Rumor Nets still interested in Crabbe

[BonesJones]

Yep, the trade kicker doesn't count as outgoing salary, but counts as incoming salary to the team receiving the player. Which is why, if we want to actually get some cap/luxury tax relief, we need to trade him to a team that is far enough below the cap to absorb his incoming salary + kicker without sending back much, or any salary, in return.

Currently the Nets are about $30 million under the cap, depending on what they decide to do with K.J. Daniel's team option. The could take Crabbe without sending anyone else back in trade, but to they really want to blow 2/3 of their cap room on Allen Crabbe?

BNM

They did last summer

 

[BBert]

Here are some facts about Crabbe's trade kicker that I didn't know: 1. it is not a onetime 15%; it is 15% of all the years left on the contract at the time he is traded.
2. Although the Blazers have to pay the kicker when he is traded, the receiving team takes the cap hit for it! 3. The only good new is that it would be possible for him to waive the kicker.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2017/6/1...nus-kicker-affects-the-portland-trail-blazers

What a fucking horrible contract

 

[BBert]

What a fucking horrible contract

Unless of course you are Allen Crabbe, Superstar

 

[GDiama]

They did last summer

Maybe they expected better progress from him this year.

I think we have to engage in talks with the 76ers. They could use Crabbe's shooting and they are around 100M under the cap.

 

[Minstrel]

They did last summer

They were likely willing to gamble on Crabbe making a big leap forward. He didn't, which changes things, since he's now a year older with another year of experience. Each added year makes a "break through" less likely. At some point, people are going to conclude that he is what he is.

 

[BonesJones]

With each year, Crabbe has less room to burst, his contract is better because there's less years remaining, so its ASB even wash, no?

 

[chzbrgr]

who here really thinks allen crabbe is going to improve at all?

 

[riverman]

They were likely willing to gamble on Crabbe making a big leap forward. He didn't, which changes things, since he's now a year older with another year of experience. Each added year makes a "break through" less likely. At some point, people are going to conclude that he is what he is.

I think the Nets see him as a starter which would boost his numbers on that team. There's also only 3 years left on his toxic contract...each year we pay he becomes more tradeable.

 

[riverman]

who here really thinks allen crabbe is going to improve at all?

shhhh.....there may be Nets lurking

 

[chzbrgr]

shhhh.....there may be Nets lurking

shit

*whispers* we need a code names for these shitty players we have cause you're right we cant just be telling teams how shitty they are before we trade em

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

They did last summer

Except now it would be even worse for them, as his cap hit will be 15% larger than his contract, every year.

 

[BonesJones]

Except now it would be even worse for them, as his cap hit will be 15% larger than his contract, every year.

An extra $2.5M won't mean shit to Brooklyn.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

An extra $2.5M won't mean shit to Brooklyn.

The money maybe won't, but it seems the extra lost cap space might.

 

[BonesJones]

The money maybe won't, but it seems the extra lost cap space might.

Who are they gonna lose out on because of it?

 

[BlayZa]

this trade would't make NO 'right' for over-signing Crabbe at all, if it happens its a 'get out of jail free' card, not some grand strategy.

 

[BonesJones]

this trade would't make NO 'right' for over-signing Crabbe at all, if it happens its a 'get out of jail free' card, not some grand strategy.

If he traded Crabbe for a pick it would.

 

[rotary111]

Teams will be thinking if (Crabbe,etc) played on "their team" they would be much better because our team has such ball dominant guards that they don't get the opportunity they need to succeed...That's what we hope.

 

[dviss1]

Durrrr clouded brain doesn't even make sense durrrr

Lately you've been skirting the line on summa your posts...

 

[chzbrgr]

Lately you've been skirting the line on summa your posts...

cause he steady gettin roasted by my dank memes

 

[dviss1]

this trade would't make NO 'right' for over-signing Crabbe at all, if it happens its a 'get out of jail free' card, not some grand strategy.

1st you draft a 2nd rounder and pay him pennies. That second rounder does get better every year and becomes the elite shooter we wanted him to become but he still has much to improve on other parts of his game. He's offered a ridiculous contract (we should bump the thread to see what folk wanted to keep him and those who wanted to not match BK's offer because hindsight is 20/20 MFs....) that puts us in a situation where we need to make a hard decision. We match in an effort to retain an asset. He shoots a career best 44%.

So you mean to tell me that if he's traded for a first round pick WHILE HELPING US RID OURSELVES OF BUTTERS.... Neil shouldn't get props?

GTFO....

 

[BlayZa]

1st you draft a 2nd rounder and pay him pennies. That second rounder does get better every year and becomes the elite shooter we wanted him to become but he still has much to improve on other parts of his game. He's offered a ridiculous contract (we should bump the thread to see what folk wanted to keep him and those who wanted to not match BK's offer because hindsight is 20/20 MFs....) that puts us in a situation where we need to make a hard decision. We match in an effort to retain an asset. He shoots a career best 44%.

So you mean to tell me that if he's traded for a first round pick WHILE HELPING US RID OURSELVES OF BUTTERS.... Neil shouldn't get props?

GTFO....

its lucky if we can do that, but it wasnt the fuckin plan when resigning crabbe - if you believe he did it with the intention of trading him and another failure of a contract in meyers (which he apparently also believed in) for a just a pick, youre dreaming - the factor of unloading overpaid and failing newly resigned players isn't the 'plan'

it makes him/us lucky, not 'right'.

 

[riverman]

Crabbe dropped the ball after he got his deal...so did Leonard..the organization thought they'd make leaps like CJ did and they just didn't. I'm sure the front office is more disappointed than the fans even are. That shit happens in sports....but it is correctable. Good thing is, Olshey is working the phones and looking at our options...I think we'll make out ok by training camp somehow.

 

[riverman]

I don't get the Turner hate though...when he's healthy the dude is a great defender at multiple positions..I think he's an asset to the team and we haven't really seen him play much with Nurk yet.

 

[RR7]

If Crabbe waived his trade kicker, he's got 2 guaranteed years left on his deal, for a total of 37.8. If he's a starter, getting 16 shots a game, he's likely waiving that last year player option.
I know everyone bags on him for the $$ we spent on him this season, but he was still the #2 shooter in a league desperate for shooters. IMO, he showed a lot of improvement in his offensive game, on cuts to the basket, one dribble pull ups, etc. that he didn't have the previous year. The biggest issue is role.
Other teams can see past the generic stats a lot of fans will look at, and project what he might do in their own system. And not JUST more shots equals more points, but given an actual bigger role, freedom to create, make more mistakes, etc. Role is a huge factor in a player's game that people seem to overlook, and will just look at stats to show improvement.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/harden-talking-with-thunder-turned-down-52m.223488/

It's an extreme example, but a thread here of Harden turning down his extension with the Thunder.

Don't get me wrong I would love to see him in Portland but I don't think James Harden is 1st fiddle material. He's not a player that would put the team on his back and take them to the big dance. Thats what separates a star player from a superstar player.

Just don't think he's a max player.

I know there are alot of Nic haters on here, but I'd love to see one of you geeks do a side by side with those 2.

I agree with not giving Harden a MAX contract.

He's a very good player, but nowhere near a max player. He has a limited skills set.

Even more than that is the way he draws fouls, picking up the dribble with both hands and coming up underneath the defender's hand to create contact. I don't know that he can get away with that much longer as a focus of the offense. The scouts are bound to figure out a way to stop it.

I certainly don't expect Crabbe to be that, by any means. But I also think that taking what he is now, in a small role, and thinking that's all he'll ever be is a little foolish.

 

[riverman]

The way the league is now I understand why guys like Crabbe would want to play in the eastern conference ...so many eastern conference teams need 3 pt shooting and he would start there....if he avg 20 in the east he'd probably even make the allstar team..Crabbe is not ever going to be a 6 man of the year