Nets, Suns Talking Draft Day Trade?

[SeanWilliamsTheFuture51]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 21 2008, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 21 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jun 21 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and thinking about it, Barbosa and (presumably) Ford, if they're on the Nets, it really does fit Kiki's statement of "building around Devin" ....man that'd be super quick.</div>

There is no need for Ford if the Nets have Harris and Barbosa. And it's crazy to think about what the team would look like since no one knows whether they will be able to sign Krstic and Diop and whether they would want to sign Nachbar. But remember this, if you trade #10 and RJ for #15, Diaw and Barbosa, you automatically take on $1.5 million more in salary net. Of course, I can also see them trading Williams on draft night as well. No need for him with Barbosa (as well as Diaw who has played some point as can Hodge if he makes the team).
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Think there's any chance of us tricking some team into taking Marcus, possibly for a good 1st rounder? ....Anyone?

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maybe but i think there was a reason why he fell all the way down to the nets in 2007 draft but maybe boston or lakers some one who is looking for a backup pointguard

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 21 2008, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 21 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jun 21 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and thinking about it, Barbosa and (presumably) Ford, if they're on the Nets, it really does fit Kiki's statement of "building around Devin" ....man that'd be super quick.</div>

There is no need for Ford if the Nets have Harris and Barbosa. And it's crazy to think about what the team would look like since no one knows whether they will be able to sign Krstic and Diop and whether they would want to sign Nachbar. But remember this, if you trade #10 and RJ for #15, Diaw and Barbosa, you automatically take on $1.5 million more in salary net. Of course, I can also see them trading Williams on draft night as well. No need for him with Barbosa (as well as Diaw who has played some point as can Hodge if he makes the team).
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Think there's any chance of us tricking some team into taking Marcus, possibly for a good 1st rounder? ....Anyone?

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we have our best chance now, with no points available between Augustin in the lottery and Chalmers in the bottom of the first. I was wondering if maybe Marcus and 40 could get us 20.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jun 21 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 21 2008, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 21 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jun 21 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and thinking about it, Barbosa and (presumably) Ford, if they're on the Nets, it really does fit Kiki's statement of "building around Devin" ....man that'd be super quick.</div>

There is no need for Ford if the Nets have Harris and Barbosa. And it's crazy to think about what the team would look like since no one knows whether they will be able to sign Krstic and Diop and whether they would want to sign Nachbar. But remember this, if you trade #10 and RJ for #15, Diaw and Barbosa, you automatically take on $1.5 million more in salary net. Of course, I can also see them trading Williams on draft night as well. No need for him with Barbosa (as well as Diaw who has played some point as can Hodge if he makes the team).
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Think there's any chance of us tricking some team into taking Marcus, possibly for a good 1st rounder? ....Anyone?

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we have our best chance now, with no points available between Augustin in the lottery and Chalmers in the bottom of the first. I was wondering if maybe Marcus and 40 could get us 20.
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Ah, great point. This is the shittiest PG draft in a while. Probably since Marcus's draft...

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 21 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jun 21 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 21 2008, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 21 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jun 21 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and thinking about it, Barbosa and (presumably) Ford, if they're on the Nets, it really does fit Kiki's statement of "building around Devin" ....man that'd be super quick.</div>

There is no need for Ford if the Nets have Harris and Barbosa. And it's crazy to think about what the team would look like since no one knows whether they will be able to sign Krstic and Diop and whether they would want to sign Nachbar. But remember this, if you trade #10 and RJ for #15, Diaw and Barbosa, you automatically take on $1.5 million more in salary net. Of course, I can also see them trading Williams on draft night as well. No need for him with Barbosa (as well as Diaw who has played some point as can Hodge if he makes the team).
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Think there's any chance of us tricking some team into taking Marcus, possibly for a good 1st rounder? ....Anyone?

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we have our best chance now, with no points available between Augustin in the lottery and Chalmers in the bottom of the first. I was wondering if maybe Marcus and 40 could get us 20.
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Ah, great point. This is the shittiest PG draft in a while. Probably since Marcus's draft...

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(1) Take another look at the 2006 draft. Bitch all you want about Marcus, but from about pick eight to the end of the first round, pretty much no one has contributed anything (Rondo being the exception . . . and Boone to a degree). Marcus may suck, but in retrospect you can't argue that he was a bad pick . . . or that he shouldn't have gone higher.

(2) It IS a terrible draft for points, so a team like the Clippers may be interested in Marcus. In 2006, at least there was depth at the position--7 or 8 were selected in the first round, as opposed to this year, where just three are projected to go, if you don't count Westbrook or Gordon. That said, dealing Marcus would leave the NETS with just one point--what do you propose they do?

 

[User01]

wait, did anyone watch the video? I just did, and it didn't really connect the Suns and Nets, just talked about both. It did say Phoenix wanted to move up, but never mentioned the Nets pick at all. Mentioned RJ was generating interest from teams. So while there are a few reports, that if you connect them, could come up with this, this was never specifically mentioned as even discussed, never mind thought about on both sides.

 

[soul driver]

perhaps they would have Hodge, VC, or Barbosa do some point too. hmm..

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 21 2008, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That said, dealing Marcus would leave the NETS with just one point--what do you propose they do?</div>
Hopefully take Westbrook at #10 (this team needs a combo not a true point) and then pick up a vet free agent like Anthony Johnson to help Westbrook along.

Whether they get Westbrook or not I think a player like Johnson needs to be signed. Realisticly Harris is young and is going to play 38 to 40 mpg anyway. That's why the team needs a combo. Always has... even with Kidd.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jun 21 2008, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wait, did anyone watch the video? I just did, and it didn't really connect the Suns and Nets, just talked about both. It did say Phoenix wanted to move up, but never mentioned the Nets pick at all. Mentioned RJ was generating interest from teams. So while there are a few reports, that if you connect them, could come up with this, this was never specifically mentioned as even discussed, never mind thought about on both sides.</div>
You are absoluetely correct. And the video also says that the sole reason the Nets want to trade Jefferson is to get under the cap in 2010. This trade with the Suns does not do that at all.

Netsdaily seems to be connecting a lot of dots on a story where the only true report of a possible trade between the Nets and Suns was the D'Alessandro one where he himself blows it off as "nonsensical".

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Since the season ended, any Suns deal figured to include Leandro Barbosa or Boris Diaw. Consideration for such moves has accelerated and cooled in recent weeks but remains a possibility with Phoenix looking to move up in Thursday's draft order or acquire another first-round pick to go with its No. 15 selection.

With Barbosa, the talks of most substance have been with Portland and New York. A Portland deal would have sent 21-year-old swingman Martell Webster, next week's No. 13 pick and another piece for Barbosa.

A Diaw trade possibility involved Toronto, where talk centered on Diaw leaving for point guard T.J. Ford and the Raptors' No. 17 pick in Thursday's draft. Talks cooled but might reignite with Terry Porter aboard. In Porter's first season as Milwaukee's head coach, Ford helped the Bucks to a 41-41 playoff season.</div>

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/s...snotes0620.html

No mention of the Nets there at all.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 21 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On that note, I've gotten the distinct sense that some teams seem to use Jonathan Givony to spread misinformation. Maybe it is because he is not a "real" journalist, or maybe it is because they see him as an impressionistic kid who will believe and print anything, and that other teams are guarrateed to read it.

But whenever I see a "scoop" on DX along the lines of "a source within team A tells us that they are leaning towards taking player X," and no other news outlet has gotten the same info, I am very, very skeptical and I immediately wonder if they are being used.</div>

You heap smart. I agree with you. He was SURE the Nets were going to take Jordan. POSITIVE. I believe the Jordan-to-Nets idea was pushed by his agent...and that the Nets never bought into it.

(And there are only three days left for you to revise you dumpy does the mocks, which you can find at http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=455)

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 22 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 21 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On that note, I've gotten the distinct sense that some teams seem to use Jonathan Givony to spread misinformation. Maybe it is because he is not a "real" journalist, or maybe it is because they see him as an impressionistic kid who will believe and print anything, and that other teams are guarrateed to read it.

But whenever I see a "scoop" on DX along the lines of "a source within team A tells us that they are leaning towards taking player X," and no other news outlet has gotten the same info, I am very, very skeptical and I immediately wonder if they are being used.</div>

You heap smart. I agree with you. He was SURE the Nets were going to take Jordan. POSITIVE. I believe the Jordan-to-Nets idea was pushed by his agent...and that the Nets never bought into it.

(And there are only three days left for you to revise you dumpy does the mocks, which you can find at http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=455)
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ha, I'll look it over. There's still that key question that we don't know the answer to: Who, exactly, is calling the shots? For instance, Eric Gordon is the antithesis of a Nets pick--a freshman, short, terrible shot selection, turnover prone, doesn't share the ball, has a reputation for below-average defense. If they take him, it'll be a sign that Kiki is now wearing the pants in the front office.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 22 2008, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 22 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 21 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On that note, I've gotten the distinct sense that some teams seem to use Jonathan Givony to spread misinformation. Maybe it is because he is not a "real" journalist, or maybe it is because they see him as an impressionistic kid who will believe and print anything, and that other teams are guarrateed to read it.

But whenever I see a "scoop" on DX along the lines of "a source within team A tells us that they are leaning towards taking player X," and no other news outlet has gotten the same info, I am very, very skeptical and I immediately wonder if they are being used.</div>

You heap smart. I agree with you. He was SURE the Nets were going to take Jordan. POSITIVE. I believe the Jordan-to-Nets idea was pushed by his agent...and that the Nets never bought into it.

(And there are only three days left for you to revise you dumpy does the mocks, which you can find at http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=455)
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ha, I'll look it over. There's still that key question that we don't know the answer to: Who, exactly, is calling the shots? For instance, Eric Gordon is the antithesis of a Nets pick--a freshman, short, terrible shot selection, turnover prone, doesn't share the ball, has a reputation for below-average defense. If they take him, it'll be a sign that Kiki is now wearing the pants in the front office.
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This is the Nets we're talking about. Nobody should be wearing pants.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 22 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 22 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 21 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On that note, I've gotten the distinct sense that some teams seem to use Jonathan Givony to spread misinformation. Maybe it is because he is not a "real" journalist, or maybe it is because they see him as an impressionistic kid who will believe and print anything, and that other teams are guarrateed to read it.

But whenever I see a "scoop" on DX along the lines of "a source within team A tells us that they are leaning towards taking player X," and no other news outlet has gotten the same info, I am very, very skeptical and I immediately wonder if they are being used.</div>

You heap smart. I agree with you. He was SURE the Nets were going to take Jordan. POSITIVE. I believe the Jordan-to-Nets idea was pushed by his agent...and that the Nets never bought into it.

(And there are only three days left for you to revise you dumpy does the mocks, which you can find at http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=455)
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ha, I'll look it over. There's still that key question that we don't know the answer to: Who, exactly, is calling the shots? For instance, Eric Gordon is the antithesis of a Nets pick--a freshman, short, terrible shot selection, turnover prone, doesn't share the ball, has a reputation for below-average defense. If they take him, it'll be a sign that Kiki is now wearing the pants in the front office.
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Rod is still calling the shots. He has been at every workout, from what I can tell, flew to Orlando for PreDraft, went to Philly for the Ryan Anderson workout, and will be meeting with the press on the draft (alone) this week. That's not to say there won't be a higher priority put on certain things because of Kiki, but Kiki defers to Rod. And dont forget Frank's input. He has been there as well. Saw a picture on the Maccabi Tel Aviv site of Casspi watching the workout. Frank was standing next to him in a suit...it was Sunday. I think your analysis still mostly holds (and I note you predicted Gallinari if the Nets got a high lottery pick).

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 22 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 22 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 22 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 21 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On that note, I've gotten the distinct sense that some teams seem to use Jonathan Givony to spread misinformation. Maybe it is because he is not a "real" journalist, or maybe it is because they see him as an impressionistic kid who will believe and print anything, and that other teams are guarrateed to read it.

But whenever I see a "scoop" on DX along the lines of "a source within team A tells us that they are leaning towards taking player X," and no other news outlet has gotten the same info, I am very, very skeptical and I immediately wonder if they are being used.</div>

You heap smart. I agree with you. He was SURE the Nets were going to take Jordan. POSITIVE. I believe the Jordan-to-Nets idea was pushed by his agent...and that the Nets never bought into it.

(And there are only three days left for you to revise you dumpy does the mocks, which you can find at http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=455)
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ha, I'll look it over. There's still that key question that we don't know the answer to: Who, exactly, is calling the shots? For instance, Eric Gordon is the antithesis of a Nets pick--a freshman, short, terrible shot selection, turnover prone, doesn't share the ball, has a reputation for below-average defense. If they take him, it'll be a sign that Kiki is now wearing the pants in the front office.
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Rod is still calling the shots. He has been at every workout, from what I can tell, flew to Orlando for PreDraft, went to Philly for the Ryan Anderson workout, and will be meeting with the press on the draft (alone) this week. That's not to say there won't be a higher priority put on certain things because of Kiki, but Kiki defers to Rod. And dont forget Frank's input. He has been there as well. Saw a picture on the Maccabi Tel Aviv site of Casspi watching the workout. Frank was standing next to him in a suit...it was Sunday. I think your analysis still mostly holds (and I note you predicted Gallinari if the Nets got a high lottery pick).
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. . . you added Gallinari with your edits. I had never heard of him at that point! Nor did I think that the Nets would miss the playoffs . . .

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 22 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>. . . you added Gallinari with your edits. I had never heard of him at that point! Nor did I think that the Nets would miss the playoffs . . .</div>

don't take that the wrong way; I welcomed your input. You clearly were prescient.

At the time I didn't have a good handle on the relative skills of the players expected to participate in the draft. However, even then it was clear that many of them would be college freshman, which, as noted, would be a first for the Nets. One reason Westbrook stood out was the fact that he was a rare sophmore, came from a large, strong program, and was noted for his defense--attributes that have been important in the past.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 22 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 22 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>. . . you added Gallinari with your edits. I had never heard of him at that point! Nor did I think that the Nets would miss the playoffs . . .</div>

don't take that the wrong way; I welcomed your input. You clearly were prescient.

At the time I didn't have a good handle on the relative skills of the players expected to participate in the draft. However, even then it was clear that many of them would be college freshman, which, as noted, would be a first for the Nets. One reason Westbrook stood out was the fact that he was a rare sophmore, came from a large, strong program, and was noted for his defense--attributes that have been important in the past.
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