New Afgahn Exit Strategy- Stay Forever

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war makes enemies, enemies make war

 

[Denny Crane]

Carter created all those organizations, huh. And he, not the CIA, created the Shah and massive legal torture in Iranian law, causing the revolution and Soviet invasion next door. Yep.

The CIA may have done those things, but Carter made the whole nation our enemy for decades that followed the revolution. The soviets perceived weakness and took advantage of the fool in the oval office.

 

[jlprk]

The CIA may have done those things, but Carter made the whole nation our enemy for decades that followed the revolution. The soviets perceived weakness and took advantage of the fool in the oval office.

Nope, as I said, Carter didn't install the Shah and then train SAVAK. You guys did long before he came out of Georgia.

 

[Denny Crane]

Nope, as I said, Carter didn't install the Shah and then train SAVAK. You guys did long before he came out of Georgia.

 

[jlprk]

1. You proved that they met in the late 70s.

2. You were trying to prove that Carter installed the Shah in the early 50s, created SAVAK, and created a reign of terror.

3. You failed miserably.

 

[Denny Crane]

He kissed the shah's ass. And wiped it for him when he took a shit.

The people of Iran hated him and us for it ever since.

If I could find those pictures, which were public and in the papers, so could the Iranian people.

 

[jlprk]

Now I understand the theory you think you proved. Iranians were content to be tortured for 20 years, but then they saw pictures of Carter meeting the Shah, so they overthrew the Shah.

Darn that Carter. Why didn't he send the photographer outside to get more pictures of Socks or whoever his dog was.

 

[Denny Crane]

Now I understand the theory you think you proved. Iranians were content to be tortured for 20 years, but then they saw pictures of Carter meeting the Shah, so they overthrew the Shah.

Darn that Carter. Why didn't he send the photographer outside to get more pictures of Socks or whoever his dog was.

No.

They overthrew the Shah, regardless of what Carter wanted.

It's how Carter acted after the revolution that mattered.

There's a reason the students took our people hostage.

 

[Paxil]

I am disappointed we are considering this... especially when Obama specifically said our combat troops would be out in 2014. Does it make sense to leave a small force there? Maybe, but I think it is pretty weak to say the combat mission is over, then still leave troops there to train and work with or support Afghan troops.

 

[jlprk]

No.

They overthrew the Shah, regardless of what Carter wanted.

It's how Carter acted after the revolution that mattered.

There's a reason the students took our people hostage.

Continuing my quest to guess at what it is you're hinting...

So you're saying that in the midst of revolution against torture by SAVAK, which the U.S. had trained and Iranians knew it, Carter should have attacked. Iran is 3 times as big as Iraq. A war with Iran beginning in 1979 would be finishing about now, caused by our national bankruptcy.

 

[Denny Crane]

Continuing my quest to guess at what it is you're hinting...

So you're saying that in the midst of revolution against torture by SAVAK, which the U.S. had trained and Iranians knew it, Carter should have attacked. Iran is 3 times as big as Iraq. A war with Iran beginning in 1979 would be finishing about now, caused by our national bankruptcy.

Who says Carter should have attacked?

He shouldn't have wiped the Shah's ass, thus condoning those things you blame on the CIA.

It wasn't random that the students stormed our embassy. There was action by the worst president in modern times that triggered that response.