Nets to sign G.Wallace to a 4yr/$40m deal?!?!

[Nikolokolus]

Good for Gerald, but Chrissakes ... that's one seriously stupid deal.

 

[PapaG]

I want to be a part of it, New York, New York
I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps
To find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap
These little town blues
Are melting away
I'll make a brand new start of it
In old New York
If I can make it there
I'll make it anywhere
New York, New York.

Brooklyn isn't really "New York", though. Same deal as playing in New Jersey, basically. Manhattan is NYC, as far as being a cosmopolitan city, and the greatest city in the world.

Brooklyn is Brooklyn, and not the "city", in terms of the NYC thought process. If you're not in the "city", you may as well be on Long Island or New Jersey. Or hell, even in Queens.

 

[KingSpeed]

Brooklyn isn't really "New York", though. Same deal as playing in New Jersey, basically. Manhattan is NYC, as far as being a cosmopolitan city, and the greatest city in the world.

Brooklyn is Brooklyn, and not the "city", in terms of the NYC thought process. If you're not in the "city", you may as well be on Long Island or New Jersey. Or hell, even in Queens.

Except I can take the subway to Brooklyn. Had to take the bus to go to NJ games.

 

[PapaG]

Except I can take the subway to Brooklyn. Had to take the bus to go to NJ games.

True, but is Gerald Wallace going to take the subway from Manhattan to Brooklyn for games?

 

[Rhal]

Maybe Dwill is going to get a ton of money under the table. Its been tossed around a lot but it could actually happen with overseas accounts.

 

[jlprk]

You guys haven't mentioned

1) Wallace is a much better player than Batum. It was no contest as to who should start here. They have opposite oncourt personalities, alpha male vs the kid hiding in the corners hoping not to be seen. After all these years of Batum in the NBA, it's too hopeful to think he'll become as good as Wallace, even the one of the present, much less the Wallace in his prime.

2) The Nets got Wallace because Orlando likes him. The 2 teams have discussed the Howard trade ad nauseum. To lowball Wallace now would be to abandon their Howard hopes, and to have sacrificed the #6 pick for nothing.

 

[bigbailes]

That's just what you want a 30-year-old alpha male that doesn't realize he's broken down and has no jump shot to speak of. That's a lot of coin for a guy that can't play like he use to and has shown no ability to alter his game to this point. I loved GW and wanted in Portland for a long time, but everyone knows guys with his game tend to age very quickly and we saw that before our eyes here. I shutter to think what his game will be 3 years from now.

 

[Natebishop3]

I was one of the guys who was ecstatic to get Wallace on our team, but last season was a huge disappointment and it's pretty obvious that he has fallen off quite a bit in the last few years. Pretty sad because he was one of my favorite non-Blazers for a long time. I loved his hustle and style of play.

 

[Blazinaway]

Wallace was awful last yr, kept chucking up 3 ptrs and missin, like the guy but age has caught up, 4 yrs 10 mil IMO is a bad contract

 

[magnifier661]

You guys haven't mentioned

1) Wallace is a much better player than Batum. It was no contest as to who should start here. They have opposite oncourt personalities, alpha male vs the kid hiding in the corners hoping not to be seen. After all these years of Batum in the NBA, it's too hopeful to think he'll become as good as Wallace, even the one of the present, much less the Wallace in his prime.

2) The Nets got Wallace because Orlando likes him. The 2 teams have discussed the Howard trade ad nauseum. To lowball Wallace now would be to abandon their Howard hopes, and to have sacrificed the #6 pick for nothing.

This is exactly what I'm thinking too. I suspect they are going to try and toss Wallace, pick and Lopez for Howard. That maybe the way they can keep Deron Williams too.

 

[Ed O]

I don't think that it's that unlikely that Wallace is a better player than Batum over the next four years. I think that Wallace is better right now, and while there's a chance that Batum gets better and Wallace gets worse, neither of those are certainties.

It's a lot of money, for sure, but if the Nets can fill up the roster around him, DWill and Lopez they can be pretty good.

Ed O.

 

[jlprk]

That's just what you want a 30-year-old alpha male that doesn't realize he's broken down and has no jump shot to speak of. That's a lot of coin for a guy that can't play like he use to and has shown no ability to alter his game to this point. I loved GW and wanted in Portland for a long time, but everyone knows guys with his game tend to age very quickly and we saw that before our eyes here. I shutter to think what his game will be 3 years from now.

Shutter your windows because he'll be down to Batum-level by then. Couldn't alter his game? Are you aware he is a PF who had to play SF because of Aldridge, and still knocked the socks off of Batum, a natural SF?

Wallace was awful last yr, kept chucking up 3 ptrs and missin, like the guy but age has caught up, 4 yrs 10 mil IMO is a bad contract

A PF pretending to be a SF in McMillan's system, a system in which only the center is allowed to play inside, and in which there are no plays to score inside.

 

[PapaG]

A PF pretending to be a SF in McMillan's system, a system in which only the center is allowed to play inside, and in which there are no plays to score inside.

Wallace played the vast majority of his minutes at SF while on the Bobcats. I suppose that was Nate's fault too.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09CHA11.HTM#bypos

http://www.82games.com/0607/06CHA9C.HTM

 

[MickZagger]

Wallace played the vast majority of his minutes at SF while on the Bobcats. I suppose that was Nate's fault too.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09CHA11.HTM#bypos

http://www.82games.com/0607/06CHA9C.HTM

Pointing towards the Bobcats coaching philosphies to support your argument doesn't really help the cause any.

 

[PapaG]

Pointing towards the Bobcats coaching philosphies to support your argument doesn't really help the cause any.

I was pointing out facts, and Wallace was an All-Star in Charlotte at SF. I don't have an argument, other than showing yet again that jlprk has limited knowledge of the game, and is best served sticking to bashing Nate, Roy, LMA, and whoever else pops into his mind.

 

[PapaG]

Hmm ... looks like Nate played Wallace at PF a ton in 2010-11.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10POR11.HTM#bypos

Nate played Wallace quite a bit at PF in 2011-12, too.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11POR10.HTM#bypos

 

[PapaG]

The Nets split Wallace between SF and PF at about a 50/50 rate.

 

[jlprk]

Wallace played the vast majority of his minutes at SF while on the Bobcats. I suppose that was Nate's fault too.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09CHA11.HTM#bypos

http://www.82games.com/0607/06CHA9C.HTM

I said he's a natural PF who played SF for us, and Batum was no competition. Please quote where I said that most of his Charlotte minutes were at PF.

Good old 82games. You can always cite that site to confuse everyone. So you carefully chose a year, 2006-07, in which he played 13 / (13 + 39 + 12) = 20% of his season minutes at SG. Sure he did.

 

[jlprk]

You guys haven't mentioned

1) Wallace is a much better player than Batum. It was no contest as to who should start here. They have opposite oncourt personalities, alpha male vs the kid hiding in the corners hoping not to be seen. After all these years of Batum in the NBA, it's too hopeful to think he'll become as good as Wallace, even the one of the present, much less the Wallace in his prime.

2) The Nets got Wallace because Orlando likes him. The 2 teams have discussed the Howard trade ad nauseum. To lowball Wallace now would be to abandon their Howard hopes, and to have sacrificed the #6 pick for nothing.

Summary: 1) Wallace is better than Batum, so why wouldn't he make $10M, when Batum will get $12M? 2) In their many Howard trade talks, Orlando told Brooklyn they desire Wallace, so Brooklyn overpaid us for him. I read that in national articles at the time we traded Wallace. Why would Brooklyn now give up on Howard by lowballing Wallace and losing him?

 

[STOMP]

Good for Gerald, but Chrissakes ... that's one seriously stupid deal.

I don't know about that. Gerald did sustain an injury last season to his shooting hand that seemed to hinder his shooting... go figure. Maybe age and collective injuries take their toll, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him justify that sort of $

STOMP

 

[bigbailes]

Batum, like all young players, is making his $$$ on potential. That's the way it goes in this league, you're paid more for what they hope you can do then what you've proven to do. I don't think most people consider GW a PF, at best he's a stretch 4, but to say that's his natural position would be wrong imo. Most PF's aren't 6'7" and 220 lbs. He's a slashing 3 that also plays in the post because his jumper is broken. I like GW, but his best years are well behind him and in this day and age 10 mil is a lot for him.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I don't know about that. Gerald did sustain an injury last season to his shooting hand that seemed to hinder his shooting... go figure. Maybe age and collective injuries take their toll, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him justify that sort of $

STOMP

It's an unholy combination of a couple of things that I think make it a terrible deal. 1. Mileage -- Wallace has played an aggressive, super physical brand of basketball for a long time and sacrificed his body. 2. Skillset -- Super aggressive, high flyers without a consistent jumper have not typically aged well when their legs go around 30.

I find it incredibly unlikely that he'll be able to justify this kind of money in another year ... and I think last season's inconsistency and inability to finish was the proverbial canary in a coal mine.