Nets should go for Jermaine O'Neal

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I think the big 3 must split up. It's just not working out. 2 wing and a Point Guard doesn't seem to work. See Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter for example. I think Vince Carter may have to be the one that has to go, Jason Kidd and R.J are fastbreak players while VC has been more of a halfcourt player. I think trading VC and other players for Jermaine O'Neal may be just right. Check out this trade

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...p;te=&cash=

this is one idea.
 
And why would Indiana want to do such a trade? They already have an overrated player in O'neal with swelling knees why would they want VC who has similar injuries with a longer contract? Any trade for O'neal will have to include Marcus Williams, and NJ taking Tinsley. Similar to NJ Indiana is only two games behind .500 no major trades are needed yet.
 
it was one idea. Another idea was sending Dunleavy to the Nets with other nets involved in the trade.
 
JON doesn't help the Nets win games. The equation gets even worse when you factor in what the Nets would need to send to Indiana.

This has been a horrible trade idea for months
 
At this point if you make a move, it's to either blow the team up or try and compete with Detriot and Boston.

This trade would accomplish neither.
 
It's strange how you people diss Vince when he has a bad game but you're swinging from his nut sack when he has a good one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Jan 2 2008, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's strange how you people diss Vince when he has a bad game but you're swinging from his nut sack when he has a good one.
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I'd rather be honest with my opinion of each of his games than 'swing from his nut sack' regardless of how he's playing, John.
 
i said make this trade because VC is a halfcourt guy while RJ and Kidd are fast break guys
 
So trade VC because he's a half court guy, for another half court guy in JON? That's some crappy logic.
 
I don't think O'Neal is the answer. He's always injured, not just with freak injuries, but with chronic issues. We'll get a low post presence (yeah, not perfect, but who is) back in Krstic. Krstic combined with SWill and Boone may be pretty darn good. And if that isn't the answer, Krstic can be used as trade bait. But until Krstic gets back, we just don't know. I wouldn't trade Vince, or anyone, unless it was for a deal that definitely makes us better. This team got the 2nd round, and was competitive there, without a starting center. So I'd like to wait and see how we do an actual starting center, arguably one of the best in the Eastern Conference. Plus, we actually play guys who can rebound and block shots now.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 2 2008, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So trade VC because he's a half court guy, for another half court guy in JON? That's some crappy logic.</div>

One's a 6-10 big man, while the other one is a 6-5 2 guard.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Jan 2 2008, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 2 2008, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So trade VC because he's a half court guy, for another half court guy in JON? That's some crappy logic.</div>

One's a 6-10 big man, while the other one is a 6-5 2 guard.
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So? O'Neal is not the type of PF you want if you're a fast break team. Not at all.
 
i never said let JO run and gun. You can run your offense through the post with JO and run your offense through the wing with RJ. It's hard to have 2 superstar wings be ran through. JO can also have his offense be ran through in the halfcourt
 
you are talking in circles.


you said to trade VC for JO because VC is a half court guy, while RJ and Kidd are fast break players.

JO is a half court guy.

that logic makes no sense.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 2 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you are talking in circles.


you said to trade VC for JO because VC is a half court guy, while RJ and Kidd are fast break players.

JO is a half court guy.

that logic makes no sense.</div>
I also said RJ and VC are both wing players and the nets need a low-post scorer. VC is not low-post. and even if JO may not be a fast break player. He is good enough to help you defensively and offensively. the way Kidd and Jefferson would stay the same but Jermaine would help if RJ is cold or having an off-night.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vcTmac24 @ Jan 2 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I also said RJ and VC are both wing players and the nets need a low-post scorer. VC is not low-post. and even if JO may not be a fast break player. He is good enough to help you defensively and offensively. the way Kidd and Jefferson would stay the same but Jermaine would help if RJ is cold or having an off-night.</div>

And that's much better logic than saying:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vcTmac24 @ Jan 2 2008, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i said make this trade because VC is a halfcourt guy while RJ and Kidd are fast break guys</div>


BUT:

Everything you say can be applied to Carter, except the low-post argument.
 
o'neil will not help us. his stats have gone down the past 2-3 years, he gets injured frequently, and he's not that young. won't help us at all. may hurt us, if anything.
 
it's either re-build your team now or go for the championship which is what you should do.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vcTmac24 @ Jan 2 2008, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it's either re-build your team now or go for the championship which is what you should do.</div>


Trading VC for JON isn't going to bring us any closer to a championship.
 
I think if you add O'Neal minus VC, you're getting better balance to your team. When you allow VC to dribble his way for a shot you basically eliminate, JKidd and RJ. It becomes 1-5. When you add O'Neal and watch him back down his defender, the defense may send a double, thus when O'Neal kicks it out, you will have an open shooter, or a drive and dump guy attacking the paint. O'Neal gives us a better balance of an inside outside game.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Jan 2 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think if you add O'Neal minus VC, you're getting better balance to your team. When you allow VC to dribble his way for a shot you basically eliminate, JKidd and RJ. It becomes 1-5. When you add O'Neal and watch him back down his defender, the defense may send a double, thus when O'Neal kicks it out, you will have an open shooter, or a drive and dump guy attacking the paint. O'Neal gives us a better balance of an inside outside game.</div>
yep i agree and that is also my point but you put it in a better way. Nice!
 
Problem with that is if you start O'Neal you're putting the breaks on the progression of two young bigs who have been playing quite well for us; play that has helped turn the team around some what. Also, where is the scoring going to come from once VC goes: Jefferson? He can't be asked to score any more than he is right now. Kidd? Next. Jermaine? Don't kid yourself.
 
Jason Kidd - Jermaine O'Neal pick n rolls that will work out great as well. Sean Williams has been playing great but not the way i think JO will work.
 
O'Neal will get 20 a night, given the looks Kidd will get him. It will be the 20 of the easiest points of his life. For the life of me, VC can't be a catch and shoot guy. He's dumped off so many Kidd setups to either create for another player or create another shot for himself, it isn't even funny. O'Neal will give us better balance than VC does.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Jan 2 2008, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think if you add O'Neal minus VC, you're getting better balance to your team. When you allow VC to dribble his way for a shot you basically eliminate, JKidd and RJ. It becomes 1-5. When you add O'Neal and watch him back down his defender, the defense may send a double, thus when O'Neal kicks it out, you will have an open shooter, or a drive and dump guy attacking the paint. O'Neal gives us a better balance of an inside outside game.</div>
i could not have said it any better myself. this is the same guy who averaged 18/14 or somewhere close to that with one arm in the Celtic series. IMO, he needs a change of scenery, I think he'll do much better playing here, and come on, besides a few bums, if you can finish, Kidd will make life easier for you as a big man.
 
I don’t thing JO would help us go over the top and legitimize our chances of getting to the finals, especially if we would trade one of our big 3 and some fillers for him. It’s not worth the trade.
 
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