Nets sorting out some trade possibilities for VC

[JE]

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/02/nj_nets_just_13_shopping_days.html

Two agents told us today that the Nets have talked to San Antonio, Cleveland, Chicago, and -- really, one said this, and we don't believe him - Toronto. Interesting choices, none of which fit into your "perfect world" scenario.


Spurs: They are contemplating whether Vince puts them over the top in the West, and the key component to any discussion would be Roger Mason ($3.5M) coming East. But the SA payroll is very top-heavy, so that makes it very complicated: They'd have to pile on some contracts to make it add up, and not even throwing in Bruce Bowen ($4.0) and Michael Finley ($2.5) would accomplish that. Still, at least one side believes some creative accounting can get it done (we doubt the Nets would also be able to land George Hill, a kid they like), though it would obviously involve a body count - probably with Bowen/Fin returning to the Alamo after the Nets cut them.



Cavs: There's always a doable deal with Wally and probably Delonte. But then, Rod and Kiki would never live down the accusation that they handed the Cavs their first title on a silver platter. Can't see it.


Bulls: We still have this fantasy in our little brains that Ben Gordon is getable, even though he'd have to relinquish his Bird Rights - you'd just have to whisper some magic words in the ear of Raymond Brothers (among them: "re-sign" and "cap space"). But. . . .longshot/no shot. Chicago probably hates Carter's contract anyway, as most teams do. We just like it because the Bulls aren't re-signing Ben anyway, and they'd have to include some nice frills (Nocioni, Sefolosha) in the package.

Raps: No clue what this means, unless it's the Nets' way to go all-in for 2010 (VC/Simmons for Jermaine), and give them enough space for two max players. Forget we even mentioned it.

Anyone: Say they get wasted in the next three games, they're sitting at 23-30 at the break, and even if they're only two games out of eighth, they realize this playoff chase is a pipedream. What keeps Ratner from calling Thorn and saying, "salary dump time," given the economy? Unlikely, yes, but it can't be ruled out.

 

[kobe23]

D*mn if San Antonio get him and manage to keep Parker, Manu and Duncan.

 

[The Dream]

i hope he doesn't go to san antonio.......I think they could very well go all the way if they acquire VC.......i hate the fucking spurs.........

 

[Денг Гордон]

As I said in the other thread, Carter only gets traded to the Bulls if Deng was already traded in some other deal (I'd assume for Stoudemire). No way the Nets get Ben Gordon. No chance he would waive his no trade clause.

For the Spurs, it would have to be something like Bowen, Thomas, and Mason Jr. for Carter. It'd have to be a 3 for 1, because the Nets don't have any players on the league minimum that they can use the mininum salary trade exception for.

 

[JE]

I don't think he's going to any of the 4 teams. I don't think he's getting traded at all.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I don't think he's going to any of the 4 teams. I don't think he's getting traded at all.

I do. He is 32 years old, and will be 34 to start off the 2010-2011 season. He has no place with the future of the Nets, and if they get rid of him, they can free themselves of some 2010 obligations.

 

[JE]

I do. He is 32 years old, and will be 34 to start off the 2010-2011 season. He has no place with the future of the Nets, and if they get rid of him, they can free themselves of some 2010 obligations.

Who really wants him?


San Antonio makes no sense.
Toronto isn't doing anything.
Cleveland doesn't need him.
There isn't a realistic match with Chicago.
Miami doesn't need him.
Dallas doesn't need him.


Who's going to take this guy on? You just listed all his beautiful credentials, like his age and the shitload of money he's offered through 2011.

 

[Shogun]

Utah and Jerry Sloan has always seemed like a good match to me

 

[Charles]

I don't see anyway the Nets deal him to Cleveland as that would increase the chances of Lebron resigning w/ the Cavs.

 

[Denny Crane]

Who really wants him?


San Antonio makes no sense.
Toronto isn't doing anything.
Cleveland doesn't need him.
There isn't a realistic match with Chicago.
Miami doesn't need him.
Dallas doesn't need him.


Who's going to take this guy on? You just listed all his beautiful credentials, like his age and the shitload of money he's offered through 2011.

San Antonio is the obvious best destination. Not sure if the contracts / CBA can be worked out.

 

[JE]

San Antonio would be crazy to take him.

 

[Denny Crane]

San Antonio would be crazy to take him.

They're playing the 36 year old Michael Finley 28 MPG. Vince would be a HUUUUGE upgrade for them, and they're basically in the ultimate win-now situation.

 

[JE]

They're playing the 36 year old Michael Finley 28 MPG.

They have both Manu and Bruce Bowen coming off the bench. SG/SF is not a spot of need for them.

Vince would be a HUUUUGE upgrade for them, and they're basically in the ultimate win-now situation.

Vince will ruin the Spurs.

 

[nets1]

well nets fans i hope after tonights game with the magic make you rethink what it be like without vc.

Especially if your thinking of trading him for a bunch of role players and trade fodder. The nets would only trade him for high first round draft picks or young prospects that are really good. He still does have value.

 

[JE]

well nets fans i hope after tonights game with the magic make you rethink what it be like without vc.

Especially if your thinking of trading him for a bunch of role players and trade fodder. The nets would only trade him for high first round draft picks or young prospects that are really good. He still does have value.

As much value as a 32 year old two-guard under contract for three more years can have.

 

[nets1]

As much value as a 32 year old two-guard under contract for three more years can have.

who is also the leading scorer on this team and team leader. You can be a star in this league until your 37 or 38 especially if you have god given talent that still makes you head and shoulders above most nba players at 32. I've seen no indication of VC slowing down this year from last year, and in fact because he is injury free ( ankles) he is playing at even a higher level than last year.

 

[Shapecity]

The Spurs would have to dismantle their roster to acquire Vince or get a third team with cap space involved to pull a 3-way deal off. I think Memphis is the only team left with cap space at just under $7M.

This deal worked using ESPN trade machine.

Nets Incoming

Roger Mason Jr. & Hakim Warrick & Jacques Vaughn

Nets Outgoing

Vince Carter

Memphis Incoming

Bruce Bowen & Kurt Thomas

Memphis Outgoing

Hakim Warrick

Spurs Incoming

Vince Carter

Spurs Outgoing

Bowen, Mason, Thomas, Vaughn

Assuming the Grizzlies also agree to waive Bowen and Thomas so they can re-sign with the Spurs after 30 days.

I think the Nets can do a lot better even if it means dealing Vince to an Eastern Conference team.

 

[JE]

who is also the leading scorer on this team and team leader. You can be a star in this league until your 37 or 38 especially if you have god given talent that still makes you head and shoulders above most nba players at 32. I've seen no indication of VC slowing down this year from last year, and in fact because he is injury free ( ankles) he is playing at even a higher level than last year.

If I had more energy right now, I'd chew you out for completely missing the boat.

 

[xflavioVC15x]

Who wouldn't want him?


San Antonio is best choice.
Toronto would love to get him back.
Cleveland needs him.
There isn't a realistic match with Chicago.
Miami doesn't need him.
Dallas doesn't want to trade with Thorn after the Kidd harris trade.


Who wouldn't to take this guy on? You just listed all his beautiful skills, like his buzzer beaters and the money he's offered through 2011.

Fixed it for

 

[Shapecity]

Actually I was wrong about the Spurs having to dismantle the roster. They can actually sign Robert Horry for the difference, similar to the way the Nets used Keith Van Horn to acquire Devin Harris.

 

[Shogun]

Actually I was wrong about the Spurs having to dismantle the roster. They can actually sign Robert Horry for the difference, similar to the way the Nets used Keith Van Horn to acquire Devin Harris.

I thought that KVH was still technically on the books and with the team thats why he could be used, where as its my understanding that Robert Horry is a FA and after signing cant be traded for 30 days. Maybe Im wrong

 

[JE]

Fixed it for

Someone's a master of the English language. Good job buddy!

 

[Denny Crane]

I thought that KVH was still technically on the books and with the team thats why he could be used, where as its my understanding that Robert Horry is a FA and after signing cant be traded for 30 days. Maybe Im wrong

Sign and Trade is specifically allowed by the CBA.

 

[Shogun]

I completely ignored sign and trade and thought how Maggette couldnt be dealt for sometime, may bad.

 

[xflavioVC15x]

Someone's a master of the English language. Good job buddy!

yeh eye aim ay masturr

 

[¹²³]

Breaking down Vince Carter trade rumors

It's no surprise that New Jersey is considering trading guard Vince Carter, even as he is having a renaissance season among a cast of very young players. Carter is averaging 20.8 points, 5.1 rebounds and 4.9 assists this year, helping take the Nets to the brink of the East's eighth playoff seed. But his contract runs through the 2010-11 season, putting into jeopardy the Nets' plan to be a major free-agent player in the summer of 2010. Thus, New Jersey has been looking to move Carter since last summer.

What's somewhat surprising, though, according to league sources, is that the leading team in the hunt to acquire Carter is one that would not seem to be a natural fit: San Antonio.

"They would have to package a lot of salaries," an Eastern Conference team official said. "But as long as they don't have to give up any of their Big Three (Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker), it seems like that's the most likely spot for Vince."

This would be an atypical move for the Spurs, who are generally conservative with their payroll. Carter is slated to make more than $33 million over the next two seasons. And to get it done, a key to the deal would be Roger Mason Jr., who is averaging 11.9 points and shooting 44.9 percent from the 3-point line. Mason's clutch shooting has been a key for San Antonio this year, and giving him up will be difficult.

The Spurs are certainly not the only team pursuing Carter, though some potential deals have gone dormant lately. It was rumored that Carter could go to Cleveland or Portland, but, as a source close to the situation says, "any chance of those things happening is dead."

If Carter is dealt, he'll probably want to invest in a 10-gallon hat -- if he does not go to San Antonio, he will probably wind up with one of the other two Texas teams. The Mavericks are in the mix, offering Josh Howard and Jerry Stackhouse for Carter and a handful of other players. One source raised an interesting possibility: The Nets still own the rights to forward Bostjan Nachbar, who is averaging 15.4 points per game and shooting 53.3 percent for Dynamo Moscow. His rights could be included in a package.

The Rockets -- trying to rescue a disappointing season -- are interested in Carter, too, and would send Ron Artest's expiring contract to New Jersey.

 

[Black Republican]

je, have fun in haterville

 

[JE]

je, have fun in haterville

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