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You mean like all the words spoken by kevin long in his book?


...don't know what Long has to with Pentland assuming things before the season has even started, but since you brought him up, you mean the same Kevin Long who was snapped up by the Mets 2 weeks after the Yanx basically blamed the 2014 Yankees offense on Long?...that Kevin Long?

...and if you read the first paragraph in your article, even Pentland acknowledges that he's "got a long road ahead of him in replacing Kevin Long".
 
We all agree a "batting coach" is usually NOT the difference in a team's chances of winning a WS ......yeesh.

But if ever a team chose to replace its batting coach, the Yankees have about as much justification as any other team.

Yankee team:

2013-
10th out of 15 in Runs scored
12th out of 15 in OPB
12th out of 15 in BA

2014-
13th out of 15 in Runs scored
14th out of 15 in OBP
11th out of 15 in BA

Now can we get over poor little Kevin Long's dismissal?
Don't worry, he won't be applying for Public Assistance any time soon.

Are you related to this guy? lmao
 
...don't know what Long has to with Pentland assuming things before the season has even started, but since you brought him up, you mean the same Kevin Long who was snapped up by the Mets 2 weeks after the Yanx basically blamed the 2014 Yankees offense on Long?...that Kevin Long?

...and if you read the first paragraph in your article, even Pentland acknowledges that he's "got a long road ahead of him in replacing Kevin Long".


Obviously Pentland is being a gentleman and is acknowledging Long's tenure.
Yeesh, are you serious? Cut it out, you're better than this.


And as far as the Mets snapping Long up, lol.....really.....?.....are we now deferring to the Mets? Really? This is a major coup? Shocking.



See ➡ public relations dept
 
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^^^huh?, I'm " better than" what?

...I made a simple comment about the Pentland article being little more than "talk". ST has not even begun yet, yet the new guy is talking in generalities even though he has spent 0 minutes working with the Yankee hitters. Again, the article was about nothing really, and it didn't shed any light on anything we didn't already know.
...You then decided to interject Kevin Long and some fucking book as if either has some sort of relevance...which brings us to the present.
 
^^^huh?, I'm " better than" what?

...I made a simple comment about the Pentland article being little more than "talk". ST has not even begun yet, yet the new guy is talking in generalities even though he has spent 0 minutes working with the Yankee hitters. Again, the article was about nothing really, and it didn't shed any light on anything we didn't already know.
...You then decided to interject Kevin Long and some fucking book as if either has some sort of relevance...which brings us to the present.


http://web.yesnetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150115&content_id=106522898&oid=36019
 
...^^^ yeah, I saw it the first time...your point is....?
 
To the OP Thread: He instructs and can talk too...? Wow...!!! :blahblah:

I don't want to compare apples with oranges, but I'm sure as Hell going to anyway......:trampoline:

If Pentland was so damned good, then why did the Bums off him for McGwire (who IMO would not be my choice at all for a Hitting Coach).....:devilwink:

The last Bums offing, the Yanx acquired was Cappy aka Crapuano. I have nothing against Cappy, other than He's not quit the finesse pitcher I expected. He's on one inning, and getting hit all over the park the next....He should of retired a couple years ago........IMHO.......:pokecrap:
 
If Pentland was so damned good, then why did the Bums off him for McGwire (who IMO would not be my choice at all for a Hitting Coach).....:devilwink:


...^^^ this !...I started to bring up the same question.

...hitting coaches, on occasion, can help a batter by offering advice and/or working on mechanics, etc., but ultimately, it's up to the BATTER to take the advice and implement it once the game begins. Teams fire coaches only because they cannot fire players.
...Hitting coaches are not makers or breakers, because if they were, teams would be lining up to offer them huge contracts every off season. There's a reason why hitting coaches average making less than 1/10th of what players average.
 
To the OP Thread: He instructs and can talk too...? Wow...!!! :blahblah:

I don't want to compare apples with oranges, but I'm sure as Hell going to anyway......:trampoline:

If Pentland was so damned good, then why did the Bums off him for McGwire (who IMO would not be my choice at all for aHittingCoach).....:devilwink:


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The main point of my post (Pentland) was the possibility of what Gregorius may become as their SS.
Pentland happens to be the current batting coach and I see no reason to ridicule or belittle him for offering HIS OPINION.
We can can go back and forth on whether or not the Yankees were "wrong" in replacing Long - some of us may believe it doesn't matter one way or another, some of us may feel its just business as usual when a team (Yankees) chooses to replace a couple of coaches for THEIR reasons. Last time I checked, the Yankees didn't violate any contract or labor union agreement.

The new batting coach chose to comment on a young player who can/may become one of their better young players for years to come and some of you had nothing better to offer.
 
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^^^Cashman and the Yanx obviously saw the same possibility well before Pentland's sphincter tightening insight, otherwise they would not have acquired Gregorius.
 
To the OP Thread: He instructs and can talk too...? Wow...!!! :blahblah:

I don't want to compare apples with oranges, but I'm sure as Hell going to anyway......:trampoline:

If Pentland was so damned good, then why did the Bums off him for McGwire (who IMO would not be my choice at all for aHittingCoach).....:devilwink:


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The main point of my post (Pentland) was the possibility of what Gregotius may become as their SS.
Pentland happens to be the current batting coach and I see no reason to ridicule or belittle him for offering HIS OPINION.
1-We can can go back and forth on whether or not the Yankees were "wrong" in replacing Long - some of us may believe it doesn't matter one way or another, some of us may feel its just business as usual when a team (Yankees) chooses to replace a couple of coaches for THEIR reasons. Last time I checked, the Yankees didn't violate any contract or labor union agreement.

2-The new batting coach chose to comment on a young player who can/may become one of their better young players for years to come and some of you had nothing better to offer.

1- I doubt many here would disagree, we burned that debate down, beat it to death....with no intentions to keep hashing out the same old discussion.

2- How could I or others here offer any insight? None of us have been privy to on the field insight of the kid, to say shit from shinola to him, or for him, or even His Future.....~~!!!
 
I'll reserve judgement until I start to see Teixeira hitting against the shift on a regular basis.
 
I'll reserve judgement until I start to see Teixeira hitting against the shift on a regular basis.


That's it? Tex needs to consistently hit against the shift?
I'm kinda leaning towards something along the lines of J.R. Murphy and Gregarious crediting the batting coach with helping them along to very respectable BAs and OBPs and also seeing Tex go against the shift would be very nice.
 
Maybe Refsnyder or Pirela will hit it off with the batting coach?
lol

Make the kids feel comfortable and more confident?
Who knows, crazier things have happened.
 
Ah nice to see the devil doing his good work in a batting coach thread.

You can only roll with the same coaches/advisers/consultants for so long (pardon the pun). I don't care what the organization is. You don't trash mgmt or employees when you still have the opportunity to alter the consultant class. Some of you don't agree with this philosophy, but you would indeed be in the minority in corporate America.

They don't fire employees they get traded away. You either stick with you mgmt structure or you don't. The Steins felt Joe and Brian were the right people for the job at hand. Thus the shaking up the coaching staff. Beyond looking at the personnel changes, you also need to think about impact of all these coaches and players trying to figure out the dynamics at play. Girardi is the big winner, the full focus and mantle of leadership is on him now. Its going to be interesting to see how this group develops.
 
...lol, yeah, CEOs, CFOs, GMs, etc., never get fired for doing a poor job. Funny that you claim that people who disagree with your stance "would be in the minority", but you've also said on numerous occasions that you're used to being in the minority....how's that work?


...so you think Cashman really merited a new contract?...yes or no?

...do you really think Long was the reason the offense sucked last year?...yes or no?
 
...per usual, I call 'em as I see 'em.

...and sorry, but not firing Cashman, and instead giving him a pat on the back by giving him a new contract, while at the same time pointing a finger at Long and Thompson is a joke...and spinning it any other way is also a joke.
 
...lol, yeah, CEOs, CFOs, GMs, etc., never get fired for doing a poor job. Funny that you claim that people who disagree with your stance "would be in the minority", but you've also said on numerous occasions that you're used to being in the minority....how's that work?


...so you think Cashman really merited a new contract?...yes or no?

...do you really think Long was the reason the offense sucked last year?...yes or no?

Oh I'm not in the minority when it comes to corporate processes in general, I'm usually in the minority when changing/shaking things up as the initiator, but the rest fall in line and my approach becomes the majority.

I never said sr. Mgmt doesn't get canned, they do but that's <1% of the time when you consider all the other levels of " restructuring" that takes place.

Do I think Cashman merited a new contract...I don't have enough information, but the Steins do and they did. For all you know, Cash is on record saying...OK we have a chance to sign Tex, ARod, etc.....but stats predict they will suck on the back end 3 years.....the core 4 can't play forever....here is my plan for rebuilding 2013-2017. Steins could say something like, OK but no losing seasons...measure progress, etc. There are high level things going on that fans will never know about. Based on the big biz moves George's kids have made, they aren't incompetent.

No Long isn't to blame...he either contributes to success or not. But consultants have a shelf life, at some point their message gets lost, loses impact and its time to make a change.

I'm just trying to explain to you that there are other ways to look at these situations.
 
...what?...you "don't have enough information" to have an opinion as to whether Cash merited a new contract or not?....seriously?...nice dodge.

...do you seriously think that Cash has "contributed to success or not"?...yes or no? (I'm sure you'll dodge this question as well.)

...your "1%" statement is total BS too...exaggerate much?...don't know where you get this shit from...yes I do, you make it up and assume people will buy what you're selling.
 
Ah nice to see the devil doing his good work in a batting coach thread.

You can only roll with the same coaches/advisers/consultants for so long (pardon the pun). I don't care what the organization is. You don't trash mgmt or employees when you still have the opportunity to alter the consultant class. Some of you don't agree with this philosophy, but you would indeed be in the minority in corporate America.

They don't fire employees they get traded away. You either stick with you mgmt structure or you don't.
The Steins felt Joe and Brian were the right people for the job at hand. Thus the shaking up the coaching staff. Beyond looking at the personnel changes, you also need to think about impact of all these coaches and players trying to figure out the dynamics at play. Girardi is the big winner, the full focus and mantle of leadership is on him now. Its going to be interesting to see how this group develops.


As we all reserve the right to agree to disagree. I don't really doubt but 1 or 2 words you said Tom, all good input.

Yet, flipping this coin, like Harvey Dent, I see: "One who believes the majority conventional thought, often fall in time, due to a lack of a minority paradigm shift". People on the average evade, and despise paradigm shifts in business. Why because they fear what they cannot comprehend. so no, the majority is not always correct, in fact in more times than not, the majority is lacking tremendously in many areas of thought, execution, or instruction and procedure...especially when it comes to redefining a businesses project/program plan, when its imperative to bring in people who can and do specialize in thinking outside the box.

In MLB sure some do indeed get fired, never to find their way back to even a Minor Lg job. Alot of those guys you will see as analysts or play by play TV announcers; ie: Buck Martinez for one of several. No, its not the majority, as you said, those get relocated; to new teams, as you said.

As for Martinez, the Jays were desperate in hiring him, and were just in firing him. The TV stations, are pitiful for hiring Buck, as much as some MLB games, ie Play Station, et al. I wanted to puke everytime I played a MLB PS game, with Buck as the commentator. Thank God I could shut the sound off....

PS: I wouldn't consider a player or coach, Mgr. going into the TV business as being relocated. Due to the fact, they are not on the Baseball Field, giving instruction, advice, or having any input into the games outcome.....just saying I agree with 90% of what you said Tom.
 
Oh I'm not in the minority when it comes to corporate processes in general, I'm usually in the minority when changing/shaking things up as the initiator, but the rest fall in line and my approach becomes the majority.

I never said sr. Mgmt doesn't get canned, they do but that's <1% of the time when you consider all the other levels of " restructuring" that takes place.

Do I think Cashman merited a new contract...I don't have enough information, but the Steins do and they did. For all you know, Cash is on record saying...OK we have a chance to sign Tex, ARod, etc.....but stats predict they will suck on the back end 3 years.....the core 4 can't play forever....here is my plan for rebuilding 2013-2017. Steins could say something like, OK but no losing seasons...measure progress, etc. There are high level things going on that fans will never know about. Based on the big biz moves George's kids have made, they aren't incompetent.

No Long isn't to blame...he either contributes to success or not. But consultants have a shelf life, at some point their message gets lost, loses impact and its time to make a change.

I'm just trying to explain to you that there are other ways to look at these situations.


I did not see this post, when I wrote the one above. IN that case, never mind, most of my reply.

I'd say not <1%, I'd say more like 10% to 25% IMO, would be a more accurate number, yet I don't have the stats to prove or disprove either point, so that makes this all pretty redundant.

I for 1 of several would say: Cashman did not deserve to receive a new contract, and I definitely do NOT like the way the Stein Kidz are handling this storied epic franchise. I believe they're bringing dishonor to the greatest franchise in sports....!

I get the shelf life, and would add, LUI, "Limited Usage Items", so lets do some depot maintenance....LOL...!

And yes, none of us are privy to what happens in the clubhouse or Mahogany Row Chambers, behind those gold plated doors..... :smiley-kisa: :shitstorm::smiley-kisa::emotions:
 
When you calculate the total number of mid managers canned doing George vs the times the board flushes sr mgmt....in my experiences its <1%.

Top down rules gentlemen.
 
When you calculate the total number of mid managers canned doing George vs the times the board flushes sr mgmt....in my experiences its <1%.

Top down rules gentlemen.
Why just mid Managers Tote? What about other Admin's? even coaches, GM's, Mgr's. et al. Except of course the Peanuts tosser, and the Popcorn popper?:emotions: Or would that be EEO/wrongful termination?:rolleyes2:
 
When you calculate the total number of mid managers canned doing George vs the times the board flushes sr mgmt....in my experiences its <1%.

Top down rules gentlemen.


Didn't you use to play Cliff on Cheers?
 
When you calculate the total number of mid managers canned doing George vs the times the board flushes sr mgmt....in my experiences its <1%.

Top down rules gentlemen.


...lol...so now batting coaches are "mid management"?...news to me.


...and in your "experiences" do you have "coaches" in your industry?




...wow, just wow.
 
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