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Hoopguru said:
I think Joe would do better than Bernie as I don't see the heartland and south totally sold on Democratic socialism.
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I was speaking of the primary, not the general (maybe you were too, I don't know).

barfo
 
e_blazer said:
Bernie would be 79 and Biden pushing 78 on election day. How about somebody who's not past the typical life expectancy for a male in the US (76).
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Pete Buttigieg is still in his 30s. So far I like what I see.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I don't think Shultz is correct about much of anything. He's just trying to justify his ego trip.

Biden is (like him or not) a very moderate, establishment guy. Not at all a radical. Right now Biden is on top of the polls.
Doesn't that suggest that maybe Schultz is full of shiltz?

barfo
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I think the word you're looking for is Schlitz.
 
e_blazer said:
Bernie would be 79 and Biden pushing 78 on election day. How about somebody who's not past the typical life expectancy for a male in the US (76).
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76? Gasp. I hope to live well past that and I've got multiple serious medical problems. I'm going to predict that Biden lives into his 90s.
 
riverman said:
All of these parties need to start running some young, qualified candidates without the baggage DC has been mucked up in for decades. Hopefully someone who is energetic and needs a job. Let the Trumps, Bernies and Biden's go play golf and do the talk show circuit..that's right...blow it up, start from scratch..maybe elect someone unmarried for a change...that would be radical in itself...I'm single, I can play around all I want! Wouldn't that change the spin a bit? Yeah...let's start over and build something to be proud of! Make America have common sense again!
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You've gotta look at reality. Reality is that not only is Biden the most likely to beat Trump, he is also ahead of his Democratic competitors right now and in the foreseeable future.
I say, let's get behind the most likely winner early.
 
Lanny said:
Yeah, I like Joe. Partially, I like him because he shore up our national debt while investing in infrastructure. Infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, can't stress that too much. Get people doing an honest day's work.
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I feel like they had the chance. Remember almost $1B in infrastructure “shovel-ready jobs?” Not saying its Obama/Biden’s fault (they have people who should be running those programs) but the decision and implementation were pretty disastrous for the economy then and infrastructure now.
 
Lanny said:
Yeah, I like Joe. Partially, I like him because he shore up our national debt while investing in infrastructure. Infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, can't stress that too much. Get people doing an honest day's work.
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I just had to chime in on this point. I am currently on an extended road trip and I am disgusted with the condition of the interstates, especially west of the Mississippi. My car hates me and I can’t believe the trucking industry isn’t up in arms. It’s disheartening....and dangerous. American infrastructure should be one of our highest priorities.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I just had to chime in on this point. I am currently on an extended road trip and I am disgusted with the condition of the interstates, especially west of the Mississippi. My car hates me and I can’t believe the trucking industry isn’t up in arms. It’s disheartening....and dangerous. American infrastructure should be one of our highest priorities.
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Grew up on the Missouri River Valley on the west coast of Iowa....that part of the country was brutally slammed by bizzards and flooding all winter this year...I'm sure it didn't help but that part of the country is about a mile below sea level and really prone to natural disasters...twisters, floods, blizzards...and underpopulated..the Missouri and Mississippi have needed flood walls forever but you're absolutely right....the country is in dire need of infrastructure reconstruction....the power grid is where I'd start..it's really in need of upgrade
 
MarAzul said:
The unemployment rate is 4.0% now. I can't remember it every being this low but for during WWII.
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Here's the thing...when the UE #'s were announced during Obamas administration, the argument was that the REAL unemployment #'s were significantly worse. One of the loudest naysayers was the Orange Tangerine himself, saying it was closer to 30-40% real unemployment.

So this begs the question, which is it?
 
julius said:
Here's the thing...when the UE #'s were announced during Obamas administration, the argument was that the REAL unemployment #'s were significantly worse. One of the loudest naysayers was the Orange Tangerine himself, saying it was closer to 30-40% real unemployment.

So this begs the question, which is it?
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You tell me!?

The reason people say it was really worse was because the Labor participation rate was also going down and that makes sense.
But now the Labor participation rate is going up, not by much but up. And wages are going up to compete for labor. So it would seem that nearly everyone that wants a job, is getting a job. My guess is this is the real UE and those that aren't working, don't want to or can not.

Thus the reason for pointing out the UE in response to putting people to work in construction jobs... What people?
 
MarAzul said:
Huh?
Are you advocating that we build walls for this area, so that they can live in the flood plains?
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common sense...those two rivers spill over the banks so often and cause massive destruction..they need levies that would minimize that damage..the flood plains are the entire Midwest so...let's stick to the two main rivers there to start...
 
riverman said:
common sense
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Well sir, not common sense to me. A major problem with keeping high water from expanding in area, which is a buffer, it make for even higher water and flow velocity and more erosion. Higher waters make for more dangerous disaster to come. And it will come. Perhaps more dams could be useful, but that isn't what you said.
 
MarAzul said:
Well sir, not common sense to me. A major problem with keeping high water from expanding in area, which is a buffer, it make for even higher water and flow velocity and more erosion. Higher waters make for more dangerous disaster to come. And it will come. Perhaps more dams could be useful, but that isn't what you said.
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works in Holland..and the ocean is a bit more powerful than the rivers...
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MarAzul said:
Well sir, not common sense to me. A major problem with keeping high water from expanding in area, which is a buffer, it make for even higher water and flow velocity and more erosion. Higher waters make for more dangerous disaster to come. And it will come. Perhaps more dams could be useful, but that isn't what you said.
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I think we've seen from the Dakotas to New Orleans how our erosion barriers are failing as it is...it can be channeled even to produce power as in a dam but currently...communities out on the river with sandbags for weeks on end is what we have
 
riverman said:
I think we've seen from the Dakotas to New Orleans how our erosion barriers are failing as it is...it can be channeled even to produce power as in a dam but currently...communities out on the river with sandbags for weeks on end is what we have
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I think we should be building more dams, a good way to prep for climate change. Higher levies,
no. Dams to retain water can replace Glaciers in function as well as gen power. Levies may cause as many problems as they fix. No need to build below the high water mark.

New Orleans is sinking into the friggin river. Raising river levels with more higher levies up stream will make New Orleans even worse when the high water reaches there.
 
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MarAzul said:
I think we should be building more dams, a good way to prep for climate change. Higher levies, no.
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There are underground lakes all throughout the Midwest...it's why they don't have to irrigate Iowa corn fields..it gets saturated really quickly...canals would help, dams would help in places...levies would protect townships bordering the rivers..infrastructure...they need help along those two rivers and always have
 
BrianFromWA said:
I feel like they had the chance. Remember almost $1B in infrastructure “shovel-ready jobs?” Not saying its Obama/Biden’s fault (they have people who should be running those programs) but the decision and implementation were pretty disastrous for the economy then and infrastructure now.
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$1 Billion is a drop in the bucket.
 
dviss1 said:
We'll see when Bernie wins the primary.

There are conservatives in this very forum that would've voted for him over trump.

He would've wiped the floor with that asshat.
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I was going to vote for Bernie, but he sold out to the deep state and surrendered when they rigged the primary.

I think he lost most of his supporters then. Now he’s a proven puppet who quadrupled his personal wealth with the last campaign, still spouting socialism in spite of a booming capitalist economy that is benefiting all Americans.

Bernie’s moment passed long ago.
 
MARIS61 said:
I was going to vote for Bernie, but he sold out to the deep state and surrendered when they rigged the primary.

I think he lost most of his supporters then. Now he’s a proven puppet who quadrupled his personal wealth with the last campaign, still spouting socialism in spite of a booming capitalist economy that is benefiting all Americans.

Bernie’s moment passed long ago.
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Why hell, what do you think Trump did? He's violated the emoluments clause egregiously. He only cares about himself and his wallet.

Did you know that on one of his golf courses he keeps 8 goats so he can claim a tax break as an agricultural enterprise?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kather...ide-his-herd-of-goats-yes-goats/#25632a2f152a

How about his Trump Foundation that was never even a charity? In fact, it appears that he used it for money laundering and hiding his income.

He's a low down slime ball.

While we're at it, I'm so glad that his bone spurs have magically gone away and no longer prevent him from serving in the military, which he claims to do because he salutes his AF1 guards as if he were some kind of supreme General.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I just had to chime in on this point. I am currently on an extended road trip and I am disgusted with the condition of the interstates, especially west of the Mississippi. My car hates me and I can’t believe the trucking industry isn’t up in arms. It’s disheartening....and dangerous. American infrastructure should be one of our highest priorities.
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The interstates in NV are great. I average about 80mph whenever I head to california. They get worse in California but then the traffic really slows you down anyway.
 
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