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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jkidd @ Jan 3 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don’t thing JO would help us go over the top and legitimize our chances of getting to the finals, especially if we would trade one of our big 3 and some fillers for him. It’s not worth the trade.</div>
in my opinion and i'm also saying what some of the guys on Pardon of the interuption are saying is, the Big 3 are just not working out. They certainly have the talent but something is going on i think it's the fact that Jefferson or Carter aren't working together i think Kidd and Jefferson work together the best so i think it's gotta be VC who goes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vcTmac24 @ Jan 3 2008, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jkidd @ Jan 3 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don’t thing JO would help us go over the top and legitimize our chances of getting to the finals, especially if we would trade one of our big 3 and some fillers for him. It’s not worth the trade.</div>
in my opinion and i'm also saying what some of the guys on Pardon of the interuption are saying is, the Big 3 are just not working out. They certainly have the talent but something is going on i think it's the fact that Jefferson or Carter aren't working together i think Kidd and Jefferson work together the best so i think it's gotta be VC who goes.
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Well, okay. I get what you're saying there (Even though the reference to PTI is quite funny).

Who do you think we could get for Vince that could elevate our team, other than JO?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Jan 3 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vcTmac24 @ Jan 3 2008, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jkidd @ Jan 3 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don’t thing JO would help us go over the top and legitimize our chances of getting to the finals, especially if we would trade one of our big 3 and some fillers for him. It’s not worth the trade.</div>
in my opinion and i'm also saying what some of the guys on Pardon of the interuption are saying is, the Big 3 are just not working out. They certainly have the talent but something is going on i think it's the fact that Jefferson or Carter aren't working together i think Kidd and Jefferson work together the best so i think it's gotta be VC who goes.
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Well, okay. I get what you're saying there (Even though the reference to PTI is quite funny).

Who do you think we could get for Vince that could elevate our team, other than JO?
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maybe Pau Gasol but he's not gonna be traded another player i think VC could be traded for who is a post player is maybe Kenyon Martin if the nuggets are looking to trade him. The 02-03 nets would re-unite pretty much.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vcTmac24 @ Jan 3 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Jan 3 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>

Well, okay. I get what you're saying there (Even though the reference to PTI is quite funny).

Who do you think we could get for Vince that could elevate our team, other than JO?</div>
maybe Pau Gasol but he's not gonna be traded another player i think VC could be traded for who is a post player is maybe Kenyon Martin if the nuggets are looking to trade him. The 02-03 nets would re-unite pretty much.
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Hm. I very much doubt Rod will go for Kenyon at all, especially with the knee problems he's had, and the surgery. So that has prolly a 5% chance of happening.

And I agree with you, Pau Gasol would be very tough to get.

How about Elton Brand, who was mentioned in another thread? Anyone think it's realistically possible to pick him up?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Jan 3 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vcTmac24 @ Jan 3 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Jan 3 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>

Well, okay. I get what you're saying there (Even though the reference to PTI is quite funny).

Who do you think we could get for Vince that could elevate our team, other than JO?</div>
maybe Pau Gasol but he's not gonna be traded another player i think VC could be traded for who is a post player is maybe Kenyon Martin if the nuggets are looking to trade him. The 02-03 nets would re-unite pretty much.
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Hm. I very much doubt Rod will go for Kenyon at all, especially with the knee problems he's had, and the surgery. So that has prolly a 5% chance of happening.

And I agree with you, Pau Gasol would be very tough to get.

How about Elton Brand, who was mentioned in another thread? Anyone think it's realistically possible to pick him up?
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i don't elton because he is the clippers franchise better much. Just like Gasol with Grizzlies
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vcTmac24 @ Jan 3 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i don't elton because he is the clippers franchise better much. Just like Gasol with Grizzlies</div>

Word! like shaq with the lakers
 
well, the nets at best are going to be a second round and out team. you cannot go far without a legit frotncourt and i dont see how this team can be the exception. it's not like we have great shooters either or slashers. this team needs a shakeup or just blow it up or it'll just be another average team thats gets the 16-18th pick in the draft.
 
First of all, I'm tired of all the talk about how the Nets are just a "second round team." Right now the Pistons and Celtics are playing the best ball in the league; losing to one of them is no insult.

Second, while I agree that VC/Kidd are not an optimal match, I think you get the most bang for the buck by trying to add depth instead of a starter. I think that Kidd/Carter/RJ and a frontcourt rotation of Krstic/Williams/Boone could be pretty effective (I'd have Krstic coming off the bench, BTW). I'm not sure how much long-term potential Boone has, but he'll be fine in the role that is set out for him; as I've said since before he was drafted, he makes a better net than he is a player, if you get me. But after that, what does this team have? Marcus Williams, Darryl Armstrong, Antoine Wright, Boki Nachbar, Magloire, Malik Allen, Jason Collins. How many of these guys would even be active if they were on the Pistons? The Celtics? The Spurs? The Suns? The Rockets? The Lakers? Memphis? Minnesota? You get the idea. That's where the improvement has to be. I'd start by dealing Magloire and his expiring contract for a shooter. I'd choose between Nachbar and Antoine and do the same with one of them, depending on whether you prefer all defense-no offense or vice versa. I'd love to ditch Malik Allen, but he is paid so little that you're not going to get anyone good back; besides, if you are able to deal Magloire you probably have to keep him anyway. I'd deal Marcus if there was any market for him, but alas.
 
You know what I find funny? Sure Kidd and Carter aren't the BEST match for eachother like some claim Kidd and Jefferson are BUT Kidd and Carter have shown they can lead this team to the playoffs without RJ, yet Kidd and Jefferson haven't even shown the ability to win a game without Vince since he joined the Nets.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Balla 15 @ Jan 3 2008, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know what I find funny? Sure Kidd and Carter aren't the BEST match for eachother like some claim Kidd and Jefferson are BUT Kidd and Carter have shown they can lead this team to the playoffs without RJ, yet Kidd and Jefferson haven't even shown the ability to win a game without Vince since he joined the Nets.</div>
Another reason is that Frank isn't that good of a coach. He relays everything on Vince Carter, he makes him play Point Guard when it isn't even necessary. Nets need a post player and Jermaine is that guy they need. Jefferson isn't used to being the 1st option but he will be like his stats from the 04-05 season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jan 3 2008, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I'm tired of all the talk about how the Nets are just a "second round team." Right now the Pistons and Celtics are playing the best ball in the league; losing to one of them is no insult.

Second, while I agree that VC/Kidd are not an optimal match, I think you get the most bang for the buck by trying to add depth instead of a starter. I think that Kidd/Carter/RJ and a frontcourt rotation of Krstic/Williams/Boone could be pretty effective (I'd have Krstic coming off the bench, BTW). I'm not sure how much long-term potential Boone has, but he'll be fine in the role that is set out for him; as I've said since before he was drafted, he makes a better net than he is a player, if you get me. But after that, what does this team have? Marcus Williams, Darryl Armstrong, Antoine Wright, Boki Nachbar, Magloire, Malik Allen, Jason Collins. How many of these guys would even be active if they were on the Pistons? The Celtics? The Spurs? The Suns? The Rockets? The Lakers? Memphis? Minnesota? You get the idea. That's where the improvement has to be. I'd start by dealing Magloire and his expiring contract for a shooter. I'd choose between Nachbar and Antoine and do the same with one of them, depending on whether you prefer all defense-no offense or vice versa. I'd love to ditch Malik Allen, but he is paid so little that you're not going to get anyone good back; besides, if you are able to deal Magloire you probably have to keep him anyway. I'd deal Marcus if there was any market for him, but alas.</div>
yeah, teams are gonna take our junk and give us MORE value in return.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 3 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jan 3 2008, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I'm tired of all the talk about how the Nets are just a "second round team." Right now the Pistons and Celtics are playing the best ball in the league; losing to one of them is no insult.

Second, while I agree that VC/Kidd are not an optimal match, I think you get the most bang for the buck by trying to add depth instead of a starter. I think that Kidd/Carter/RJ and a frontcourt rotation of Krstic/Williams/Boone could be pretty effective (I'd have Krstic coming off the bench, BTW). I'm not sure how much long-term potential Boone has, but he'll be fine in the role that is set out for him; as I've said since before he was drafted, he makes a better net than he is a player, if you get me. But after that, what does this team have? Marcus Williams, Darryl Armstrong, Antoine Wright, Boki Nachbar, Magloire, Malik Allen, Jason Collins. How many of these guys would even be active if they were on the Pistons? The Celtics? The Spurs? The Suns? The Rockets? The Lakers? Memphis? Minnesota? You get the idea. That's where the improvement has to be. I'd start by dealing Magloire and his expiring contract for a shooter. I'd choose between Nachbar and Antoine and do the same with one of them, depending on whether you prefer all defense-no offense or vice versa. I'd love to ditch Malik Allen, but he is paid so little that you're not going to get anyone good back; besides, if you are able to deal Magloire you probably have to keep him anyway. I'd deal Marcus if there was any market for him, but alas.</div>
yeah, teams are gonna take our junk and give us MORE value in return.
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Ha. You say that as if it's never happened before.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 3 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jan 3 2008, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I'm tired of all the talk about how the Nets are just a "second round team." Right now the Pistons and Celtics are playing the best ball in the league; losing to one of them is no insult.

Second, while I agree that VC/Kidd are not an optimal match, I think you get the most bang for the buck by trying to add depth instead of a starter. I think that Kidd/Carter/RJ and a frontcourt rotation of Krstic/Williams/Boone could be pretty effective (I'd have Krstic coming off the bench, BTW). I'm not sure how much long-term potential Boone has, but he'll be fine in the role that is set out for him; as I've said since before he was drafted, he makes a better net than he is a player, if you get me. But after that, what does this team have? Marcus Williams, Darryl Armstrong, Antoine Wright, Boki Nachbar, Magloire, Malik Allen, Jason Collins. How many of these guys would even be active if they were on the Pistons? The Celtics? The Spurs? The Suns? The Rockets? The Lakers? Memphis? Minnesota? You get the idea. That's where the improvement has to be. I'd start by dealing Magloire and his expiring contract for a shooter. I'd choose between Nachbar and Antoine and do the same with one of them, depending on whether you prefer all defense-no offense or vice versa. I'd love to ditch Malik Allen, but he is paid so little that you're not going to get anyone good back; besides, if you are able to deal Magloire you probably have to keep him anyway. I'd deal Marcus if there was any market for him, but alas.</div>
yeah, teams are gonna take our junk and give us MORE value in return.
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value is in the eye of the beholder. An average, middling player may not be worth a three-year, $12 million contract to his current team, especially if that team has 14 or 15 players under contract for next year, but could be a huge improvement over the crap we have now--not to mention infinitely better than the sludge Rod Thorn typically signs in the off-season. A team could save $8 million by shipping that sort of guy for Magloire, plus making room for a second-round pick or unsigned or undrafted free agent. Someone like, for example, Rasual Butler, who will make roughly $3.5 million next year and has one additional year on his contract after that. DeShawn Stephenson. Charlie Bell. Willie Green. Those guys are overpaid, and their contracts are too long, but they are better than what we've got right now.
 
Rasual Butler is available, BUT

--he has had an awful year;

--taking on his $3.5 million contract next season would mean the Nets would not be re-signing Nachbar. They're basically the same player.

--He would sit for the rest of the season since Frank doesnt like playing guys who don't understand the Nets system.

The ideal candidate for the Nets would be a backcourt shooter who understands the Nets' system. That won't be Billy Thomas, who has been relegated to being a practice player...and he won't last through Thursday. That's the day all non-guaranteed deals become permanent. (Same goes for Malik Allen and Darrell Armstrong...they can be dumped--or traded in salary dumps--before Monday.)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 5 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rasual Butler is available, BUT

--he has had an awful year;

--taking on his $3.5 million contract next season would mean the Nets would not be re-signing Nachbar. They're basically the same player.

--He would sit for the rest of the season since Frank doesnt like playing guys who don't understand the Nets system.

The ideal candidate for the Nets would be a backcourt shooter who understands the Nets' system. That won't be Billy Thomas, who has been relegated to being a practice player...and he won't last through Thursday. That's the day all non-guaranteed deals become permanent. (Same goes for Malik Allen and Darrell Armstrong...they can be dumped--or traded in salary dumps--before Monday.)</div>

well, you need depth. I foresee either Wright or Nachbar leaving--don't know which--and Butler is probably as good as, if not better than, any free agent the nets would pick up. But you're right about sitting the rest of the season.

Billy Thomas . . . or Robert Hite, perhaps.
 
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