like i want him too much though. I'd rather have Marcus Williams and give him a full year as a backup instead.

 

[Real]

Looking back the Magic really didn't have to sign Rashard Lewis.

Any team with Dwight Howard is already more than halfway towards winning a championship, probably multiple ones. Orlando just needs to surround him with a championship-caliber supporting cast.

 

[fefe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 5 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Looking back the Magic really didn't have to sign Rashard Lewis.

Any team with Dwight Howard is already more than halfway towards winning a championship, probably multiple ones. Orlando just needs to surround him with a championship-caliber supporting cast.</div>

Especially because Hedo proved last year, that he has everything that Lewis has, and some more. And they play the same position too...

To compliment Dwight on offense, you need a PF that can really shoot, so playing one of them at PF is not a very bad idea. If Dwight ever learns to pass out from the post, it will get even better though.

Defensively though, the magic found the only way to make an average defensive team with Dwight in the middle.
Puttind Rashard at PF, and starting Hedo and Nelson in 2 other spots was probably the only way to create a team around Dwight which is not a moster defensively

 

[Basileus777]

The Magic would have been better off throwing that money at Vince than Ra$hard. Orlando has given some pretty bad contracts to Lewis and Nelson. And its really going to hurt their attempts to build around Howard. They'll probably be stuck in mediocrity for some years because of it.

 

[Dark Defender]

Orlando did need to sign Rashard.

Rashard Lewis presence on the outside spreads the floor and is one of the reasons Hedo did so well last year. Rashard is overpaid but I don't expect him to decline any time soon.

 

[Lavalamp]

Orlando didn't need to sign Rashard, if he was going to demand 120 mill over 6 years... They should have signed Kapono for 24 mill if they really wanted a shooter. Have Hedo play PF, and Kapono play SF.

Then they could spend the extra 96 mill on Brand this year.

C: Dwight
PF: Brand
SF: Hedo
SG: Kapono
PG: Nelson

 

[bbwSwish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Jul 5 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Orlando did need to sign Rashard.

Rashard Lewis presence on the outside spreads the floor and is one of the reasons Hedo did so well last year. Rashard is overpaid but I don't expect him to decline any time soon.</div>


Exactly!

 

[jirohkanzaki]

dooling does defend well and posseses a deadly perimeter jumper but why is he always considered as a "combo guard"? he is most definitely not a point guard...he usually takes the shot himself and is not particularly good setting up teammates.

 

[bbwSwish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jul 5 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dooling does defend well and posseses a deadly perimeter jumper but why is he always considered as a "combo guard"? he is most definitely not a point guard...he usually takes the shot himself and is not particularly good setting up teammates.</div>

He's a great ball handler, fast, and his decision making has gotten a whole lot better so he can definitely run an offense. He's capable of playing both point guard and shooting guard.