Nets Interested in Stromile Swift

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Jan 31 2008, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd do Swift for Collins</div>
who wouldnt?

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 31 2008, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, I believe it. Thron has always been bizarrely enamored with Stro.

How does anyone that watched Thron give Jeff McInnis a two year deal not believe he'd go after Not So Swift?</div>

Bizarrely, weirdly true. As the Blazers started to put conditions on the sign and trade for SAR in 2005, the Nets opened discussions with Swift and the Grizz. The Nets were willing to give Swift the full MLE if they couldn't come to an agreement with SAR. Swift agreed and the Grizz were willing to do the deal for a second round pick. Then, the Nets made the deal with SAR and Swift started talks with the Rockets. By the time SAR flunked his physical, Swift had signed with the Rockets.

Now with Boone, SWilliams and hopefully a healthy Krstic, there is virtually no need for Swift. But reading Adrian Wojnarowski tonight, it seems like it has a real shot.

(Of course, maybe the deal is being talked about because of the prospective trading partners for Kidd won't take Collins in some mega deal but would be willing to take on Swift. So the Nets are trying to make that deal first. Probably not but a thought.)

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 31 2008, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>(Of course, maybe the deal is being talked about because of the prospective trading partners for Kidd won't take Collins in some mega deal but would be willing to take on Swift. So the Nets are trying to make that deal first. Probably not but a thought.)</div>

that is my thought, if only because of the timing of this rumour. The sole thing that Thron is focusing on right now is ridding the team of the cancer Jason Kidd. Everything else is secondary.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 31 2008, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>(Of course, maybe the deal is being talked about because of the prospective trading partners for Kidd won't take Collins in some mega deal but would be willing to take on Swift. So the Nets are trying to make that deal first. Probably not but a thought.)</div>

Isn't there a waiting period for teams to be able to trade away a player they just traded for..?

 

[JCB]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 31 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 31 2008, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>(Of course, maybe the deal is being talked about because of the prospective trading partners for Kidd won't take Collins in some mega deal but would be willing to take on Swift. So the Nets are trying to make that deal first. Probably not but a thought.)</div>

Isn't there a waiting period for teams to be able to trade away a player they just traded for..?
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I think it's two months if the player is in a packaged deal with other players. (Don't hold me to that. I'm not a wiz by any means regarding player management)

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jan 31 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 31 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 31 2008, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>(Of course, maybe the deal is being talked about because of the prospective trading partners for Kidd won't take Collins in some mega deal but would be willing to take on Swift. So the Nets are trying to make that deal first. Probably not but a thought.)</div>

Isn't there a waiting period for teams to be able to trade away a player they just traded for..?
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I think it's two months if the player is in a packaged deal with other players. (Don't hold me to that. I'm not a wiz by any means regarding player management)
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Good point. A player cant be traded in a multi player deal for 60 days. He can be traded straight up for another player or draft pick immediately, thus Rasheed Wallace's one game stay in Atlanta before being traded to Detroit.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 31 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jan 31 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 31 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 31 2008, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>(Of course, maybe the deal is being talked about because of the prospective trading partners for Kidd won't take Collins in some mega deal but would be willing to take on Swift. So the Nets are trying to make that deal first. Probably not but a thought.)</div>

Isn't there a waiting period for teams to be able to trade away a player they just traded for..?
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I think it's two months if the player is in a packaged deal with other players. (Don't hold me to that. I'm not a wiz by any means regarding player management)
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Good point. A player cant be traded in a multi player deal for 60 days. He can be traded straight up for another player or draft pick immediately, thus Rasheed Wallace's one game stay in Atlanta before being traded to Detroit.
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however, I believe that you can have simultaneous trades. Swift doesn't have to end up on the Nets.

 

[ZAE]

Nets Offering Jason Collins for Stromile Swift
January 31, 2008, 10:16 pm The Nets may be close to trading Jason Collins to Memphis for Stromile Swift, the athletic but underachieving power forward. The Nets were reportedly rebuffed in an earlier attempt to pick up Swift for Jamaal Magloire and are now offering Collins. Swift, 28, will be paid $5.8 million this season and has a player option at $6.2 million for next, a near match for Collins.

Trade talk involving Swift heats up again - Ron Tillery - Memphis Commercial Appeal

UPDATE: Nets still pursuing Swift - Ron Tillery - Memphis Edge

Jason May Be Out - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone

 

[jirohkanzaki]

great! we then trade stro to the kings for underperforming mikki moore, then memphis buys out collins next season and we get his defense and "intangibles" back for the minimum!

 

[King John da FiF]

Good pick! Get rid of collins and his hallow knees. Stromile Swift for Jason Collins and 2 bags of ice.

 

[NOMAM]

The anonymous sources in my head are telling me it's a three way deal:

Memphis gets Collins
Denver gets Swift, Magloire, and Armstrong
Nets get Kenyon Martin

 

[cpawfan]

I'm waiting for the spin on the Griz turning down Magloire for Swift but agreeing to Twin for Swift

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm waiting for the spin on the Griz turning down Magloire for Swift but agreeing to Twin for Swift</div>

I told you that reporter was wrong.

That was probably Memphis' original offer (which Kiki laughed at).

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm waiting for the spin on the Griz turning down Magloire for Swift but agreeing to Twin for Swift</div>

I told you that reporter was wrong.

That was probably Memphis' original offer (which Kiki laughed at).
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Sorry, not buying it

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm waiting for the spin on the Griz turning down Magloire for Swift but agreeing to Twin for Swift</div>

I told you that reporter was wrong.

That was probably Memphis' original offer (which Kiki laughed at).
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Sorry, not buying it
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What aren't you "buying"?

That Collins is in the deal instead of Magloire?

Or do you think Memphis is hot for Collins and can't wait to dump $6M on him?

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm waiting for the spin on the Griz turning down Magloire for Swift but agreeing to Twin for Swift</div>

I told you that reporter was wrong.

That was probably Memphis' original offer (which Kiki laughed at).
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Sorry, not buying it
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What aren't you "buying"?

That Collins is in the deal instead of Magloire?

Or do you think Memphis is hot for Collins and can't wait to dump $6M on him?
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You have to realize who is the GM in Memphis. Look back at what he did when he was on the Celtics. Chris Wallace isn't focus on dumping contracts for expirings. He bought out Mighty Mouse instead of moving him for an expiring deal.

I'm not buying that the reporter was wrong. Memphis is in a youth movement and needs some quality guys in their locker room.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm waiting for the spin on the Griz turning down Magloire for Swift but agreeing to Twin for Swift</div>

I told you that reporter was wrong.

That was probably Memphis' original offer (which Kiki laughed at).
</div>

Sorry, not buying it
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What aren't you "buying"?

That Collins is in the deal instead of Magloire?

Or do you think Memphis is hot for Collins and can't wait to dump $6M on him?
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Look at the Grizz roster. Is there a glue guy there? Someone with BBIQ? Someone who has been out of the first round? Who would you want considering that deficit, Magloire or Collins? Iavaroni is fed up with Swift, joining a long list of those who have fallen in and out of love with Swift's athleticism.

And by the way, Mags straight up for Swift doesn't work. Collins does. The Nets would also save about $300,000 on the deal (cant hurt when making complicated deals) and with Swift having a player option in July, buying him out might be easier than buying out Collins.

I suspect that if they are haggling at this point, it's either about money (to Memphis) or a pick (second round to Memphis) or the Grizz are looking for an alternative. Swift will be traded, the question is for who and how much and when.

I don't have much of an issue with this trade...as a trade. It seems like a wash between mirror image players. The question is will Swift be happy in a front court with Krstic, Boone and Sean Williams? Will Sean Williams get as much playing time now? Don't they have the same skills?

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm waiting for the spin on the Griz turning down Magloire for Swift but agreeing to Twin for Swift</div>

I told you that reporter was wrong.

That was probably Memphis' original offer (which Kiki laughed at).
</div>

Sorry, not buying it
</div>

What aren't you "buying"?

That Collins is in the deal instead of Magloire?

Or do you think Memphis is hot for Collins and can't wait to dump $6M on him?
</div>

You have to realize who is the GM in Memphis. Look back at what he did when he was on the Celtics. Chris Wallace isn't focus on dumping contracts for expirings. He bought out Mighty Mouse instead of moving him for an expiring deal.

I'm not buying that the reporter was wrong. Memphis is in a youth movement and needs some quality guys in their locker room.
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That's a pretty expensive quality guy, especially considering that he can't really play.

I will be shocked if Wallace actually turned town Magloire and asked for Collins instead.

 

[Dumpy]

I'm pretty excited about all of this. I think Swift is awesome and is jus what the Nets need--a strong presence both in the locker room and the defensive end. He's already had a double-double this year and had FOUR last year! Sometimes he gets an assist AND a steal in the same game! He's also a MUCH better free throw shooter than Collins--he's over 60% this year! Not to mention he's much better looking.

Why wouldn't you make this deal?

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 1 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm pretty excited about all of this. I think Swift is awesome and is jus what the Nets need--a strong presence both in the locker room and the defensive end. He's already had a double-double this year and had FOUR last year! Sometimes he gets an assist AND a steal in the same game! He's also a MUCH better free throw shooter than Collins--he's over 60% this year! Not to mention he's much better looking.

Why wouldn't you make this deal?</div>

I've never been more convinced that your avatar is hooked up to your webcam...

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
I'm not buying that the reporter was wrong. Memphis is in a youth movement and needs some quality guys in their locker room.</div>

That's a pretty expensive quality guy, especially considering that he can't really play.

I will be shocked if Wallace actually turned town Magloire and asked for Collins instead.
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Ghoti, how is Memphis supposed to cut payroll by trading Swift? No-one wants him, so to get expiring contracts Memphis will probably need to give up a pick. The salaries have to be within 15%, so regardless of the deal they can't really save more than 500,000 this year.

If there's nothing coming in and he's not producing, might as well swap him for a + locker room guy who'll get you similar stats.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 1 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at the Grizz roster. Is there a glue guy there? Someone with BBIQ? Someone who has been out of the first round? Who would you want considering that deficit, Magloire or Collins? Iavaroni is fed up with Swift, joining a long list of those who have fallen in and out of love with Swift's athleticism.</div>

For some reason, this just screams to me, "JEFF MCINNIS!!!!"...so next, does Swift go to the Bobcats?

 

[Deeznets]

ESPNnews just reported that Stro has in fact been traded for Collins. It did not say that he will be traded for Collins. I guess the trade is official. I won't celebrate until I see Collins in a Griz uni.


Side note.....Fred Hickman on ESPNnews is sporting a giant hoop earring in one ear. He looks like a giant homo. A far stretch from his days on YES when he looked like a fat math teacher.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Deeznets @ Feb 1 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ESPNnews just reported that Stro has in fact been traded for Collins. It did not say that he will be traded for Collins. I guess the trade is official. I won't celebrate until I see Collins in a Griz uni.


Side note.....Fred Hickman on ESPNnews is sporting a giant hoop earring in one ear. He looks like a giant homo. A far stretch from his days on YES when he looked like a fat math teacher.</div>

The little bar thing on the bottom of ESPN says that the Grizz have "agreed to trade" Swift for Collins.

 

[Deeznets]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 1 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Deeznets @ Feb 1 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ESPNnews just reported that Stro has in fact been traded for Collins. It did not say that he will be traded for Collins. I guess the trade is official. I won't celebrate until I see Collins in a Griz uni.


Side note.....Fred Hickman on ESPNnews is sporting a giant hoop earring in one ear. He looks like a giant homo. A far stretch from his days on YES when he looked like a fat math teacher.</div>

The little bar thing on the bottom of ESPN says that the Grizz have "agreed to trade" Swift for Collins.
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Yeah you're right. They did have a little highlight of Stro and said he was traded to Nets, but I guess they know just as much as we do at this point.