Rumor Nets still interested in Crabbe

[dviss1]

If you can do AC for 22 or 27 you do it in a heartbeat. That opens up are full, $8M MLE. At 15, you likely take Jackson, who replaces AC, then use the savings to sign a PF like Amir Johnson.

If the Knicks really value Crabbe then I'd be trying to trade AC for O'Quinn+#45, attaching Meyers as well if possible.

No Bones... That sounds too much like logic...

 

[Mediocre Man]

Turner or Crabbe for 22 makes all the sense.

Try to package picks and salary for a high level starter. If not, move a pick and Fabio to NY.

Do over started

 

[chzbrgr]

Olshey has mentioned Crabbe every time the core of his team has been discussed in the past year, right after dame, CJ, and now Nurk. He never mentions Meyers. Doesn't mention Turner either. It could be to drum up interest in Crabbe, but the more realistic scenario is that the team sees and appreciates his value more than some of you on this board do. Thank god.

I thought you said you we're done defending him? This is why we get made fun of as a fan base across the league: we pay mediocre players stupid money then defend them to the death like our own children. AC is a bullshit player to be paying 19 mil per. He cant defend worth shit. Doesnt rebound. Doesnt create for others.

are we supposed to sit here and swoon over a guy who scored 20+ like twice all year when that is all he does?

should have let him walk for nothing last summer.

Stupid fucking blazers

 

[Chris Craig]

Nets get:

Allen Crabbe
Meyers Leonard
Festus Ezeli
15th pick
26th pick

Blazers get:
Jeremy Lin
Trevor Booker
Justin Hamilton
22nd pick

 

[Minstrel]

Remember, (a) it's Paul Allen's money, not yours

But Paul Allen appears (from the various reports suggesting that the Blazers want to cut costs) to value his money sufficiently not to go into luxury tax territory. That's a problem, if you want the Blazers to retain Nurkic. They're right around the tax line right now and Nurkic is due for a huge salary increase next off-season. Clearing space, assuming Allen continues not to want to go into the luxury tax, means opening up space to re-sign Nurkic.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nets get:

Allen Crabbe
Meyers Leonard
Festus Ezeli
15th pick
26th pick

Blazers get:
Jeremy Lin
Trevor Booker
Justin Hamilton
22nd pick

Why give so much?

 

[Chris Craig]

Why give so much?

To get rid of Meyers Leonard. But, if the nets would take less, maybe just one pick, then all the better

 

[ripcityboy]

And just when I thought Turner, Leonard and Crabbe were dancing by the trade table punch bowl in solo dance mode.... a ray of light appears.

 

[Scalma]

Which one of you is Allens accountant?

 

[Trackjack]

Well bottom line is that Crabbe is over paid simple. I said that at the beginning last year and still saying it. Just because we alot of money it doesn't mean you have spend it all. All you got to do is reach the salary cap and not go out to reach the LT. That want Olshey did last year it just not sound business. So yes we do have to trade Crabbe and more likely find suitor for Turner too.

 

[Chris Craig]

Which one of you is Allens accountant?

@JFizzleRaider ?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

But Paul Allen appears (from the various reports suggesting that the Blazers want to cut costs) to value his money sufficiently not to go into luxury tax territory. That's a problem, if you want the Blazers to retain Nurkic. They're right around the tax line right now and Nurkic is due for a huge salary increase next off-season. Clearing space, assuming Allen continues not to want to go into the luxury tax, means opening up space to re-sign Nurkic.

So why'd he sign off on all last Summer's big signings? If he's having buyer's remorse, why does Olshey still have a job?

 

[Chris Craig]

So why'd he sign off on all last Summer's big signings? If he's having buyer's remorse, why does Olshey still have a job?

Because Olshey can talk a fish into living on dry land

 

[Minstrel]

So why'd he sign off on all last Summer's big signings? If he's having buyer's remorse, why does Olshey still have a job?

Because last season, there wasn't a max contract for Nurkic looming. Olshey clearly sold him on "retaining assets" and was careful to stay just under the luxury tax line.

As for why he hasn't been fired--I imagine the acquisition of Nurkic is a significant feather in his cap (as it should be). But I think the "overpay guys because we're over the cap anyway" was a flawed premise in an environment where Allen wasn't willing to go into luxury tax territory, because it tightly constrains your ability to adjust to "finding" a star (as they did with Nurkic) or retaining even other non-star but useful players. If Vonleh, for example, breaks out like some on this forum hope--it'll be a challenge to re-sign him if Allen stays averse to the luxury tax, even in the absence of Nurkic.

 

[Scalma]

Because Olshey can talk a fish into living on dry land

That's how he got Nurkic and a pick for MASON PLUMLEE.

 

[andalusian]

Because Olshey can talk a fish into living on dry land

LMA's play in the playoffs stank like a rotten fish - and NO could not persuade him to live on very wet land.

 

[chzbrgr]

Because Olshey can talk a fish into living on dry land

But not a free agent to come to portland?

 

[chzbrgr]

That's how he got Nurkic and a pick for MASON PLUMLEE.

This is the worst possible argument you could make for NO's competency as a GM. Dude falls ass backwards into a decent acquisition because he put himself into such a bind cap wise he was forced to make a move for a guy who at the time had MAJOR attitude and work ethic problems. There is only one way to spell that Nurkic deal L-U-C-K-Y.

 

[Scalma]

This is the worst possible argument you could make for NO's competency as a GM. Dude falls ass backwards into a decent acquisition because he put himself into such a bind cap wise he was forced to make a move for a guy who at the time had MAJOR attitude and work ethic problems. There is only one way to spell that Nurkic deal L-U-C-K-Y.

And you believe all of this if you are a H-A-T-E-R

 

[chzbrgr]

And you believe all of this if you are a H-A-T-E-R

What is there to believe? This is all factual. Had to trade plums cause we had no cap space to resign him. Nurk was pouting and out of shape when we got him.

If you could just pull your head out of neil's lap for a second you could see what is right in front of you I swear.

 

[Scalma]

What is there to believe? This is all factual. Had to trade plums cause we had no cap space to resign him. Nurk was pouting and out of shape when we got him.

If you could just pull your head out of neil's lap for a second you could see what is right in front of you I swear.

Yeah, totally factual.

 

[Stevenson]

To me, interest from NY and Brooklyn confirms that Olshey was right in re-signing Crabbe (and yes, agreed he is way overpaid.) Let's say we take the 22nd pick for him - at least we get something instead of nothing as we would have had he simply signed with the Nets last year.

But again, Crabbe is a guy who has a very desired NBA skill and will be in the league for at least 10 years, given his contract. You can't say that for most late 1st round picks. He's worth way more than the 22nd pick, and Neil thinks so too obviously, and he does this for a living.

 

[Reep]

To me, interest from NY and Brooklyn confirms that Olshey was right in re-signing Crabbe (and yes, agreed he is way overpaid.) Let's say we take the 22nd pick for him - at least we get something instead of nothing as we would have had he simply signed with the Nets last year.

But again, Crabbe is a guy who has a very desired NBA skill and will be in the league for at least 10 years, given his contract. You can't say that for most late 1st round picks. He's worth way more than the 22nd pick, and Neil thinks so too obviously, and he does this for a living.

I think we need to look at it from the other side. If we had salary flexibility, and needed a young, very good shooter with at least average defensive ability, wouldn't we be all over trading a pick in the 20s for a proven shooter, even with a large contract?

 

[TBpup]

If we were contenders and needed one last shooter piece, I'd consider it. At his salary though for as limited as he has shown so far, and his reluctance to shoot even though he shoots a high percentage, I'd think there would be better options. At that rate, he needs to be a starter and a bigger contributor.

 

[Trackjack]

Paul Allen is just as much of fault than Olshey. He told Olshey to resign these guys at all cost so that what Olshey did. Paul fell in love with these guys that play two years go with theret heart and soul and a team that left it on the floor every night. But he found out last year that some of the players that got over paid stop doing the things they did the previous season. So now those players there going to try to get rid of this off season.

 

[Minstrel]

To me, interest from NY and Brooklyn confirms that Olshey was right in re-signing Crabbe

There hasn't been any reported interest in Crabbe. The article you linked was a writer asking IF the Nets would be interested, or if they consider their offer last year a bullet dodged.

You're confusing this non-report with other reports that the Knicks and Nets are interested in the Blazers' draft picks. Unless I've missed something that you can point to, of course.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's worth way more than the 22nd pick, and Neil thinks so too obviously, and he does this for a living.

Yeah...we don't actually know that to be the case. These random rumors don't qualify as confirmation of anything regarding Olshey's valuation of Crabbe.

 

[Minstrel]

I think we need to look at it from the other side. If we had salary flexibility, and needed a young, very good shooter with at least average defensive ability, wouldn't we be all over trading a pick in the 20s for a proven shooter, even with a large contract?

He doesn't have "at least average defensive ability" though. His size and athleticism seem to make people think he's solid on defense, but neither the eye test nor the stats suggest he's anything more than awful on defense.

 

[Scalma]

He doesn't have "at least average defensive ability" though. His size and athleticism seem to make people think he's solid on defense, but neither the eye test nor the stats suggest he's anything more than awful on defense.

Yet he won Portland multiple games with his defense. Pretty cool for an awful defender.

 

[Minstrel]

Yet he won Portland multiple games with his defense.

Not really, but I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree.