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when i saw Mile in the clips from youtube from the open practice it was sad to watch him "play". it just seems he doesnt want to be here and still has no idea what he is doing and is just trying to run through the motions. i hope to dear god we can get rid of him so we can get a body who can actually prdouce for us this year. now whether frank plays him or not is a different story, but at least frank would have an option to bring people off the bench who can actually contribute.</p>
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We have no idea what Ilic can do, as he's been injured for nearly the whole time he's been here.</p>
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Standouts from today's televised practice, in no particular order:</p>
(1) Boki Nackbar: Great stroke, great running the floor, great drives in the half court, decent defense, looks VERY confident. Seeing as this echoes much of what those who saw the open practice observed and what's been written in the blogs, I predict a huge year for him.</p>
(2) Malik Allen: Not only is he a lock to make the team, I think he's a lock to start, at least until and unless Nenad is back to 100% (which appears to be quite a ways off from what I observed today). He already appears very adept in the team defensive schemes. He runs the floor and is more mobile in the half court than I realized previously. He has an excellent touch as a big from 15 feet. And he has legit PF size. Surprisingly, Allen is the off season acquisition that I think will help the team the most over the long haul. In a courtside interview, Thorn said Allen is a player the Nets have been trying to acquire for several seasons precisely because the braintrust felt his game was so complimentary to the pieces they already have. If this practice was any indication, I whole-heartedly agree.</p>
(3) Rober Hite: GREAT stroke. He's small, probably too small to guard anyone but points. But playing alongside Kidd while one of VC or RJ is on the bench, this would work out fine as they could reverse roles defensively. I definitely feel this guy should get a contract and either Ilic or Robinson should be bought out.</p>
(4) Darrel Armstrong was exactly what he's known to be: an energetic, committed defender; a veteran leader in the half court; a decent opportunity shooter; and a tremendously ebullient personality. I feel great about our PG core. While I still expect Marcus will be tremendous this year and to command the role as primary backup when he returns to health, if he struggles, the Nets have an answer.</p>
Biggest disappointment was easily Jamaal Magloire. It's hard to make Jason Collins look athletic, but Magloire managed it. He couldn't finish on a number of good inside passes. Left things short on the rim. No lift or explosion whatsoever. He is supposed to be working diligently on these aspects of his strength and conditioning. Hopefully it improves by the start of the season. There's no way he's unseating Collins, and I can't see how he is anything better than the 4th big into the game (behind Collins, Allen, and Nenad). He should be more worried about getting minutes ahead of Boone, who looked decent today. In fairness to him, I don't recall seeing any postups for him, and that used to be and ostensibly still is the better part of his game. All his opportunities (and there weren't many) came from passes in motion. Given his physical limitations, I'm assuming his best use will be as a situational postup player with a second unit against soft or undersized 2nd unit opposing bigs.</p>
Unfortunately there were no jaw-dropping plays from Sean Williams today of the variety we've heard about. He did have one tremendous defensive recovery to block a shot in the 'no paint' drill. But Frank stopped play to talk about what Sean had done wrong before that point. Sean was easily the player that Frank most often was addressing in this manner, reminding him of a missed assignment or defensive read/reaction. Some of this I'm sure was just because he was the rookie. But unfortunately it probably confirms that we won't see a lot of Williams early in the regular season.</p>
I know a number of people have talked about Jumaine Jones. But based on this practice, he's way behind Hite in my hierarchy.</p>
(1) Boki Nackbar: Great stroke, great running the floor, great drives in the half court, decent defense, looks VERY confident. Seeing as this echoes much of what those who saw the open practice observed and what's been written in the blogs, I predict a huge year for him.</p>
(2) Malik Allen: Not only is he a lock to make the team, I think he's a lock to start, at least until and unless Nenad is back to 100% (which appears to be quite a ways off from what I observed today). He already appears very adept in the team defensive schemes. He runs the floor and is more mobile in the half court than I realized previously. He has an excellent touch as a big from 15 feet. And he has legit PF size. Surprisingly, Allen is the off season acquisition that I think will help the team the most over the long haul. In a courtside interview, Thorn said Allen is a player the Nets have been trying to acquire for several seasons precisely because the braintrust felt his game was so complimentary to the pieces they already have. If this practice was any indication, I whole-heartedly agree.</p>
(3) Rober Hite: GREAT stroke. He's small, probably too small to guard anyone but points. But playing alongside Kidd while one of VC or RJ is on the bench, this would work out fine as they could reverse roles defensively. I definitely feel this guy should get a contract and either Ilic or Robinson should be bought out.</p>
(4) Darrel Armstrong was exactly what he's known to be: an energetic, committed defender; a veteran leader in the half court; a decent opportunity shooter; and a tremendously ebullient personality. I feel great about our PG core. While I still expect Marcus will be tremendous this year and to command the role as primary backup when he returns to health, if he struggles, the Nets have an answer.</p>
Biggest disappointment was easily Jamaal Magloire. It's hard to make Jason Collins look athletic, but Magloire managed it. He couldn't finish on a number of good inside passes. Left things short on the rim. No lift or explosion whatsoever. He is supposed to be working diligently on these aspects of his strength and conditioning. Hopefully it improves by the start of the season. There's no way he's unseating Collins, and I can't see how he is anything better than the 4th big into the game (behind Collins, Allen, and Nenad). He should be more worried about getting minutes ahead of Boone, who looked decent today. In fairness to him, I don't recall seeing any postups for him, and that used to be and ostensibly still is the better part of his game. All his opportunities (and there weren't many) came from passes in motion. Given his physical limitations, I'm assuming his best use will be as a situational postup player with a second unit against soft or undersized 2nd unit opposing bigs.</p>
Unfortunately there were no jaw-dropping plays from Sean Williams today of the variety we've heard about. He did have one tremendous defensive recovery to block a shot in the 'no paint' drill. But Frank stopped play to talk about what Sean had done wrong before that point. Sean was easily the player that Frank most often was addressing in this manner, reminding him of a missed assignment or defensive read/reaction. Some of this I'm sure was just because he was the rookie. But unfortunately it probably confirms that we won't see a lot of Williams early in the regular season.</p>
I know a number of people have talked about Jumaine Jones. But based on this practice, he's way behind Hite in my hierarchy.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Standouts from today's televised practice, in no particular order:</p>
(1) Boki Nackbar: Great stroke, great running the floor, great drives in the half court, decent defense, looks VERY confident. Seeing as this echoes much of what those who saw the open practice observed and what's been written in the blogs, I predict a huge year for him.</p>
(2) Malik Allen: Not only is he a lock to make the team, I think he's a lock to start, at least until and unless Nenad is back to 100% (which appears to be quite a ways off from what I observed today). He already appears very adept in the team defensive schemes. He runs the floor and is more mobile in the half court than I realized previously. He has an excellent touch as a big from 15 feet. And he has legit PF size. Surprisingly, Allen is the off season acquisition that I think will help the team the most over the long haul. In a courtside interview, Thorn said Allen is a player the Nets have been trying to acquire for several seasons precisely because the braintrust felt his game was so complimentary to the pieces they already have. If this practice was any indication, I whole-heartedly agree.</p>
(3) Rober Hite: GREAT stroke. He's small, probably too small to guard anyone but points. But playing alongside Kidd while one of VC or RJ is on the bench, this would work out fine as they could reverse roles defensively. I definitely feel this guy should get a contract and either Ilic or Robinson should be bought out.</p>
(4) Darrel Armstrong was exactly what he's known to be: an energetic, committed defender; a veteran leader in the half court; a decent opportunity shooter; and a tremendously ebullient personality. I feel great about our PG core. While I still expect Marcus will be tremendous this year and to command the role as primary backup when he returns to health, if he struggles, the Nets have an answer.</p>
Biggest disappointment was easily Jamaal Magloire. It's hard to make Jason Collins look athletic, but Magloire managed it. He couldn't finish on a number of good inside passes. Left things short on the rim. No lift or explosion whatsoever. He is supposed to be working diligently on these aspects of his strength and conditioning. Hopefully it improves by the start of the season. There's no way he's unseating Collins, and I can't see how he is anything better than the 4th big into the game (behind Collins, Allen, and Nenad). He should be more worried about getting minutes ahead of Boone, who looked decent today. In fairness to him, I don't recall seeing any postups for him, and that used to be and ostensibly still is the better part of his game. All his opportunities (and there weren't many) came from passes in motion. Given his physical limitations, I'm assuming his best use will be as a situational postup player with a second unit against soft or undersized 2nd unit opposing bigs.</p>
Unfortunately there were no jaw-dropping plays from Sean Williams today of the variety we've heard about. He did have one tremendous defensive recovery to block a shot in the 'no paint' drill. But Frank stopped play to talk about what Sean had done wrong before that point. Sean was easily the player that Frank most often was addressing in this manner, reminding him of a missed assignment or defensive read/reaction. Some of this I'm sure was just because he was the rookie. But unfortunately it probably confirms that we won't see a lot of Williams early in the regular season.</p>
I know a number of people have talked about Jumaine Jones. But based on this practice, he's way behind Hite in my hierarchy.</p>
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Thanks for the summary, excited about Allen, scared about Magloire turning into McInnis. Excited that Frank stops play to teach Williams, if this guy didn't have much chance of contributing this year, Frank will not spend too much time on him. Maybe not from the start but later, hopefully we'll see Williams.</p>
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Standouts from today's televised practice, in no particular order:</p>
(1) Boki Nackbar: Great stroke, great running the floor, great drives in the half court, decent defense, looks VERY confident. Seeing as this echoes much of what those who saw the open practice observed and what's been written in the blogs, I predict a huge year for him.</p>
(2) Malik Allen: Not only is he a lock to make the team, I think he's a lock to start, at least until and unless Nenad is back to 100% (which appears to be quite a ways off from what I observed today). He already appears very adept in the team defensive schemes. He runs the floor and is more mobile in the half court than I realized previously. He has an excellent touch as a big from 15 feet. And he has legit PF size. Surprisingly, Allen is the off season acquisition that I think will help the team the most over the long haul. In a courtside interview, Thorn said Allen is a player the Nets have been trying to acquire for several seasons precisely because the braintrust felt his game was so complimentary to the pieces they already have. If this practice was any indication, I whole-heartedly agree.</p>
(3) Rober Hite: GREAT stroke. He's small, probably too small to guard anyone but points. But playing alongside Kidd while one of VC or RJ is on the bench, this would work out fine as they could reverse roles defensively. I definitely feel this guy should get a contract and either Ilic or Robinson should be bought out.</p>
(4) Darrel Armstrong was exactly what he's known to be: an energetic, committed defender; a veteran leader in the half court; a decent opportunity shooter; and a tremendously ebullient personality. I feel great about our PG core. While I still expect Marcus will be tremendous this year and to command the role as primary backup when he returns to health, if he struggles, the Nets have an answer.</p>
Biggest disappointment was easily Jamaal Magloire. It's hard to make Jason Collins look athletic, but Magloire managed it. He couldn't finish on a number of good inside passes. Left things short on the rim. No lift or explosion whatsoever. He is supposed to be working diligently on these aspects of his strength and conditioning. Hopefully it improves by the start of the season. There's no way he's unseating Collins, and I can't see how he is anything better than the 4th big into the game (behind Collins, Allen, and Nenad). He should be more worried about getting minutes ahead of Boone, who looked decent today. In fairness to him, I don't recall seeing any postups for him, and that used to be and ostensibly still is the better part of his game. All his opportunities (and there weren't many) came from passes in motion. Given his physical limitations, I'm assuming his best use will be as a situational postup player with a second unit against soft or undersized 2nd unit opposing bigs.</p>
Unfortunately there were no jaw-dropping plays from Sean Williams today of the variety we've heard about. He did have one tremendous defensive recovery to block a shot in the 'no paint' drill. But Frank stopped play to talk about what Sean had done wrong before that point. Sean was easily the player that Frank most often was addressing in this manner, reminding him of a missed assignment or defensive read/reaction. Some of this I'm sure was just because he was the rookie. But unfortunately it probably confirms that we won't see a lot of Williams early in the regular season.</p>
I know a number of people have talked about Jumaine Jones. But based on this practice, he's way behind Hite in my hierarchy.</p>
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Thanks for the summary, excited about Allen, scared about Magloire turning into McInnis. Excited that Frank stops play to teach Williams, if this guy didn't have much chance of contributing this year, Frank will not spend too much time on him. Maybe not from the start but later, hopefully we'll see Williams.</p>
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I'm not sure which practice I'm watching, but there's a Nets real training camp on NBA tv now. I just turned it on so my analysis can't be that intensive, but I have noticed the following:</p>
-Either the equipment manager shafted Illic, or the guy naturally sweats pink</p>
-Rod Benson....isn't.....that good.....</p>
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-Malik Allen looks solid. As said above, he knows where to find himself in this offense whether on the break or in our half court offense.</p>
-They're trying to get the ball to Jamaal in the post. None-doing.</p>
-DA looks solid, and he'll give Marcus a run for the 2nd string once he comes back. He's got a nice ability to run the offense and hit the shot when necessary.</p>
-Either the equipment manager shafted Illic, or the guy naturally sweats pink</p>
-Rod Benson....isn't.....that good.....</p>
Edit:</p>
-Malik Allen looks solid. As said above, he knows where to find himself in this offense whether on the break or in our half court offense.</p>
-They're trying to get the ball to Jamaal in the post. None-doing.</p>
-DA looks solid, and he'll give Marcus a run for the 2nd string once he comes back. He's got a nice ability to run the offense and hit the shot when necessary.</p>
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I don't know if today's broadcast was the same as yesterday's either. But from what I saw (about half of it), Boone looked pretty solid. In the first two scrimages, he scored a number of times from up close, and handled the ball on many other posessions.</p>
Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</p>
Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</p>
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Boki is not a starting 4, period. He doesn't have the size or defensive skill set to battle talented 6'10", 240-250 pound guys on the post, especially early in the game when teams (coaches) are generally trying to establish a defensive tone and opponents are trying to establish an inside game. Boone looked pretty good but not as good -- and certainly not as versatile -- as Allen looked IMO.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
I don't know if today's broadcast was the same as yesterday's either. But from what I saw (about half of it), Boone looked pretty solid. In the first two scrimages, he scored a number of times from up close, and handled the ball on many other posessions.</p>
Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</p>
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I'm surprised by you Dumpy. Suggesting Boki at the 4. Bad idea. Really bad.</p>
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I don't know if today's broadcast was the same as yesterday's either. But from what I saw (about half of it), Boone looked pretty solid. In the first two scrimages, he scored a number of times from up close, and handled the ball on many other posessions.</p>
Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</p>
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I'm surprised by you Dumpy. Suggesting Boki at the 4. Bad idea. Really bad.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mynetsforlife)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
I don't know if today's broadcast was the same as yesterday's either. But from what I saw (about half of it), Boone looked pretty solid. In the first two scrimages, he scored a number of times from up close, and handled the ball on many other posessions.</p>
Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</p>
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I'm surprised by you Dumpy. Suggesting Boki at the 4. Bad idea. Really bad.</p>
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Boki will play the 4 this year in certain "small ball" situations, against teams that dont have athletic four's. It might not work against Atlanta, but it could work against LA. And why are you comparing him to huge power forwards. How many teams have huge, athletic bigs coming off the BENCH? That's what we're talking about here...Boki off the bench at the four, not starting.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
I don't know if today's broadcast was the same as yesterday's either. But from what I saw (about half of it), Boone looked pretty solid. In the first two scrimages, he scored a number of times from up close, and handled the ball on many other posessions.</p>
Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</p>
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I'm surprised by you Dumpy. Suggesting Boki at the 4. Bad idea. Really bad.</p>
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Boki will play the 4 this year in certain "small ball" situations, against teams that dont have athletic four's. It might not work against Atlanta, but it could work against LA. And why are you comparing him to huge power forwards. How many teams have huge, athletic bigs coming off the BENCH? That's what we're talking about here...Boki off the bench at the four, not starting.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</div></p>
I meant starting.</p>
I meant starting.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</p>
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This is the quote from Dumpy to which I was responding and which the other poster was contesting. Starting was indeed the issue. I agree with you that there are many situations where Boki could play the 4, including when the opponent goes small (which happens with increasing frequency). But, by and large, he will be overmatched inside against starting 4s.</p>
Besides which, the better he is, the more Frank will love bringing him off the bench as the team's designated offensive spark plug.</p>
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Why wouldn't the Nets start Boone or Boki at the 4 next to Collins to start the season?</p>
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This is the quote from Dumpy to which I was responding and which the other poster was contesting. Starting was indeed the issue. I agree with you that there are many situations where Boki could play the 4, including when the opponent goes small (which happens with increasing frequency). But, by and large, he will be overmatched inside against starting 4s.</p>
Besides which, the better he is, the more Frank will love bringing him off the bench as the team's designated offensive spark plug.</p>
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I haven't seen Malik as being a defensive powerhouse either, though. Still, I'd like to see more practices before I put Malik Allen on a pedestal (of all people), or villifty Jamaal Magloire. The practice that was televised was a bit one sided, as there was more fast break, motion offense, and less opportunities to give Magloire a traditional post-up shot.</p>
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I agree that it would depend on the matchup. Against certain teams, Nachbar would be a fine starting PF. For instance, for a stretch last season Gerald Wallace (listed at 6'7", 220) was Charlotte's starting PF. In fact, that was his most productive stretch of the season, proving not only that a smaller guy can be productive there, but also that there could, in fact, be good matchups for Boki as a starting PF. There's that guy for Phoenix, also. The plusses would be the improved ball movement, the uptempo pace. Also, as I've said before, I'm not entirely sure that it would be the best use of Boki to put him on the court with Nenad. You'd just have too many jump shooters, especially if Vince was on the court as well. If Nenad is coming off the bench, you've got to think of different ways to use Boki.</p>
[incidentally, according to 82games.com, Nachbar was on the court with Krstic for 119 minutes last year, and the Nets were -10 during that time. In comparison, Nachbar was on the court with Collins for 328 minutes, and was a plus-39. Included in that was a plus-13 in 53 minutes when Nachbar was the PF alongside Collins and the big-three. Coincidence?]</p>
[incidentally, according to 82games.com, Nachbar was on the court with Krstic for 119 minutes last year, and the Nets were -10 during that time. In comparison, Nachbar was on the court with Collins for 328 minutes, and was a plus-39. Included in that was a plus-13 in 53 minutes when Nachbar was the PF alongside Collins and the big-three. Coincidence?]</p>
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besides, why is everyone so fixated on matching up with the opposition? We should make THEM try to match up with US. If we play Boki at the 4, it will FORCE them to go small as well, or we'd run them off the court. If the opposition has some big bruising powerhouse PF that is the centerpiece of their offense, let Collins guard him, and start Boone or Allen alongside.</p>
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is there any chance that someone recorded this and can upload it to youtube or something? i dont have nbatv, plus i was at class and its killing me just reading reviews of the telecast. if someone finds the recording of this please post it or pm me the link please!!!!</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
besides, why is everyone so fixated on matching up with the opposition? We should make THEM try to match up with US. If we play Boki at the 4, it will FORCE them to go small as well, or we'd run them off the court. If the opposition has some big bruising powerhouse PF that is the centerpiece of their offense, let Collins guard him, and start Boone or Allen alongside.</p>
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I agree with this to a point. I think breaking conventions can produce great results, but it can also produce disasters, since conventions are usually conventions for a reason. Boki certainly runs the court and finishes well on the break, either at the rim or as a trailer at the 3 point line. But the kind of running you're talking about is mostly keyed by getting stops and rebounds off misses. And against the vast majority of starting 4s, I think Boki would be a matchup that the other team would exploit inside, getting fouls or high percentage shots, neither of which bode well for getting the stops antecedent to prolific fast break basketball.</p>
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besides, why is everyone so fixated on matching up with the opposition? We should make THEM try to match up with US. If we play Boki at the 4, it will FORCE them to go small as well, or we'd run them off the court. If the opposition has some big bruising powerhouse PF that is the centerpiece of their offense, let Collins guard him, and start Boone or Allen alongside.</p>
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I agree with this to a point. I think breaking conventions can produce great results, but it can also produce disasters, since conventions are usually conventions for a reason. Boki certainly runs the court and finishes well on the break, either at the rim or as a trailer at the 3 point line. But the kind of running you're talking about is mostly keyed by getting stops and rebounds off misses. And against the vast majority of starting 4s, I think Boki would be a matchup that the other team would exploit inside, getting fouls or high percentage shots, neither of which bode well for getting the stops antecedent to prolific fast break basketball.</p>
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I'm just happy that we'll be seeing Sean Williams eventually. It sounds like he's too athletic to not get a few minutes here or there.</p>
I'd be pleasantly surprised if Malik Allen ended up being a big contributor for us this year. It sounds like we've really got some depth, 1 to 14 on the roster if we can find a way to keep Hite. And we may finally, finally, FINALLY solve the Jason Kidd Minute Reduction puzzle that's so confounded us for so long.</p>
I bet Kidd's per-minute statistics go through the roof if we can limit him to 32 mpg.</p>
I'm feeling Boki off the bench rather than starting. I wouldn't trust him against Kendrick Perkins, much less Kevin Garnett. We all know Krstic will be starting eventually, and I think Magloire, Boone, Boki and Marcus could be the core of a really, really good running second team.</p>
I'd be pleasantly surprised if Malik Allen ended up being a big contributor for us this year. It sounds like we've really got some depth, 1 to 14 on the roster if we can find a way to keep Hite. And we may finally, finally, FINALLY solve the Jason Kidd Minute Reduction puzzle that's so confounded us for so long.</p>
I bet Kidd's per-minute statistics go through the roof if we can limit him to 32 mpg.</p>
I'm feeling Boki off the bench rather than starting. I wouldn't trust him against Kendrick Perkins, much less Kevin Garnett. We all know Krstic will be starting eventually, and I think Magloire, Boone, Boki and Marcus could be the core of a really, really good running second team.</p>
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Wow, I love this thread, it's getting VERY interesting.</p>
Firstly--thanks for the in-depth analyzing, those 4 players excelling really sounds good...and I really hope we can get Allen AND Hite on this team too.</p>
Although I've been iffy about Allen, I liked him a couple years ago in Miami, but seeing that it seems he wasn't that great in Chi sorta turned me off. I hope he can produce for this team, like you said...and that Hite could be that guy "replacing" House off the bench. I'd much rather have him over an old, unproven (in terms of healthiness and whether or not he could last a whole season) Houston.</p>
And about starting Boki...I'd be against it. Even if Krstic takes it slow and comes off the bench, I'd rather have a unit in that's strong in defense, with at least one big who has some type of offensive skill down low--whether it's posting up, making a close shot, or just hitting a layup/dunking the ball.</p>
With Gerald Wallace and Shawn Marion, though, the two forwards are pretty strong in defense - they're pretty good at defending their man, really good at rebounding, and great at blocking shots and stealing. Boki doesn't really possess any of those skills...and that's a big reason I wouldn't want him starting, when comparing him to those guys.</p>
And to go along with what FOMW was saying, the running game you'd want with Boki wouldn't come with a starting unit consisting of Collins and Boki at the 5 and 4. Neither are good rebounders, shot blockers, or stealers, and Boki isn't a great defender, so it'd be a bit tougher to get the fastbreak going with him at the 4 as opposed to, for example, Magloire, who can rebound and block shots, Josh Boone, who can rebound pretty well and maybe get some blocks, or Allen, who can rebound and block shots, when given some good playing time.</p>
Although it's highly unlikely, in at least one preseason game, I'd like to see Williams start a game, just to see how he'd do along side Kidd, RJ, VC, and Collins. His rebounding, shotblocking, and athleticism could prove to be good in the fastbreak game alongside Kidd and RJ...I'm not sure if he could come in and produce so quickly, but who knows.</p>
Firstly--thanks for the in-depth analyzing, those 4 players excelling really sounds good...and I really hope we can get Allen AND Hite on this team too.</p>
Although I've been iffy about Allen, I liked him a couple years ago in Miami, but seeing that it seems he wasn't that great in Chi sorta turned me off. I hope he can produce for this team, like you said...and that Hite could be that guy "replacing" House off the bench. I'd much rather have him over an old, unproven (in terms of healthiness and whether or not he could last a whole season) Houston.</p>
And about starting Boki...I'd be against it. Even if Krstic takes it slow and comes off the bench, I'd rather have a unit in that's strong in defense, with at least one big who has some type of offensive skill down low--whether it's posting up, making a close shot, or just hitting a layup/dunking the ball.</p>
With Gerald Wallace and Shawn Marion, though, the two forwards are pretty strong in defense - they're pretty good at defending their man, really good at rebounding, and great at blocking shots and stealing. Boki doesn't really possess any of those skills...and that's a big reason I wouldn't want him starting, when comparing him to those guys.</p>
And to go along with what FOMW was saying, the running game you'd want with Boki wouldn't come with a starting unit consisting of Collins and Boki at the 5 and 4. Neither are good rebounders, shot blockers, or stealers, and Boki isn't a great defender, so it'd be a bit tougher to get the fastbreak going with him at the 4 as opposed to, for example, Magloire, who can rebound and block shots, Josh Boone, who can rebound pretty well and maybe get some blocks, or Allen, who can rebound and block shots, when given some good playing time.</p>
Although it's highly unlikely, in at least one preseason game, I'd like to see Williams start a game, just to see how he'd do along side Kidd, RJ, VC, and Collins. His rebounding, shotblocking, and athleticism could prove to be good in the fastbreak game alongside Kidd and RJ...I'm not sure if he could come in and produce so quickly, but who knows.</p>
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Boki looked GREAT yesterday on both ends.
I too was impressed with Allen and I think his signing may be more important than Jamall's
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Wish we saw more Swat Williams in action, but you can tell he has potentional and may get to prove himself earlier in the season than many expect. At least, I hope so.
Boone, for the most part, looked really good, especially coming from a recovering surgery.
Nenad still needs time, but there's no need to rush. Even if he's not 100% on Halloween, I'm fine with that.
DA, like Allen, could be the other key signing this off season. This guy's energy is AMAZING. 39 years old and he's still running around like he's 29. Hit some nice shots, ran the floor, and is a true leader on the court. In my eyes, the perfect backup for Kidd. The combination of Kidd, DA, and Williams is truly a great lineup.
The ball hitting Illic in the head. *sigh* . Him getting instructed more than other players. I'm sorry, but...just get rid of him. please.
Wright looked like he was trying hard, and if he doesn't get discouraged easily, looks like he can step it up a step or two.
RJ looked great. My estimation is that he'll definitly have a better season this year than the past few.
Hite is a better "gamble" than Houston.
sorry for alot of one liners, a bit busy, but those are my quick impressions. a week from today, first pre-season home game, let's do it!!
I too was impressed with Allen and I think his signing may be more important than Jamall's
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Wish we saw more Swat Williams in action, but you can tell he has potentional and may get to prove himself earlier in the season than many expect. At least, I hope so.
Boone, for the most part, looked really good, especially coming from a recovering surgery.
Nenad still needs time, but there's no need to rush. Even if he's not 100% on Halloween, I'm fine with that.
DA, like Allen, could be the other key signing this off season. This guy's energy is AMAZING. 39 years old and he's still running around like he's 29. Hit some nice shots, ran the floor, and is a true leader on the court. In my eyes, the perfect backup for Kidd. The combination of Kidd, DA, and Williams is truly a great lineup.
The ball hitting Illic in the head. *sigh* . Him getting instructed more than other players. I'm sorry, but...just get rid of him. please.
Wright looked like he was trying hard, and if he doesn't get discouraged easily, looks like he can step it up a step or two.
RJ looked great. My estimation is that he'll definitly have a better season this year than the past few.
Hite is a better "gamble" than Houston.
sorry for alot of one liners, a bit busy, but those are my quick impressions. a week from today, first pre-season home game, let's do it!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver)</div><div class='quotemain'>DA, like Allen, could be the other key signing this off season. This guy's energy is AMAZING. 39 years old and he's still running around like he's 29. Hit some nice shots, ran the floor, and is a true leader on the court. In my eyes, the perfect backup for Kidd. The combination of Kidd, DA, and Williams is truly a great lineup.</p>
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Hite is a better "gamble" than Houston.</div></p>
1st of all, I'm so ecstatic about the DA signing. It's amazing how he brings all that energy, and does all that stuff. I can't wait to see him during the season, and I hope he keeps it up.</p>
And I'm surprised to see someone agrees with me on Hite/Houston. Hite has shown he's a good shooter (or at least he hasn't shown me otherwise yet). It's not like he's completely unreliable. To me, he seems like he could turn out to be like Eddie House, which ain't bad.</p>
Plus, I'm not too optimistic about Houston's health, and how his body would hold up the whole season.</p>
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Hite is a better "gamble" than Houston.</div></p>
1st of all, I'm so ecstatic about the DA signing. It's amazing how he brings all that energy, and does all that stuff. I can't wait to see him during the season, and I hope he keeps it up.</p>
And I'm surprised to see someone agrees with me on Hite/Houston. Hite has shown he's a good shooter (or at least he hasn't shown me otherwise yet). It's not like he's completely unreliable. To me, he seems like he could turn out to be like Eddie House, which ain't bad.</p>
Plus, I'm not too optimistic about Houston's health, and how his body would hold up the whole season.</p>
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besides, why is everyone so fixated on matching up with the opposition? We should make THEM try to match up with US. If we play Boki at the 4, it will FORCE them to go small as well, or we'd run them off the court. If the opposition has some big bruising powerhouse PF that is the centerpiece of their offense, let Collins guard him, and start Boone or Allen alongside.</p>
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Hahaha, nice, the Warriors do it. I think it gives the opposition something to prepare for, look at, even if you don't go to all games. IT's just something to use. I mean we have the best fast break PG in the game, why not give us another added advantage. Defensive rules now are laxed to the point where you can play a soft zone. Collins will defend their best offensive post player and Boki will guard the other.</p>
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besides, why is everyone so fixated on matching up with the opposition? We should make THEM try to match up with US. If we play Boki at the 4, it will FORCE them to go small as well, or we'd run them off the court. If the opposition has some big bruising powerhouse PF that is the centerpiece of their offense, let Collins guard him, and start Boone or Allen alongside.</p>
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Hahaha, nice, the Warriors do it. I think it gives the opposition something to prepare for, look at, even if you don't go to all games. IT's just something to use. I mean we have the best fast break PG in the game, why not give us another added advantage. Defensive rules now are laxed to the point where you can play a soft zone. Collins will defend their best offensive post player and Boki will guard the other.</p>
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