Nets’ Off-Season Rankings

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

No. Not all Rookies are the same. Josh McRoberts is not as good as Al Horford. It's a fact.</p>

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Whatever, I'm off to bed.</p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mynetsforlife)</div><div class='quotemain'>

No. Not all Rookies are the same. Josh McRoberts is not as good as Al Horford. It's a fact.</p>

</p>

Whatever, I'm off to bed.</p>

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Stuckey is not even the top 10 pick.</p>

Bad comparison.</p>

 

[JCB]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>1)I do understand what you mean, but you are just still making nonsense.</div></p>

It's not nonsense. You just percieve it as so. It's reality.</p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>2) I am really happy you are not the coach. Coach won't play the rookie to guard the elite big men in the NBA all day long, if Sean Williams is a backup big man,</p>

then he will play with the backup Big man. He can learn things from many sides. If Boone could guard Yao Ming for a while and did good, why can't</p>

Sean Williams?</p>

What could Sean Williams do? He could guard the guys that driving to the paint, and block the shots to LBJ, Wade, or What.</p>

He can still be used in right way, not really as simple as in the internet.</div></p>

If he's a back up big, he still may face elite big men, no? In some situations, it's unavoidable. And when those situations arise, Williams will get burned. An occasional block from Williams is nice, but it's not what we need. He's lacking in far too many other areas for his blocks to be of any major significance. </p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3) NBA ready? They even don't play any NBA games. Rookie is Rookie, and not the top 5 draft rookies.</div></p>

You just don't get it. Experience and the term "NBA-ready" are two completely different things. Stuckey's ball handling, driving ability, and jump shot are all NBA-caliber talents. Sean's shot blocking is his only NBA-caliber talent, and even that can be debated. Stuckey is much more "NBA ready" for his rookie year than Williams is. </p>

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[JCB]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>Hi, King of Logic.

No, rookies is rookies.</p>

</div></p>

Yes, all bow down to me, King of Logic. (MNFL, put that in your sig, eh?

)</p>

Rookies is rookies, yes. But some rookies have better developed skills than others, no? Stuckey's skills are developed to the extent that they will help the Pistons this year. Sean's skills (again, with the possible exception of shot blocking) are not even close to being developed enough to make an impact. That is a FACT.
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[jarkid]

[quote name='JCB']

[quote name='jarkid']1)I do understand what you mean, but you are just still making nonsense.[/QUOTE]</p>

It's not nonsense. You just percieve it as so. It's reality.</p>

2) I am really happy you are not the coach. Coach won't play the rookie to guard the elite big men in the NBA all day long, if Sean Williams is a backup big man,</p>

then he will play with the backup Big man. He can learn things from many sides. If Boone could guard Yao Ming for a while and did good, why can't</p>

Sean Williams?</p>

What could Sean Williams do? He could guard the guys that driving to the paint, and block the shots to LBJ, Wade, or What.</p>

He can still be used in right way, not really as simple as in the internet.

</p>

If he's a back up big, he still may face elite big men, no? In some situations, it's unavoidable. And when those situations arise, Williams will get burned. An occasional block from Williams is nice, but it's not what we need. He's lacking in far too many other areas for his blocks to be of any major significance. </p>

3) NBA ready? They even don't play any NBA games. Rookie is Rookie, and not the top 5 draft rookies.

</p>

You just don't get it. Experience and the term "NBA-ready" are two completely different things. Stuckey's ball handling, driving ability, and jump shot are all NBA-caliber talents. Sean's shot blocking is his only NBA-caliber talent, and even that can be debated. Stuckey is much more "NBA ready" for his rookie year than Williams is. </p>

</p>[/QUOTE]

1) No, you are still making nonsense, you change your idea when it encounters the difficulty.</p>

2)</p>

Sure, Of course, they will face the elite big men some occasions, but not all day long, just like Boone guarded Yao. And he did a good work.</p>

Sometimes you are too relying on your personal opinion, </p>

"He's lacking in far too many other areas for his blocks to be of any major significance. "</p>

Please give me about 200 words that how could you know this? And if you are wrong when the season starts, please donate 3000 dollars to the red cross organization, if you think you are always right.</p>

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3) No, Rookies is Rookies, he is great from the rookies, but he is a rookie. King of Logic, you didnt answer </p>

Stuckey is more experieced than Sean, so he could help the Pistons, give me the asnwers.</p>

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

If Pistons Rookies could be the reasons for high-ranking, why not Sean Williams? Because he is raw?</p>

No, they are all rookies.</p>

</div></p>

That's precisely why. Sean has virtually no NBA-ready talent. Stuckey does. </div> </p>

</p>

Hi, King of Logic.</p>

No, rookies is rookies.</p></div>

So do you think MJ = Sam Bowie?</p>

Or perhaps more relevant: Greg Oden / Kevin Durant are at the same level as Josh McRoberts? </p>

I mean hey, rookies is rookies right?</p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>Hi, King of Logic.

No, rookies is rookies.</p>

</div></p>

Yes, all bow down to me, King of Logic. (MNFL, put that in your sig, eh?

)</p>

Rookies is rookies, yes. But some rookies have better developed skills than others, no? Stuckey's skills are developed to the extent that they will help the Pistons this year. Sean's skills (again, with the possible exception of shot blocking) are not even close to being developed enough to make an impact. That is a FACT.</p>

</p></div>

Bow down to you? haha, maybe you don't know what the sarcasm is. lol. </p>

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No, Rookies is rookies, he is great in some areas, but he is the rookies, he won't get too many advantages in the first NBA season.</p>

 

[GMJ]

(wow you gotta love how Josh McRoberts was independently picked as the epitome of a 2007 draft pick bum!)

 

[NJNetz]

At one point, McRoberts was projected to be a top 3 pick. Just saying.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

No, Rookies is rookies, he is great in some areas, but he is the rookies, he won't get too many advantages in the first NBA season.</p></div>

You mean like Brandon Roy was last year, or Chris Paul was the year before that? I think those two players did pretty well despite being rookies... </p>

 

[jarkid]

[quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='JCB'][quote name='jarkid']

If Pistons Rookies could be the reasons for high-ranking, why not Sean Williams? Because he is raw?</p>

No, they are all rookies.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

That's precisely why. Sean has virtually no NBA-ready talent. Stuckey does. [/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Hi, King of Logic.</p>

No, rookies is rookies.</p>[/QUOTE]

So do you think MJ = Sam Bowie?</p>

Or perhaps more relevant: Greg Oden / Kevin Durant are at the same level as Josh McRoberts? </p>

I mean hey, rookies is rookies right?</p>

[/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Sure, you are right Bowie > Jordan, I would bet you would say about this if the season even doesn't start in the 1984.</p>

</p>

Yeah, Portland thought Bowie > Jordan before the start of the season, but they know the answers after the season starts.</p>

So does the season even start right now?</p>

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[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

No, Rookies is rookies, he is great in some areas, but he is the rookies, he won't get too many advantages in the first NBA season.</p></div>

You mean like Brandon Roy was last year, or Chris Paul was the year before that? I think those two players did pretty well despite being rookies... </p></div>

Stuckey is not even a top 12 rookie.</p>

 

[GMJ]

[quote name='jarkid'][quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='JCB'][quote name='jarkid']

If Pistons Rookies could be the reasons for high-ranking, why not Sean Williams? Because he is raw?</p>

No, they are all rookies.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

That's precisely why. Sean has virtually no NBA-ready talent. Stuckey does. [/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Hi, King of Logic.</p>

No, rookies is rookies.</p>[/QUOTE]

So do you think MJ = Sam Bowie?</p>

Or perhaps more relevant: Greg Oden / Kevin Durant are at the same level as Josh McRoberts? </p>

I mean hey, rookies is rookies right? </p>

[/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Sure, you are right Bowie > Jordan, I would bet you will say about this if the season even didn't start.</p>

</p>

Yeah, Portland thought Bowie > Jordan before the start of the season, but they know the answers after the season starts.</p>

So does the season even start right now?</p>

</p>[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. Would you agree that Jordan and Bowie, despite being rookies at the same time, had much different skill levels?</p>

Its the same reason that not all 2007 rookies can be classified the same way.</p>

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Stuckey is not even a top 12 rookie.</p></div>

Neither was Sean Williams.</p>

 

[jarkid]

[quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='JCB'][quote name='jarkid']

If Pistons Rookies could be the reasons for high-ranking, why not Sean Williams? Because he is raw?</p>

No, they are all rookies.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

That's precisely why. Sean has virtually no NBA-ready talent. Stuckey does. [/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Hi, King of Logic.</p>

No, rookies is rookies.</p>[/QUOTE]

So do you think MJ = Sam Bowie?</p>

Or perhaps more relevant: Greg Oden / Kevin Durant are at the same level as Josh McRoberts? </p>

I mean hey, rookies is rookies right? </p>

[/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Sure, you are right Bowie > Jordan, I would bet you will say about this if the season even didn't start.</p>

</p>

Yeah, Portland thought Bowie > Jordan before the start of the season, but they know the answers after the season starts.</p>

So does the season even start right now?</p>

</p>[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. Would you agree that Jordan and Bowie, despite being rookies at the same time, had much different skill levels?</p>

Its the same reason that not all 2007 rookies can be classified the same way.</p>[/QUOTE]

No, you are missing the points, too.</p>

in 1984, the season doesn't start, they think Bowie > Jordan, but after the season start, they prove they are wrong.</p>

</p>

Does the season start, too? If Stuckey sucks in his rookie season, what will you do?</p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Stuckey is not even a top 12 rookie.</p></div>

Neither was Sean Williams.</p></div>

So you are making the wrong comparison, Stuckey is not Roy, Paul, or Jordan.</p>

I think you didn't understand why I am putting the things on the tables right now.</p>

Please read whole thread and think clearly before making the posts for helping your old friends.</p>

 

[GMJ]

[quote name='jarkid'][quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='JCB'][quote name='jarkid']

If Pistons Rookies could be the reasons for high-ranking, why not Sean Williams? Because he is raw?</p>

No, they are all rookies.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

That's precisely why. Sean has virtually no NBA-ready talent. Stuckey does. [/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Hi, King of Logic.</p>

No, rookies is rookies.</p>[/QUOTE]

So do you think MJ = Sam Bowie?</p>

Or perhaps more relevant: Greg Oden / Kevin Durant are at the same level as Josh McRoberts? </p>

I mean hey, rookies is rookies right? </p>

[/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Sure, you are right Bowie > Jordan, I would bet you will say about this if the season even didn't start.</p>

</p>

Yeah, Portland thought Bowie > Jordan before the start of the season, but they know the answers after the season starts.</p>

So does the season even start right now?</p>

</p>[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. Would you agree that Jordan and Bowie, despite being rookies at the same time, had much different skill levels?</p>

Its the same reason that not all 2007 rookies can be classified the same way. </p>[/QUOTE]

No, you are missing the points, too.</p>

in 1984, the season doesn't start, they think Bowie > Jordan, but after the season start, they prove they are wrong.</p>

</p>

Does the season start, too? If Stuckey sucks in his rookie season, what will you do?</p>[/QUOTE]

ahhh ok, yes I see the point you're making. I guess it's too soon to tell; we don't know who will pan out to be a better player.</p>

That being said, thats the mind set you have to take when reading these off-season rankings. Of course the season will turn out differently, so there's no real reason to take these that seriously.</p>

Sean Williams could come out and average a quadrouple double. He could saun-livingston himself the first game of the season, too (huge knock on wood).</p>

So based on the fact that all off-season analysis has to be taken with a grain of salt, its not a false statement to say that Stuckey and Williams are at different points in their careers. After all, Stuckey wasn't kicked off the team his senior year.</p>

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Please read whole thread and think clearly before making the posts for helping your old friends.</p></div>

haha you've got the wrong impression my friend. I'm just putting forth my independent viewpoint, regardless of who agrees with it or not. I'll chalk up not "thinking clearly" or "reading [sic] the thread" to the language barrier. </p>

 

[JCB]

[quote name='jarkid']1) No, you are still making nonsense, you change your idea when it encounters the difficulty.[/QUOTE]</p>

I haven't changed my position or reasons at all. If I did so, please provide evidence. I've remained steadfast on the fact that Stuckey is more NBA-ready than Williams. </p>

2)Sure, Of course, they will face the elite big men some occasions, but not all day long, just like Boone guarded Yao. And he did a good work.

</p>

Are Boone and Williams the same person? Boone is a better defender than Williams anyway. Sean is the better shotblocker. There's a difference. </p>

Sometimes you are too relying on your personal opinion,

</p>

As do you, sir. It's a part of a persuasive arguement that cannot be ignored, denied, or avoided. Personal opinions will always be present. </p>

"He's lacking in far too many other areas for his blocks to be of any major significance. "</p>

Please give me about 200 words that how could you know this? And if you are wrong when the season starts, please donate 3000 dollars to the red cross organization, if you think you are always right.

</p>

What will he provide on offense? Please tell me. Outside of 5 feet, he can't score. His defensive IQ isn't the greatest, and he consistently makes silly decisions resulting in fouls in the post. He either gets a block, or fouls the opposing player. (remember his 8 fouls in the first summer league game?) That's not defense. It's something he needs to improve upon. And until he does, he's a liability. Sorry, it's not 200 words. But quality is what counts.</p>

And I don't have $3000 to give to the Red Cross. Sorry.</p>

And I don't think I'm always right, by the way. Whenever I am wrong, I admit it. And in this case, I don't think I am wrong. I'm realistic. It's great to like Sean's potential, but to expect what you're expecting out of him this year is setting yourself up to be disspointed. </p>

3) No, Rookies is Rookies, he is great frmo the rookies, but he is a rookie. King of Logic, you didnt answer

</p>

King of Logic did answer. King of Logic made a compelling arguement. Stuckey is more NBA-ready than Williams. It is a fact. </p>

Stuckey is more experieced than Sean, so he could help the Pistons, give me the asnwers.

</p>

He's not more "experienced." He's more "NBA-ready." Again, there's a difference. I've already given my arguements to support that point. I'm not going over it again. Either choose to accept it as my opinion, or keep ignoring it as you have been. </p>

</p>

 

[jarkid]

[quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='GMJigga'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='JCB'][quote name='jarkid']

If Pistons Rookies could be the reasons for high-ranking, why not Sean Williams? Because he is raw?</p>

No, they are all rookies.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

That's precisely why. Sean has virtually no NBA-ready talent. Stuckey does. [/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Hi, King of Logic.</p>

No, rookies is rookies.</p>[/QUOTE]

So do you think MJ = Sam Bowie?</p>

Or perhaps more relevant: Greg Oden / Kevin Durant are at the same level as Josh McRoberts? </p>

I mean hey, rookies is rookies right? </p>

[/QUOTE] </p>

</p>

Sure, you are right Bowie > Jordan, I would bet you will say about this if the season even didn't start.</p>

</p>

Yeah, Portland thought Bowie > Jordan before the start of the season, but they know the answers after the season starts.</p>

So does the season even start right now?</p>

</p>[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. Would you agree that Jordan and Bowie, despite being rookies at the same time, had much different skill levels?</p>

Its the same reason that not all 2007 rookies can be classified the same way. </p>[/QUOTE]

No, you are missing the points, too.</p>

in 1984, the season doesn't start, they think Bowie > Jordan, but after the season start, they prove they are wrong.</p>

</p>

Does the season start, too? If Stuckey sucks in his rookie season, what will you do?</p>[/QUOTE]

ahhh ok, yes I see the point you're making. I guess it's too soon to tell; we don't know who will pan out to be a better player.</p>

That being said, thats the mind set you have to take when reading these off-season rankings. Of course the season will turn out differently, so there's no real reason to take these that seriously.</p>

Sean Williams could come out and average a quadrouple double. He could saun-livingston himself the first game of the season, too (huge knock on wood).</p>

So based on the fact that all off-season analysis has to be taken with a grain of salt, its not a false statement to say that Stuckey and Williams are at different points in their careers. After all, Stuckey wasn't kicked off the team his senior year.</p>[/QUOTE]

Sean wasnot kicked out for the reason thathe sucked.</p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Please read whole thread and think clearly before making the posts for helping your old friends.</p></div>

haha you've got the wrong impression my friend. I'm just putting forth my independent viewpoint, regardless of who agrees with it or not. I'll chalk up not "thinking clearly" or "reading [sic] the thread" to the language barrier. </p></div>

</p>

Thanks a lot, I am always improving my English ability from talking to the people like you, althought they are not smart, they can help me in elevating my English.</p>

</p>

And back to the topic, you didn't read the whole thread, huh? You don't understand why I put those things on the table.</p>

 

[JCB]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bow down to you? haha, maybe you don't know what the sarcasm is. lol.</div></p>

Do you know what sarcasm is? </p>

Because my post was clearly sarcasm as well. It's part of my nature and character to provide witty responses such as that. I'm a funny guy.</p>

</p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bow down to you? haha, maybe you don't know what the sarcasm is. lol.</div></p>

Do you know what sarcasm is? </p>

Because my post was clearly sarcasm as well. It's part of my nature and character to provide witty responses such as that. I'm a funny guy.</p>

</p></div>

Yes, I know, but your sarcasm is really bad, the thing you do is not called Sarcasm.</p>

 

[JCB]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bow down to you? haha, maybe you don't know what the sarcasm is. lol.</div></p>

Do you know what sarcasm is? </p>

Because my post was clearly sarcasm as well. It's part of my nature and character to provide witty responses such as that. I'm a funny guy.</p>

</p></div>

Yes, I know, but your sarcasm is really bad, the thing you do is not called Sarcasm.</p>

</div></p>

My sarcasm is bad? How so? I thought it was quite good, and obvious. </p>

</p>

 

[jarkid]

[quote name='JCB'][quote name='jarkid'][quote name='JCB']

[quote name='jarkid']Bow down to you? haha, maybe you don't know what the sarcasm is. lol.[/QUOTE]</p>

Do you know what sarcasm is? </p>

Because my post was clearly sarcasm as well. It's part of my nature and character to provide witty responses such as that. I'm a funny guy.</p>

</p>[/QUOTE]

Yes, I know, but your sarcasm is really bad, the thing you do is not called Sarcasm.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

My sarcasm is bad? How so? I thought it was quite good, and obvious. </p>

</p>[/QUOTE]

</p>

I am sorry to tell the truth, and I am not trying to hurt you.</p>

</p>

But..</p>

</p>

</p>

</p>

</p>

</p>

</p>

</p>

</p>

</p>

</p>

It's really bad.</p>

 

[JCB]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>I am sorry to tell the truth, and I am not trying to hurt you.

But..</p>

It's really bad.</p>

</div></p>

It's all good man. I happen to think my sense of humor and sarcasm tend to be some of my strongest attributes, but it's okay that you think differently. </p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>I am sorry to tell the truth, and I am not trying to hurt you.

But..</p>

It's really bad.</p>

</div></p>

It's all good man. I happen to think my sense of humor and sarcasm tend to be some of my strongest attributes, but it's okay that you think differently. </p></div>

Don't worry about it, there is a long way for you to improve.</p>

 

[lukewarmplay]

Hey, jarkid, there's no ignore function at this site, so if you're going to post in every Nets thread here, I'm going to politely ask you to not be obnoxious with people who disagree with you, especially by laughing at their opinions. </p>

</p>

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mynetsforlife)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

If you don't understand it, just move on, I don't care.</p>

</p>

You could regard that as the language of Mars or the sucking of English, yeah, I am really bad in English, you are right.</p></div>

</p> Quite the opposite, really. I think your English is amazing, better than my dad's, and he's been in English speaking countries for 18 years. Honestly, your skills are quite admirable.</div>

</p> true dat. i'm sure if most of us in the Nets forum were to attempt to go on a message board in jarkid's native language, we'd all be off 10 times worse than him.

 

[pegs]

anyways...i think we'll just have to wait and see when the season starts. i've learned it's not always a good idea to start making predictions and get excited about things before the season even starts. </p>

I'm hoping the Nets will win a championship, but i'll wait to make my opinions known on whether or not that'll happen until the season is under way. </p>