Nets Looking to Deal M. Williams

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 18 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't mind the Hawks getting him. What's his trade value?</div>

That's not up to the Nets

edit: To those that say Marcus Williams is worthless, I disagree only by the technicality that he developed a fairly consistent three-point shot towards the end of the season. Sure we want more out of him for a guy that was supposedly so great out of college, but once you take away any lingering draft hype I can't complain with what he brings as the 21st draft pick. I'd like to trade him, but I wouldn't cut him loose for next to nothing.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (razel231 @ May 18 2008, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who would become our backup pg?</div>

Who cares?

Who is better, Marcus Williams or Ramon Sessions?

Sessions was available all year waiting for someone to sign him. There are lots of players like that out there.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 18 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Aw come on cpaw, he's not that bad. He's a streaky shoot-first PG with range to 3 pt line, quick, can make very nice passes, [tries to] play under control, relatively bad on D. Sounds a lot like Bibby, although a lot less refined and polished. Different attitude as well.

I don't think they should throw him under the bus just yet. Without Kidd here Williams may start feeling free enough to stop being a bonehead. At this point, I'd say he's very low risk/high reward type of player. Look at it: he IS young, he IS talented, he does have good b-ball IQ, he makes $1.2M in the last year of the contract. That's worth more than a 2nd round draft pick.</div>

I wish you were an NBA GM.

Please feel free to contact as many as you can.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 19 2008, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (razel231 @ May 18 2008, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who would become our backup pg?</div>

Who cares?

Who is better, Marcus Williams or Ramon Sessions?

Sessions was available all year waiting for someone to sign him. There are lots of players like that out there.
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Actually the Bucks signed him to a multi-year contract after they drafted him

 

[GMJ]

But I think what ghoti is saying is that similar-type players will be available. For instance Sean Singletary's name has been mentioned more than once on this board, and it looks like he'll be drafted in the second round.

edit: or hey, Lester Hudson? Why not, it's a second round pick; worth seeing if he could be better than Marcus.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ May 19 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But I think what ghoti is saying is that similar-type players will be available. For instance Sean Singletary's name has been mentioned more than once on this board, and it looks like he'll be drafted in the second round.

edit: or hey, Lester Hudson? Why not, it's a second round pick; worth seeing if he could be better than Marcus.</div>

Pretty much. I didn't realize Sessions was Bucks property. I didn't hear about him for such a long time.

If the Nets take a useful backup PG instead of a eurostash in the second round, that would be a great thing.

 

[dino33]

If I aint wrong...... Marcus the worst turnover per possesion rate in the NBA....

Heard it from one of the Nets games.

With that said, he does have somewhat of a streaky 3-pt stroke and some passing ability which i hope can get us someone like Reddick or if not a late first round pick.

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 18 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd trade Marcus to Minny for one of those 2nd round picks. That 31st pick is VERY valuable.</div>

I'd say this is about Marcus' value, realistically. I'd do that deal.

Honestly, I think he just needs a change of scenery, and especially a new coach. He got disheartened playing behind Kidd and lost confidence, and that's been his biggest problem as an NBA player.

He's really not that bad - the game just moves too fast for him right now because he needs more full speed playing time. Still, he's never going to develop to anything in New Jersey, so we might as well deal him.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ May 19 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 18 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd trade Marcus to Minny for one of those 2nd round picks. That 31st pick is VERY valuable.</div>

I'd say this is about Marcus' value, realistically. I'd do that deal.

Honestly, I think he just needs a change of scenery, and especially a new coach. He got disheartened playing behind Kidd and lost confidence, and that's been his biggest problem as an NBA player.

He's really not that bad - the game just moves too fast for him right now because he needs more full speed playing time. Still, he's never going to develop to anything in New Jersey, so we might as well deal him.
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This excuse has been the biggest cop out in this kid's career. It's not like the Nets have ever had a decent back-up for Kidd. There was opportunity for him to come in and play a solid 10 to 15 minutes per game on a playoff caliber team from the minute he suited up. How many rookies walk into that situation? He had a minimal pressure, high reward gig with instant opportunity to start his career. All he needed to do was show up in shape, work hard, and become very effective at just a few things.

 

[Astral]

Trading Marcus away for nothing right now accomplishes nothing. Whoever we can draft with a 2nd round draft pick wont be able to contribute right away, and may not even get a guaranteed contract because we're carrying so many youngsters.
On the other hand, assuming Marcus' problems were all in his head and he comes in much better prepared this season, he can still turn out to be a good player. In the worst case scenario, he's an expiring $1.2M contract which can be used at trade deadline. Even if by some magic no team wants him, the most you're risking is $1.2M which comes off after this season.

Reddick has no business in the NBA. We were a horrible defensive team on the perimeter, getting Reddick is like putting a big chunk of salt into an exposed flesh wound. Plus, he makes $2M.

 

[Claud]

I like Marcus for Twolves 2nd round pick

 

[danxcr]

i for one havent given up on marcus... not yet... i believe he will get his act together makin him a very good tradable person

 

[d-blockrep2]

I'm a very dissapointed with the Nets shopping Marcus Williams around, I still believe his overly exposed flaws are a product of Frank's coaching. Look at the stats below in games Marcus has started G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK PTS

As A Starter 7 7 213 28-68 13-26 9-11 2 26 28 44 8 1 78


According to http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=388 Marcus's number mirror numbers Kidd "One way to look at it: Although Williams’ numbers were not that much different than his mentor’s first season in Dallas 13 years ago, once you factor in the disparity in minutes.

Williams averaged more points per 48 minutes than Kidd (19.7 to 16.6) and almost as many assists (9.5 to 10.9) per 48 in their rookie years. Williams wasn’t even that far behind young Kidd in rebounding. Kidd averaged 7.7 per 48, Williams 6.0. In terms of turnovers, Williams averaged 5.1 per 48 minutes, Kidd 4.5, not much of a difference.

Shooting percentages were very equivalent…and dismal. Both shot less than 40% overall and less than 30% from beyond the arc. Williams shot 39.5% overall, Kidd 38.5%. Williams shot 28.2% from beyond the arc, Kidd 27.2% "

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (d-blockrep2 @ May 21 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm a very dissapointed with the Nets shopping Marcus Williams around, I still believe his overly exposed flaws are a product of Frank's coaching. Look at the stats below in games Marcus has started G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK PTS

As A Starter 7 7 213 28-68 13-26 9-11 2 26 28 44 8 1 78


According to http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=388 Marcus's number mirror numbers Kidd "One way to look at it: Although Williams’ numbers were not that much different than his mentor’s first season in Dallas 13 years ago, once you factor in the disparity in minutes.

Williams averaged more points per 48 minutes than Kidd (19.7 to 16.6) and almost as many assists (9.5 to 10.9) per 48 in their rookie years. Williams wasn’t even that far behind young Kidd in rebounding. Kidd averaged 7.7 per 48, Williams 6.0. In terms of turnovers, Williams averaged 5.1 per 48 minutes, Kidd 4.5, not much of a difference.

Shooting percentages were very equivalent…and dismal. Both shot less than 40% overall and less than 30% from beyond the arc. Williams shot 39.5% overall, Kidd 38.5%. Williams shot 28.2% from beyond the arc, Kidd 27.2% "</div>
It goes beyond numbers... especially with a PG. Lots of losers have pretty numbers (i.e. - Marbury).

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

But Kidd played defense.